250 Box Challenge

12:16 AM, Wednesday March 11th 2020

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I'm really hoping you can help me with this. But I'm having an issue with Drawabox website. I'm unable to submit the lesson 2 homework. When I do I get this message. "You may only move onto a lesson once the previous one has been given an official critique and marked complete". "You have not completed all of the prerequisites for this lesson". So I'm confused b/c I already got a critique and it was marked as passed for Lesson 1.  The only other thing I was to complete was the 250 box challenge. So I thought I would try to submit it and see if that fixes the issue. Though I was under the impression you only need to do the 250 box challenge not submit it. I even googled that exact question when I finished the challenge. To find out what I was supposed to do next. Because the website doesn't tell you to submit the challenge.  Everything I could find pointed to doing the challenge and moving on to lesson 2. So once I finished it I moved on and completed lesson 2. So I really hope you can help me. I really don't want to have to wait 3 weeks before I can move on. Sorry, this is so long. I'm just annoyed if this is the case because I actually searched for that exact question. So something like this didn't happen. On top of which I threw away 1/2 the box's I did. Because we didn't need them. So I had to redo a portion of them. Just to see if this is even the issue. I included a link for both the 250 box challenge and the lesson 2 homework. Sorry again it's just really annoying... you put in the work & time and then this happens. So I' hope you're able to take a look and help. 

Thank You,Ray

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3:43 PM, Wednesday March 11th 2020

I actually mentioned this when I stumbled upon your youtube channel, and saw that you'd started on Lesson 2 without having submitted your work for the 250 box challenge. Near the end of my comment on one of your videos, I said:

One last thing - I noticed that you finished the 250 box challenge a good 7 days ago, but you haven't yet submitted it for a critique. I strongly recommend that you do - you're paying for it after all, and it'll allow you to catch any persistent mistakes that you may not be catching yourself (like continually drawing over your mistakes, for example) before moving onto lesson 2 in earnest.

I suppose I didn't call out that it was necessary to submit it for critique in order to submit your lesson 2 work, though this isn't stated for any of the other lessons either. For future reference, when the critique you receive for a previous lesson points you onto a next step (be it a lesson or a challenge), it is mandatory to complete it and get feedback on it through official channels. Also, if you have any questions at all, you can feel free to contact me directly through patreon or at support@drawabox.com.

Now, due to the way this website system works, you will have to submit your Lesson 2 work separately, but after I finish reviewing your box challenge work here, I will backdate your homework submission to February 29th, which is when you uploaded the video of you completing the challenge. That should allow you to post your work this coming Saturday instead of having to wait two full weeks from today.

With that, let's start on the critique.

So overall, there are a few things that definitely stand out throughout the challenge. Early on, you actually demonstrate a great deal of patience and care in the execution of your lines. You clearly apply the ghosting method patiently and conscientiously, and you're extremely thorough with applying your line extensions. As you progress through the set however, you start to get... impatient.

Your linework gets a little more haphazard, you fall more into the habit of drawing back over mistakes to correct them (something that was identified as an issue back in lesson 1), and your clear focus becomes getting the challenge done rather than getting something of value out of it.

Now, this waxes and wanes - sometimes (probably after approaching it fresh on the following day) you go back to drawing concisely and patiently, but likely as the day progresses you start to lose interest, and your good habits fall by the wayside. You also start to doodle more along the sides as your focus drifts. This is ultimately why we stress the importance of splitting up your time between drawing for the sake of drawing (where we can get out our nervous energy, our desire to explore and experiment) and settling down to follow the instructions of the given exercise to the letter. This also means not grinding away until a task is done, but rather ensuring that the time we put towards it is the time where we are most focused. It means the tasks themselves will take longer to complete (because instead of spending 3, 4, 5 hours a day you might just spend a couple hours on the Drawabox lesson and then spend the rest of the time actually drawing the things that bring you joy - your dog, for example.

This will allow you to focus the time you do spend on the exercises more effectively. You'll be more inclined to approach them patiently, applying the instructions, and avoiding slipping back into bad habits. The way we learn is all about the contexts in which we think of ourselves as training. We can employ all kinds of bad habits while just drawing for the hell of it, and not have it really impact us that negatively - but if we allow those habits to bleed into the time we actually draw with the purpose of learning and improving our skills, then those will be more solidly ingrained.

Having seen your videos, I know that you're extremely serious about this, and that you also have past experience with learning from other resources, and with other methodologies. I also know that you've expressed two somewhat opposing views - that on one hand you approach drawing in a certain way because it is "just the way you are", alongside working your ass off to do things in a more structured, conscientious manner despite that. A lot of students get caught up in phrases like "perfectionist" because they see it as a character trait - something that will be there with them until the end of time. It's this second part that is much more valuable however - it shows that you, at least to an extent, understand that things like perfectionism are a condition from which you and many, many other people, suffer. Perfectionism comes from fear, from an entanglement between the things we draw and how we value ourselves. It is something that most people experience to varying degrees, and that is all the more prevalent among those who bother to look for courses and lessons to help them improve. It is also something we can absolutely overcome.

Now I'm getting way off the rails here, but the key point is this: you've already demonstrated that you have it in you to approach these tasks patiently, with care, applying all of the correct steps, plodding purposefully along the path of improvement and growth. You've also shown a propensity for falling back on old ways of thinking, of wanting desperately to rely on your instincts to get you through when your brain gets too tired to keep up that patience the whole way through. This is entirely normal, but it's important to remember that what we're doing here is training your instincts. If you let yourself fall back on them here and now, then you'll fall back on very little of substance, and they won't hold you up. Instincts are developed through repetition with clearly planned intent. So, when you find yourself slipping back to those instincts, stop. Take a step back, give yourself a break and let yourself do something else - be it drawing other things for enjoyment, or just putting the pen down and doing something unrelated for a while. You can come back later - either later in the day, or the next day, fresh and ready to go back to doing the exercise exactly as the instructions state.

Now, stepping back to the actual work you've done for this challenge, there are a few more specific pieces of critique I want to offer:

  • When drawing a box, and more specifically drawing one line as part of a box, students will often try and figure out which other lines in that box they need to think about, what they need to keep in mind as they draw this next mark. Often they'll think about the lines that share a corner, or the lines that share a plane, and try to build out from there. Both of these are incorrect - instead, remember that the box is made up of three sets of four parallel lines. Whenever drawing a line, you must think about the other lines the one you're drawing run parallel to. Anything else is a distraction - your primary focus should always be about how your new line is going to be oriented in order to converge towards the same vanishing point as the other three (even if not all of those other three have been drawn thus far, think about all three anyway).

  • To the point above, it's really easy to get overly focused on the back corner, because that's where we tend to see things going wrong. This is simply because it's usually the last corner we draw, and so all the inconsistencies from estimating throughout the construction process have been accumulating, and this is where they actually show up. This back corner is just a symptom. Treating the symptom by focusing on that back corner won't solve the problem. Instead, you treat the cause, which is the sets of parallel lines not quite converging consistently to their shared vanishing points.

  • Furthermore, as shown here, while you're thinking about how those lines converge to their VP, think about the angles between them as they leave it. You'll often find that the middle two lines will actually have a pretty small angle between them - combine this with the vanishing point being quite far away and you can end up with lines that run virtually parallel to one another because they're so close together. There are little freebies like this that we can find to help make our lives easier when estimating our convergences.

  • A common problem we'll see when applying the line extensions is where our lines converge in pairs, rather than all four converging to the same shared point. This is just another example of where we're thinking of lines that share a plane instead of thinking of all four at the same time.

  • How we lay out our pages is important. If we do so in a cluttered, overlapping, haphazard fashion, then we encourage our brain to think in a cluttered fashion. If we lay them out more evenly, with just a few boxes per page and plenty of space between to do our line extensions, we can encourage ourselves to be more patient and conscientious. To help provide more resources for students, I've been having my girlfriend upload videos of her doing the exercises. She used the 250 box challenge as a backdrop for doing pen reviews, so you can see in any of those pen review videos how her pages were laid out. This matter of layout applies across the board, to future lessons as well. Drawing big will also help you engage your brain's spatial reasoning skills, as well as encouraging you to use your whole arm when drawing, whereas drawing smaller in a more cramped space will have the opposite effect.

Overall, I do think you're moving in the right direction, but you need to slow yourself down. You're not in a race, and the more you space out your time and allow yourself to complete the tasks when you are in your best frame of mind, the more effective the lessons and exercises will be in rewiring how you think and perceive these kinds of things.

I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete. I'll go ahead and backdate this submission as promised to February 29th, so you'll be able to submit your Lesson 2 work on Saturday. In the mean time, I recommend you go back over the Lesson 2 work you'll be submitting and think about how the critique I've mentioned here relates. If you feel there are sections you may have rushed through, then you have the next few days to perhaps take another swing to ensure that what you're sending me is done with patience and care. It definitely doesn't have to be perfect, but it's important that you take the time to apply the instructions as they're written, as free from distraction and rushing as you can manage.

Next Steps:

Submit Lesson 2 on March 14th.

This critique marks this lesson as complete.
2:11 AM, Thursday March 12th 2020

Thank You for getting back to me. But I want to address a few things. I did go back and look & you did leave that in a comment. My apologizes I honestly didn't see it. Now there is something I want to address. Something you said that cut me deep, insulted and belittled the efforts I have put forth. You said that I rushed and hurried through. I got tired and would fall back on old habits to get me through. Along with some other things. This couldn't be further from the truth. I have done my best on every assignment to the best of my ability. I have given 100% every time. Let's take the 250 box exercise. Most of those boxes were done in the efforts to learn something. Not to just make a pretty box. I'm unable to learn from reading. I have to see it and do it to understand or I can't do it. This is the exact reason I read the website out loud on my videos. So I can watch the videos back and then learn.  But as I said I learned a lot. I learned how the lines will behave in most positions/ directions. Which helped me a great deal. Now I just need to get the line to go where I want. I draw in multi-direction not to be cocky or arrogant. But b/c I was teaching myself. You said I've had other training. I haven't had any training. I've been trying to learn on my own for a very long time. So years ago it's all I knew so that's what I did. I practiced drawing lines in every possible way for years when I wasn't in a hospital etc... I even talked about that in one of my vids where I say I think drawing in one direction for a beginner is a better idea. Don't copy what I am doing. I've put years into learning to draw a line in every direction. So I still practice in multi directions. Except for when I'm doing homework assignments. You said you would prefer us not to, so I try not to. But honestly, sometimes it happens. But I do my best to draw in one direction. But that's not the point, the point is I didn't think I was turning in the challenge. So I used it to solely learn as much as I could. All while drawing 250 boxes. Not to just draw 250 boxes if that makes sense. Now I will admit I don't use the ghosting method as much as I should. It's something I've done before drawabox. I use the ghosting method with everything but lines. Ghosting lines is new & it's something I'm working on and it's one of the main reasons I took the course. So I learn to stop and think. Up until now, I would just draw something, then came back to it, fix what was wrong/add, and repeat. I guess you can say I like to think on the page. But trying to break this has been very hard. So I've been trying to learn to think it through before, and more so I just want to learn. 

You also said "You also start to doodle more along the sides as your focus drifts" and"encouraging you to use your whole arm when drawing, whereas drawing smaller in a more cramped space will have the opposite effect". I've never doodled on my homework pages. Like I said before I thought I was done with the paper so I reused them, Paper doesn't go to waste here. For the same reason, I stretch paper out and draw smaller. is because it's expensive. when you're on disability, can't afford food for a portion of the month, and are on the brink of being homeless. Paper is very expensive at least for me. As far as not using the whole arm. I use my whole arm for all of them except for super small detail stuff. 

I can't express how bad I want to learn. How much I want this and to say I would rush and speed through. After giving it everything I have. Don't misunderstand I'm not saying I'm perfect, far from it. I know I mess up and when I do please call me out on it. That way I can learn. I learned awhile back failure is a great thing. It's when you are failing you are learning the most. But this is so far off the mark. When I give it everything I have, taken my time, and tried to learn as much as I absolutely can. For example the textures homework or the intersections homework. They were very hard for me (never done textures before so it was hard to do it without outlining something. The intersection b/c I don't turn the page to draw boxes. so when I had to turn the page so I could draw in one direction only. It makes see the 3d of the box very hard for me), I spent days on them & there were several times I wanted to throw them out and start over. But I kept going and In the end, I was proud of myself. I give the same amount of effort to everything I do. Then to only have someone step on that effort just hurts.

2:50 PM, Thursday March 12th 2020

I don't mean to insult or belittle you, or your efforts. I know that every one of my students, you included, has signed up to put forward an incredible amount of work towards learning how to draw, and the fact that they reach even the end of Lesson 1 in order to be able to submit that work (let alone the immense task of completing the 250 box challenge) shows that in spades. I am not for one second saying that you're not working hard.

That said, my critiques are always based entirely on what the work tells me. It's entirely possible to work extremely hard, but to direct that effort in less efficient directions - you will certainly learn and gain from the process, but there may be things you'd miss out on all the same.

Rushing is not some character flaw. It does not make you a bad or unworthy student. It is a natural thing all people do. Having critiqued the work of over a thousand students over the last five years, it is one of the most common things I see, and never does it suggest anything negative about the student themselves. It simply means they're not fully understanding how to approach this course. There is nothing wrong with that, but it is something that we must correct - and the only way to correct it is to point it out.

As an example, compare the linework on this page to this one.

On the first of those two, every line was executed with immense care and precision, and it shows. The linese are straight and clean, and even the hatching lines, while not fully stretching all the way across the plane from edge to edge, they are still very neatly and tidily drawn, showing moment of planning and forethought before each and every stroke. Sure, there are mistakes in accuracy, but you generally don't slip into the habit of correcting your mistakes either. You analyze them after the fact, identify the trends and patterns, and move on. You follow the instructions to the letter.

The second one however shows linework that is at times much more haphazard. The lines aren't always entirely straight, your hatching lines are drawn much more quickly (resulting in more lines floating in the middle of the gaps instead of stretching from edge to edge, and they often appear more as a sort of checkmark-stroke with a hook on one end), and you're far more eager to correct mistakes wherever they occur, indulging in a habit that will bite you in the future.

Furthermore, the page itself includes doodles - that is, anything that is not a part of the exercise. This page has a couple loose spheres, but later pages like this one includes other things as well. Now obviously drawing primitive forms is an attempt at further exploring space and is no great crime, but it does come back to a point I raised in Lesson 0, in the section on how to use this course:

Your only focus should be on following the instructions, as they are written, to the best of your current ability. The purpose and goal of every exercise is presented in those instructions, so take them to heart. The goal of a given exercise may not be what you assume, so read and follow those instructions carefully and avoid taking liberties with them.

This is critically important. There is ample opportunity to take what you've learned from these lessons and experiment with them to your heart's content, but I cannot stress enough that if you take liberties with these instructions, you are doing so based on a currently limited understanding of how to go about learning this skill. Drawabox sure as hell isn't the only path one can take, but mixing-and-matching approaches when you don't yet have a full grasp of why a course might choose one way of doing something over another will lead you to missing out on important concepts.

I understand that you have no intention to come off as 'cocky' or 'arrogant' in your choice to draw your lines from many different angles, and how one comes off in doing so is not what matters, nor their intent. What matters is that you're setting up a massive hurdle where there need not be one, and are doing so in every exercise. Where the 250 box challenge focuses on improving your understanding of how to estimate convergences towards a shared vanishing point, you're now splitting your effort between that and drawing straight lines.

In this course, each exercise has a specific purpose, and that is what you should be focusing on. Making it more complex and adding your own challenges to it will only make the exercise less effective at doing its job.

As I said in my initial critique, it is clear that you are extremely serious about learning how to draw, and that was never in question. You are however deviating from the instructions, and as stated at the beginning of the course, this is something I have to correct. In interest of doing that, I urge that you reread my initial critique and try to look past what you may feel as being personal attacks and insults, and read them as what they are: an analysis of the process you've employed in completing the exercises, and what you are required to alter and change as a part of this highly specific, structured course. Drawabox may seem controlling and overbearing in forcing you to do things a certain way, but it is up to you to either trust that the instructions are worth following, or not.

Above all else, when it comes to critiques in general, always remember that you are not the work you produce. You are valuable and important regardless of what you are capable of at this moment - being less or more skillfull will not change that. And so, a critique of your work is never a personal assault on who you are as a person, nor the hard work you put into your passions. While heeding feedback like this can help you make better use of the many hours you invest, the fact that you invested that time and sweat can never, and will never, be taken away from you.

8:12 PM, Thursday March 12th 2020

I don't want to keep going back and forth with this and I'm sure you don't either. But I want to make something clear. After reading this it makes me realize we're talking about 2 different things. This image here that you showed https://imgur.com/02ZRmkJ it was done 3 days ago on 3/9. I threw away 1/2 the boxes because I didn't know we need to turn them in. So I had to redo a big portion of them. The other 2 images  https://imgur.com/7BmXyXR & https://imgur.com/nMrdsIT . Those were done at the very beginning of the challenge. All of them are from the beginning except for the ones marked with a 3/9 date or a 3/10 date. Why does that matter? It matters because at the beginning of this challenge my focus was not on drawing nice solid boxes. After watching my videos 3 times & yours. I didn't understand what exactly you wanted me to do. So I put my focus on drawing boxes and breaking them down. Turning them in space, flipping them, moving the VP's close, then far away, moving only one side etc. Then I would use a ruler to learn what each line does and why. Then I compared it to other boxes to see how they change to one another etc. My goal wasn't to draw a sold confidant box. It was to draw a box, break it down, and learn as much as I could learn on my own. Then at about 1/2 through after I learn what I could on my own. I used what I learn to draw solid boxes. You could of say anything else and I would of except it. I was lazy in drawing the 1st 1/2 of my boxes. I should have focused on drawing them solid and learning what I could at the same time. Not splitting up my focus on one thing or another. Ok fair enough. But to say I rushed. This couldn't be further from the truth. I gave it my all and I put my focus where I could to learn as much as I could at the time. But telling me I rushed is equal to telling me I don't care. IMO If you rush through something clearly it's not as important to you as you think it is. Because if it where you would've taken your time. So saying I rushed is the worst thing you could say those words truly cut me deep. Any rate I'm not gonna keep beating this thing. I'm over it and moving on. In the future please continue to hold my feet to the fire and tell me when I doing it wrong. But also understand I will never rush or do something to just get it done with. I will definitely screw up and get things wrong. But I will never rush.  Oh and please don't misunderstand me. I appreciate you and what you're doing. and I'm actually very grateful. Otherwise, I wouldn't promote drawabox and push other students who have asked me this way. 

peace love and chicken grease  

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