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Uncomfortable in the post "Weekly Themed Challenges on Discord!"

2017-12-02 00:18

Yeah but what class would that be?

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-12-01 20:01

Better. Watch your leg segments though - for some of them you're not drawing them to completion, you're stopping them where they get hidden by other forms, so they don't end up retaining enough solidity.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-30 21:41

Pretty well done! You're spot on with your observation - we're more focused on being in the ballpark of correct, rather than fussing over perfection. If it looks good, it is good.

Also, yes. Boxes are the devil. But they're your devil.

I do have a couple tips:

Anyway, I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete. Keep up the good work!

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-30 21:36

Fantastic work! Your boxes feel very consistent and solid, and you've clearly developed a strong grasp of 3D space already. At this point, you may find that your boxes will plateau, because your ability to identify mistakes will be overshadowed by your grasp of space. Basically, you'll still be making teeny tiny errors, but you won't be able to catch them, so there will be limited improvement beyond that point.

The way to handle this is to apply the correction method described in the challenge page notes near the beginning, which involves extending each line towards its implied vanishing point. It's best to do this upon the completion of each page of boxes, though since you're already done, it's still valuable to pick maybe your last page and apply it there. Based on the convergence of the extended lines, you'll be able to pick up on oddities where some lines are not playing along with the others.

Anyway, again - great work. I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-30 21:21

Nice work completing the challenge. I can definitely see that your general sense of 3D space improved over the set, though as you mentioned, you could have done a little better applying that extension method through the entire set instead of just giving up on it.

The issue you encountered with the 'flipped' lines is pretty common - you can fill in one of the forward-facing faces with some tight hatching lines to serve as a visual cue and clarify which side is which.

In the future when you do apply the line extension method, I want to stress how important it is to extend all the lines - that is, all four for each set (currently you seemed to be doing only three in some cases), and all three sets. Remember that the point is to extend them towards their implied vanishing point, so you can see how they converge, and if that convergence is consistent or if they're meeting at many different points.

I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete, so go ahead and move onto lesson 2. More boxes will always help, so you can always mix those into your warmups.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Cylinder Challenge"

2017-11-29 00:58

Very nice work! For all intents and purposes, you're doing fine. The wonkiness is normal at this stage, you're about where I'd expect you to be. If you want more advice, I'd point you to this video. It's more advanced and is actually included in lesson 7, so I wouldn't necessarily recommend digging too deeply into it right now, but it does explain the mechanics of building a circle/square in 3D space.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 5: Drawing Animals"

2017-11-29 00:45

So you are definitely improving, but there are a few things:

Here are some additional notes. Like I said, you are improving, but I want to see another four pages. Take your time, and always spend most of your time observing rather than drawing.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-29 00:10

The vast majority of this is really, really well done. The arrows flow nicely through space, your dissections have a lot of great experimentation going on with a large variety of textures, your form intersections demonstrate a solid grasp of 3D space and your organic intersections show that you understand how those forms would interact with one anothers' volumes.

The only area that worries me is your organic forms with contour curves, as they are very clearly not wrapping around the forms all that well. Now, I think that you may have figured that stuff out by the time you reached the organic intersections, but I still want to point you to these notes. Try applying the 'overshooting' method described there to help bridge the difference between drawing a full ellipse and drawing just a partial curve.

Because you demonstrate a good grasp of that material in the organic intersections exercise, and everything else is very solid, I'm going to go ahead and mark this lesson as complete. Feel free to move onto the next one.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-11-28 22:56

Here you go.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-28 22:33

Nope, those are fine. All solid attempts. Go ahead and move onto the 250 box challenge.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-11-28 22:30

You've got a lot of nice constructions going on. I like the house fly a lot, the ants and cricket are decently done, and so on - but I'm going to use that one extra page to hammer home a few important points that you seem to have forgotten about in that particular page.

Take a look at these notes. Basically, always make sure you're working from simple to complex, and always draw through all of your forms. We're drawing complete forms, not letting them come to a stop where they get blocked by something else. I do think that the texture/detail in that praying mantis was probably a big distraction for you, and you were probably preoccupied with that when you should have been thinking more about construction. For that reason, it can help quite a bit to just do drawings where you don't even intend to put any texture in later on, as then you're left with nothing but construction to think about.

Anyway, overall you're still doing well, so keep those points in mind and feel free to move onto the next lesson.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-27 03:47

Here you go. I threw a few tips in there and also demonstrated how I'd make one of your organic intersections better.

I'd like you to do two pages of organic forms and one more page of organic intersections. You reaaally still aren't taking your time with each one. A lot of your lines are stiff and awkward, and you're not really leveraging your line weight (but you are putting down super heavy shadows which is fine if you have the additional line weight to kind of help bridge the gap).

You're not that far off, I just think you're rushing needlessly, like you're focusing more on quantity over quality. Both are important, and you're only going to learn if you focus on doing your current best for each attempt.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-27 01:22

Looking good! Your lines and ellipses are solid - you're managing to maintain a fair bit of confidence through their execution, which keeps the lines smooth and consistent, and helps you to avoid situations where your ellipses become uneven and loose their elliptical shape.

Just a couple things to mention:

Anyway, I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete. I'd like you to move onto the 250 box challenge next. Be sure to read through all of the notes on the page, especially the tip about drawing through your forms (which I mentioned in regards to your rotated boxes). The bit about correction techniques near the beginning is also important, and should be applied upon the completion of each page of boxes.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 3: Drawing Plants"

2017-11-27 01:14

Nice work! I think you demonstrated a great deal of improvement over the lesson. At first some of your work, especially when it came to the full plant constructions, was a little uncertain, but your confidence increased over the course of the set, and with it the quality and solidity of your constructions improved considerably. Even when you ventured into more detail and texture, you were still allowing yourself to focus on the underlying forms and ensure they were solid and sturdy before moving onto anything more superfluous.

The only thing that comes to mind worth mentioning is that the fruit on this page was not terribly solid. I mean, it was okay, but I think you would have had better results had you started with two intersecting balls, and then wrapped them up together to create the compound form. This is a pretty classic case of going from very, very simple (where we can maintain greater solidity) and building up to something a little more complex, instead of jumping into the complex form and trying to reinforce the solidity that isn't really there.

Anyway, keep up the good work. I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete, so feel free to move onto the next one.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-27 01:08

Ultimately, a tremor will make things difficult - but while I'm not a doctor or someone who has any sort of a remote understanding of tremors, my experience teaching this material suggests that the tremor primarily makes an existing problem more significant, rather than introducing something new. That is, our hands shake, even without neurological issues.

These exercises are designed to help with that, by teaching students to draw with more confidence, rather than giving their hands the opportunity to shake. We execute our marks quickly, after a hefty dose of preparation and building up muscle memory.

Your lines may never come out entirely smoothly, but this will help them at the very least get smoother, which in turn will help you become more proficient at whatever it is you want to do.

Looking at your work, you're already showing signs that this approach works pretty well for you. Look at your planes exercise - the lines are for the most part pretty fluid and smooth, and there isn't a whole lot of wobbling. Your super imposed lines are a little wobblier, but this may actually be more that you were attempting to draw them a little more slowly, focusing too much on your accuracy rather than on the flow of the lines. I talk about this more [in these notes](Wobbling, Drawing Too Slowly and Carefully).

This comic may also be useful.

You obviously started down the ellipses before properly absorbing the lesson material, so you did a good deal of them without drawing through as instructed. That said, when you did start doing that, they came out much better. Still a bit stiff and wobbly at times, but generally not bad. It's normal for this to improve with time, but just make sure you're applying the ghosting method here, and really everywhere, to every mark you draw.

Jumping ahead to your rough perspective boxes, comparing these to your planes it does look to me like you may not be applying that ghosting method here - or if you are, not with the same level of patience and focus.

Also, after completing this exercise, be sure to go over your rough perspective work as described here to help identify where your estimation of perspective tends to drift.

With your rotated boxes, it was certainly a good attempt, though you did skip some of the instructions (like setting out boxes at the extremities for step 3). You also didn't draw through all of your boxes, which is pretty important as it lets you better grasp how each box sits in 3D space, and how that changes as the forms rotate.

This exercise, along with the organic perspective one are intended to challenge students and to force them into thinking differently about 3D space. There's no expectation of success, and it is meant to be difficult. That said, following the instructions is, of course, important.

I'm surprised you actually did draw through your forms for the organic perspective boxes - I actually purposely neglect to tell students about this approach at this point in regards to this exercise so they can flounder around a bit and better appreciate the difference it tends to make.

If there's one thing I want to tell you, and it's important - don't focus on your disadvantage here. I think you may be a bit preoccupied with it, and it may cause you to be a little sloppy (like skipping or forgetting instructions). It's true that you have an extra challenge to face, and we're not entirely sure how it is going to impact your results. Accepting it is important - but focusing on it will hamstring you further.

I'm going to mark this lesson as complete, but I'd like you to move onto the 250 box challenge next. Be sure to read through the notes carefully. The ones about drawing through your boxes, as well as the correction techniques outlined near the beginning. Apply the correction techniques upon the completion of each page of boxes, rather than after each box or after the whole thing is complete. This way you can learn from your mistakes throughout the full set, but without distracting yourself and breaking your flow.

Oh, one last thing - it seems you have your flair off for this subreddit. I use the flair to track lesson completion and who is and isn't eligible for critiques. It'd be great if you could turn it back on, so I don't mistakenly think you're submitting work for a lesson you shouldn't be.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-27 00:24

Nice work! I'm really glad to see how much attention you paid to the correction phase, and it definitely paid off. Over the course of the set, your understanding of the angles of your lines and how they played together to create solid forms improved a fair bit, and by the end you were much closer to hitting the mark each time.

I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete. Keep up the great work.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-11-27 00:17

No need to apologize for taking your time. Rushing is not a good thing, and each submission is going to take time for me to critique. Better that you give yourself the opportunity to read through my critique carefully, so you can successfully apply everything I've mentioned there.

That said, there's one thing that jumps out at me that I did point out previously that you seem to have missed. It was in the hand-written notes I provided.

Your cast-shadows should not be drawn as one continuous blob, or anything of the sort. If a line's trajectory changes dramatically, then you should be breaking it up into individual drawing movements, not striving to keep them going.

As for other stuff, here are some more notes and observations: https://i.imgur.com/CYPOpsp.png

I do think that you may generally be rushing things a little. Take more time in observing your reference and identifying different forms that sit there. You can even try drawing on top of your references to help figure out what forms exist (doing it digitally, using tracing paper, or printing stuff out and drawing on it) before drawing the object.

Also from the looks of it, your organic forms with contour curves aren't coming out as well as they could. Watch the degrees of your ellipses read these notes if you haven't already, or if you've forgotten. They're used to communicate the orientation of those cross-sections of the form, and this will shift as we move down along a given organic form.

Lastly, use line weight to clarify which forms overlap others. Looking at the page I redlined (or purple lined as the case may be), the insect on the bottom's torso is quite light relative to the legs, so their interaction/overlap is not at all clear. This serves to confuse the viewer.

Ultimately when I say to focus on construction, simplicity is a strong starting point as it allows you to lay down a strong foundation. That does not however mean that this is all construction is. It is a series of phases, on which you build up your forms and break things down to convey all of the major forms and elements that exist in an object.

I'd like to see another four pages of insects. Take your time, and spend most of that time observing your reference rather than drawing. For every second of drawing, there should be nine seconds of observation and study, trying to understand what it is you're looking at before you attempt to reproduce a given form on the page.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-11-26 21:11

You misunderstand somewhat. We need to make sure that we start simple, in order to give our drawings a solid foundation on which we want to build. This is combined with careful observation to identify the nature and proportions of this underlying foundation. Starting simple does not mean ignoring the information that is presented to us, but rather learning to sort through it.

I regularly divide the process of drawing into construction and detail. Detail constitutes the additional touches we may add where we're not overly preoccupied with what those marks tell us about the solid forms that make up the object. Everything else, however, is construction - and it can still convey a great deal of information.

Construction consists of successive passes, building on top of the previous stage to go from a very solid foundation to something that strongly represents whatever it is that we're drawing, while maintaining that solidity throughout. Jumping into the more complex phase of an object immediately will result in that solidity being lost. Now, that doesn't mean that we should just start at the first, simplest phase and just stop.

For example, take a look at your grasshopper heads.

You drew a ball, and more or less stopped. If you look at mine there, I also started with a ball, which I then carved with contour lines to clarify the various planes of the form and built on top of it to capture the segmentation and layering of exoskeleton.

In addition to this, observation is extremely important, and on many occasions you still identify the elements of things but neglect to think about their proportions, how they sit in relation to one another, and so on. We can see from this spider that you didn't actually look all that closely, and were even missing the forms of its pedipalps, among other things. You cannot expect to absorb all of this visual information at once - you MUST continuously observe and study your reference (and rely on other reference to give you information about the parts you may not be able to see), and you must continuously ask yourself questions about how these forms relate to each other.

You also are definitely struggling with the positioning of your center lines. I'm very glad that you've made big strides towards using center lines, but this shows that you do have a ways to go in terms of developing your understanding of 3D space. I hope you are still practicing the exercises from lessons 1 and 2 as part of a regular warmup routine - the organic form exercises in lesson 2 are very helpful with developing an understanding of how organic forms sit in space.

Lastly, you did have some constructions that were decent like the cockroach, though I would leverage some additional contour curves to help define the actual volume of its abdomen. There are some forms that simply do not communicate certain information as well as others might (like a sphere can tell us fairly easily how it sits in space without additional contour lines) but some are very easily perceived as flat without the additional support.

Anyway, I'd like you to try another four pages of insect drawings, taking into consideration what I've said here.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-25 19:35

Great work! Your constructions improve considerably over the set. Just a couple recommendations:

Anyway, keep up the great work. I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-25 19:31

Nice work. Your lines section is looking great - your lines are very confidently executed, which keeps them smooth and consistent. You're not overly preoccupied with accuracy, which is good, as that tends to result in more wobbling due to drawing slower.

For your ellipses though, there is a touch of that hesitation that results in some stiffness. You want to make sure that you're still executing your ellipses with the same kind of confidence, and applying the ghosting method. If you hesitate while drawing them, they'll tend to come out uneven, and start to lose their elliptical shape.

For your box exercises, there are some signs that you may not be reading the instructions as carefully as you should. Here they're minor points, but it becomes a bigger issue when you move into your 250 box challenge.

Reading the instructions is very important - there's a lot of information presented in those lessons, but it's there for a reason. It may be dense and it may be difficult to absorb in just one read through so it is your responsibility to read through it as many times as is necessary. Generally it's best to read the instructions for an exercise before beginning your work on that exercise.

Aside from that, it's also useful to go over your completed work for the rough perspective boxes exercise as described here to help identify where your estimation of perspective tends to drift.

Before I mark this lesson as complete, I'd like you to tackle the rotated boxes exercise. Note that I fully expect students to struggle with this exercise - the rotated boxes and organic perspective boxes are kind of like throwing a child into the deep end of the pool to see if they sink or swim. I don't expect you to succeed, but rather the exercises are there to get you to start thinking about 3D space differently.

On that note, you did about what I'd expect with the organic perspective boxes - there's plenty of room for improvement, but you're heading in the right direction. So once you're done attempting the rotated boxes exercise, I want you to tackle the 250 box challenge again.

The reason I want you to do it again is because you seem to have not read through the instructions for the challenge the first time around. Read through all of the notes on the challenge page, especially the following:

Lastly, don't draw on lined paper. Find some printer paper or something blank, as those lines will immediately set a standard of presentation and quality that is less than ideal, and generally makes people more accepting of a little sloppiness.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Cylinder Challenge"

2017-11-24 06:22

Excellent work! Your constructions look great, and I'm glad to see how much you pushed building each one around its minor axis. The only thing I feel is missing is practicing drawing more of them from a box as a starting point. This will be particularly important when you need to align them to other objects. I noticed that you tried it at the beginning, and definitely could have had some more practice on that end.

So just keep that in mind in the future. Other than that, keep up the great work. And sorry about not giving you the box challenge badge! I'll give you both right now.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-11-24 06:05

There's a lot of great stuff here, and what's more important is that you demonstrate a lot of development in your skills and understanding of form/construction over the set. Earlier on in the set, your constructions were somewhat weaker, but you steadily improved upon it. As far as your later work goes, I'm especially impressed by this last page - the way you've layered the forms, establishing a strong sense of solidity and volume while also maintaining the general flow and fluidity is very impressive.

The only recommendation I want to make is that on pages like this one, you've treated the underlying construction as more of a rough sketch. I want you to consider every single form you put down as being a solid form. They should be drawn confidently, without trying to go out of your way to make them faint or hidden. Think of it as though you're placing a solid mass of marble into a 3D world - once it's there, you cannot "override" it with a different line, because it's effectively not just a bunch of marks on a flat piece of paper. You have to respect and abide by what already has been added to the world. Adding line weight isn't a means to 'clean things up' in this way, either - line weight is to be applied locally to sections of lines in order to clarify very specific overlaps, and make it clearer as to which form comes in front of which.

Anyway, generally you're doing pretty well. I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete, so feel free to move onto the next one.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-24 05:50

Nice work! Your arrows flow very nicely through space, your organic forms capture a good sense of volume, and your dissections demonstrate a lot of excellent experimentation and exploration. Your form intersections are well done too - you're showing a well developing grasp of 3D space. Your organic intersections are alright - definitely good enough for the lesson, though you should work on getting them to feel more fluid and somewhat less stiff. Try and think of them like balloons filled with water sagging on top of each other.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete. Keep up the great work, and feel free to move onto the next lesson.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 3: Drawing Plants"

2017-11-23 23:20

Some students tackle the lessons on their own as you have before seeking critique, but the way the lessons are structured requires that students start from the beginning, receiving critiques for each lesson in order and having each lesson marked as complete before moving onwards. Because of this, students who want to have me review their work will generally start over from the beginning.

There is logic behind this - the lessons are designed so that each one brings to light a certain set of challenges and struggles. Issues that are much more obvious due to the nature of the exercises in lesson 1 might be more difficult to diagnose at lesson 3.

So, unfortunately I have to ask that you start out by submitting the work for lesson 1.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-23 02:11

Nice work! I do have a few things to recommend though:

I'm going to mark this lesson as complete, but I'd like you to to move onto the 250 box challenge next (which you seem to have already started on). Be sure to read through all of the notes on the challenge page, especially the tip about drawing through your forms, which should help you better grasp how each box sits in 3D space (again, you seem to have started doing that too). Also, the correction techniques mentioned there are also quite helpful in finding where things are going wrong, and should be applied upon the completion of each page. So a good place to start would be to take the one page you've done, and apply those techniques (like extending your lines towards their implied vanishing point with a different colour of pen).

Oh by the way, I know you're a new patron because I saw you on the discord earlier today - but make sure you check your patreon inbox and respond to the message I sent there so I can properly mark your reddit username down in my notes with the appropriate patreon info.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-23 01:55

Very nice work! You've got some excellent volumes in your organic forms with contour ellipses/curves, your dissections show a lot of great experimentation and exploration, your form intersections demonstrate a nicely developing understanding of 3D space and your organic intersections convincingly create the illusion that these forms are sagging and resting on top of each other without interpenetrating.

Just a few tips:

Aside from that, you're doing great. Keep it up, and feel free to move onto the next lesson.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 3: Drawing Plants"

2017-11-23 01:37

Very nicely done! Overall you're hitting the major points that I'm looking for - your grasp of conveying the flat, flowing nature of leaves and petals improves a fair bit over the set, and your more three dimensional forms are combined to create believable, solid objects. You're paying a lot of attention to how the different forms relate to each other, and you're generally avoiding jumping in too complex too early. Your patience definitely rewards you well, and you show a good grasp of 3D space.

I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete. Keep up the great work and feel free to move onto the next one.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-23 01:34

Pretty nice work! Just a couple tips:

Aside from that, very well done. Your organic forms are solid, your form intersections demonstrate a good grasp of 3D space and your organic intersections demonstrate the interaction between volumes very well. I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete, so feel free to move onto the next one.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-23 01:27

You've done a pretty good job with the form intersections, but your organic forms/intersections are not reflecting a good grasp of the fact that you're meant to be drawing three dimensional forms in 3D space. From what I can see, you're not actually convinced of that.

Ultimately what we're doing here is telling a lie, and in order to tell it as convincingly as possible, you yourself must believe it. This is easier said than done, and takes time to develop, but the first step is to properly grasp what it is you're attempting to do.

Your marks currently read as just being a set of lines loosely related to one another, on a flat piece of paper. Instead, I want you to think about the fact that you're creating a plump sausage form, either floating in space or sitting on a surface. Draw with your whole arm, not just your wrist, and keep the form simple. Your current lines for the shape's outline tend to be a little stiff and at times a little uneven or wobbly - this adds complexity, which in turn undermines the illusion of form. Keep it as simple and smooth as you can.

Next, for your contour curves, you've got to apply the ghosting method more, and generally take more time planning them out. You also need to think more about how those circular cross-sections are oriented relative to the viewer. The degree of the ellipse used to represent the orientation cross-section, as described here.

Lastly, make sure you keep the alignment of your contour curves in mind as well - that central line is the minor axis, so keep that in mind.

Once you have a better grasp of the volumes you're actually trying to construct, and start to believe in those illusions, the organic intersections should get better as well, as it relies heavily on you respecting the solidity of each form (so they don't interpenetrate).

Soooo, I'd like you to try another four pages of organic forms with contour curves, then two pages of organic intersections. Also, when doing the forms with contour curves, don't just arrange them all the same way. That's going to immediately make you think robotically, like they're just flat things on a flat page.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-22 04:43

Congrats on completing the challenge! You did a solid job - there's definite and clear improvement (last two boxes aside), and I'm glad to see that you're applying the correction techniques properly. There definitely are still tendencies that you'll want to fix and adjust, but you're moving in the right direction and your general constructions/solidity are definitely getting better.

I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete. Keep up the good work.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-11-22 04:40

So your drawings do get better through the set, but there is definitely still a strong tendency to flatten your constructions out. Also, one extremely important part of construction is to draw complete forms. When drawing the segments of your legs, you draw them more like layered scale (the next segment has a start and end point, rather than being a full, solid loop. When you don't draw things to completion, they will come out flat.

Also, try and draw your leg segments more like flowing segments (as mentioned in this demo, closer to the bottom).

Aaaaand it helps a lot to draw a center line along the surface of your forms, helps both to keep things aligned and also to ensure that you're giving the appropriate amount of volume to your forms.

Here are some additional, disorganized notes.

I think it'd be a good idea to do another three pages of insect drawings. Focus on construction, don't add any detail/texture. When you do deal in texture (later), stop scribbling. Scribbling is not a texture - texture needs to be carefully observed and intentionally executed. But again, leave that alone for now, focus only on drawing forms in whose solidity you fully believe. 90% of this is creating an illusion (of form, that you're drawing 3D forms in a 3D world and not marks on a flat page) and then buying into that lie yourself.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 5: Drawing Animals"

2017-11-22 00:36

This is, for the most part, the same as the last set. The same problem is happening - you're drawing what you think you see, relying on memory, not actually drawing what is there. This isn't inherently uncommon by any stretch, but this doesn't show much improvement from when I pointed it out previously.

You look at your reference. You identify a single form, and try to understand how it relates to the forms around it. You draw that one, single form on your page - nothing more - then you go back to your reference and find another. Start from the general forms, and gradually break them down as you develop enough underlying structure to support the smaller ones. That's what construction is, and it relies very heavily on identifying what is present in your reference.

You are doing two things very wrong, and they are both represented in this image.

My previous recommendation of drawing on top of printed pictures of animals (which you can do digitally as well if you have the tools) was an offhand suggestion based on your struggles with understanding the forms that actually exist (compared to the ones you're actually drawing). I don't know if it'll help, but it's absolutely worth a try because you are walking in circles here, and with each turn you're tossing aside more and more of the lessons I teach you.

When was the last time you read through the lesson or watched the intro video? And when was the last time you did any of the lesson 1 and 2 material (which you're supposed to do as warmups)? I know you're very hardworking and persistent, but I frequently get the impression that you're focusing only on drawing the assigned homework and not on reflecting upon the lesson material or revisiting the basic exercises as you're supposed to. So eventually you just end up forgetting that stuff, and falling right back into bad habits.

Try it again.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-19 21:53

It's weird how I have a habit of remembering that I forgot to answer a question many, many hours after initially responding - but i totally forgot about your question about sitting!

It's very important that you sit straight while drawing. The desk should be at such a level that if you placed your hand flat on the desk (assuming the desk itself is also flat), your elbow would be bent at roughly 90 degrees. Avoid hunching over, because that's what's going to give you back pain. If you can get your hands on an angled desk, that's ideal, though most people can't - so it is important to know that when drawing on a flat table or desk, the farther end of your piece of paper is going to be far enough to create some perspective distortion (so your drawings end up a little warped). Generally you can avoid this just by being aware of the problem though, and getting used to compensate for it.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-19 21:45

Overall you're doing a pretty good job, there's just one area where you do need work, but it's pretty pervasive. It's also a common issue, and one we can certainly resolve.

Right now, when drawing your lines, your priority is accuracy. Because of this, you draw more slowly and take your time in your execution. As you go, your brain course-corrects whenever you veer off track, in order to keep you going where you feel you need to go.

These course-corrections manifest as wobbles in your line. I explain this concept in this comic. Instead of focusing so much on accuracy, you should be focusing instead on the flow of your lines. Spend as much time as you feel you need when preparing to draw (while applying the ghosting method), but when you actually execute a mark do so with a confident, persistent pace, and no hesitation. Accept that mistakes will happen, and that once your pen touches the page, there is nothing you can do to avoid them. All you can do is push forwards and face them head on. At the very least, your lines will be smooth and straight, even if they're not heading perfectly in the direction you intended.

Ultimately accuracy is something that improves with practice and time, but flow relates more to one's approach. You don't inherently need to draw quickly to have nice flow, but you do need to draw quickly enough to keep your brain from interfering as you draw.

This applies both to your straight lines and your curves, but also to your ellipses. Drawing them too slowly results in them coming out stiffly and unevenly shaped.

One other thing - for your rough perspective boxes, be sure to go over your completed work as described here to help identify where your estimation of perspective tends to drift.

Aside from that, you're doing a good job. You do seem to have left out the two pages of organic perspective boxes, but I've already decided that I'll be marking this lesson as complete, and that I want you to move onto the 250 box challenge next. Usually I assign this because the vast majority of people struggle with the rotated/organic perspective boxes exercises (and generally it just really helps develop one's grasp of 3D space). In your case that will definitely be a helpful aspect of the challenge, but it will also give you ample opportunity to practice applying the ghosting method in the way that I described above.

Be sure to read through all of the notes on that page, especially the tip about drawing through your forms. This in particular should help you better grasp how each box sits in 3D space. Also, the correction techniques outlined there should be applied upon the completion of each full page of boxes, so you can reflect upon your mistakes and learn from them for the next page.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 5: Drawing Animals"

2017-11-19 21:33

Here are some things I noticed throughout your work. I actually really liked your second attempt at the camel, I felt a lot of the construction there held up fairly well. Overall though, you are definitely not observing your references carefully enough or thinking critically about what you're drawing. One important example of this is the angle and proportions of your rib cage and pelvis. The unfortunate thing is that we don't have x-ray vision, but we can generally determine the size and angle of these things either by deduction (the relationships are pretty similar in human beings, where the torso is half ribcage and a quarter pelvis) or by looking closely for tells along the animal's body. This does require you to slow down and study your subject matter carefully however, and a lot of people will respond to not entirely knowing how something works by just drawing more (a sort of panic response). I definitely see you doing this a lot when it comes to adding way too many contour curves in certain places.

Another thing I noticed was that when you add detail and texture, you tend to treat the underlying construction with a lot less respect than you should. You're entirely willing to deviate from it, treating it more like lines on a 2D page rather than solid, unyielding forms in a 3D world.

I want you to try another four pages of animal drawings, but this time I don't want you to venture into ANY sort of detail or texture. Focus entirely on construction - detail can very easily become a distraction, and being forced to ignore it can really help. Also, before revisiting the work, I want you to reread the lesson and watch the video again. Since the work took you a fairly long time, I think it's probably been a while since you looked at the lesson material, and have probably forgotten some of it.

Oh, one last thing - ease up on your brush pen. Just because you have it doesn't mean it's necessarily the best tool for the job. Your last few pages were ridiculously heavy handed on line weight. You can use the brush pen for filling in shadow shapes, but line weight itself should be subtle and should only be applied in specific localities. That is, PART of a line rather than the whole line, usually to clarify very specific overlaps. Otherwise it ends up looking really clunky and cartoony.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 3: Drawing Plants"

2017-11-19 20:38

So I do have a few things to mention about your overall approach to the exercise in general, and to texturing.

Aside from those two points, your forms and constructions are okay, if a bit sloppy and rushed. So I am going to mark this lesson as complete, but you need to hold yourself back a little more in the future and think through each mark and form you're about to put down. Also in general, I am noticing that you're getting somewhat distracted by the promise of moving onto detail and texture. I recommend that for the first half of the next lesson's drawings, you not move onto texture and detail at all - focus entirely on construction, so as to learn how to deal with that alone, without the additional distraction.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-18 23:51

Your boxes and line quality improves considerably over the set, as does your general box construction. One thing I did notice though is that you did not apply the correction techniques I drew your attention to when I assigned the work. In the notes, I discuss extending your lines back towards their implied vanishing point to see how they converge together, as this makes it considerably easier to detect mistakes. It's best to do this upon the completion of each page, as this allows you to learn a great deal as you progress while not cutting into the flow of the exercise too much (as would happen if you corrected after each box).

Anyway, that is ultimately for your benefit, and there is still value in going back and applying those corrections in that manner. Still, I'll leave that up to you. I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete, so feel free to move onto lesson 2.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 5: Drawing Animals"

2017-11-18 23:29

Definitely better. Lots and lots of room for improvement, but moving in the right direction so I'll mark this lesson as complete. Here are a couple of things I noticed, and also, here's an old demo on how I would tackle an elephant: https://i.imgur.com/SrkdB5a.png in case you haven't seen it yet.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-17 04:33

Yes, what I meant was that you were doing it, but you could have done it moreso. Your ellipses did expand in degree, but did so to a point and then kind of plateaued.

Basically the thing is that the degree of an ellipse represents the angle of the circle that ellipse represents in 3D space, relative to the viewer. Or rather, its orientation. If it's facing the viewer head-on, it's going to be fully circular. If it's facing across the viewer's plane of vision, it would have a degree of 0 (you'd be looking at its edge only, resulting in a flat line). You can think of the degree being equal to the actual angle of the orientation, so if it were turned 45 degrees, the degree would also be 45 (exactly halfway between a line and a circle).

This may also help.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-16 22:41

Excellent work! You've demonstrated exceptional confidence with your linework, and a patient, careful work ethic when it comes to going through and following the instructions to the best of your ability. Each and every exercise has been executed exactly as I would have hoped.

Even the one fall-back mistake I tend to catch on people with relatively exceptional work (increasing the degree of your funnels' ellipses as they go out from the center) is something you actually did do on your own - though perhaps not as much. It's pretty normal to feel that as the ellipse gets bigger, its degree does as well, though this is not the case. It's really more about the proportions of the overall ellipse, so as the ellipse gets larger, its width should increase further still (ultimately becoming more circular).

Now that's a very minor issue at best, and is just something you should keep in mind in the future.

Jumping ahead to your rotated and organic perspective boxes, both demonstrate a solid grasp of 3D space, enough so that I will not ask you to move onto the 250 box challenge next (unless you insist upon it yourself). I do ask however that you give the notes there a good read through, focusing especially on the tip about drawing through your forms. This in particular will help you better deal with spatial challenges in the future, like in lesson 2's form intersections.

Keep up the fantastic work, and consider this lesson complete. As for your question, you are more than welcome to submit your work for community critique as well.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-16 22:33

Definitely an improvement. Just don't forget that the central minor axis line is still very important, and you should not be neglecting to include it when doing these exercises. It helps with the alignment of your contour curves, and keeps them perpendicular to the flow of the form. I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete, so go ahead and move onto the next one. Be sure however to keep practicing all of the exercises from lesson 1 and 2 as part of a regular warmup routine.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-11-15 20:13

A lot of these are quite well done. The fly on the first page is an especially good example of balancing form/construction against detail and texture. Other constructions were somewhat less good (like the scorpion), and the texture on your... spider dog? was definitely very scribbly. Don't scribble!

The wasp's abdomen on this page really demonstrates a great, more subtle grasp of form in how those segments curve as they hook back along the underside. That's a very good sign as far as your understanding of 3D space goes, and your personal belief in the illusions you're producing.

I have just a few recommendations to make:

Anyway, I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete. Feel free to move onto the next one, just keep what I've mentioned here in mind.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-15 20:00

Nice work! Your confidence and general sense of construction definitely improves over the set, and I'm very pleased to see how thorough you are with applying the correction techniques. My biggest recommendation in terms of a next step to kick your boxes up a level would be to play more with some subtle line weight variation, making the silhouette of your boxes a little bit heavier to add some greater dynamism and cohesion to the overall form (giving the internal/external lines a sort of relationship like this helps make the forms feel more solid).

I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete. Keep up the good work.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-15 19:56

Pretty nice work. There's definite improvement over the set, and your general confidence with constructing these boxes definitely grows as you work through more and more of them. I'm glad to see that you applied the correction methods as well, though if I had one recommendation to make, it's that you be careful about only checking one or two of your vanishing points. There are cases where you don't check the third, and end up missing areas where that third set of lines is actually diverging rather than converging. One example is 179, though there are many others.

The thing about this technique is that it's not just about clarifying areas where you know things are going wrong, but also about finding mistakes where you think there are none. This becomes more and more of a thing as you improve, as we tend to improve our constructional skills faster than our critical eye, and are more likely to plateau because of this (where our mistakes end up being subtle enough that we miss them, and we end up progressing much more slowly due to thinking our boxes are correct).

Anyway, I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete. Keep up the good work!

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-15 19:44

Definitely looking better, so I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete. Just don't forget to include the central minor axis line, as it helps considerably to align your contour curves so they run as cross-sections perpendicular to the flow of the overall form.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-15 19:19

Your work is coming along well, but I do have a few things to point out.

Before I mark this lesson as complete, I'd like you to do two more pages of organic forms with contour curves.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes"

2017-11-14 21:10

Your second set is VASTLY better than your first set. There is a problem that is present throughout both, but it is much diminished in the second. Basically, you always want to push yourself to execute your marks with a confident, persistent pace. If you look at all of the linework in your first set, you'll see that it wobbles a fair bit, and this gives it a sort of stiff look, rather than the sort of smoothness we're looking for. This is present both in lines (straight and curving) as well as your ellipses.

In your second set, your lines are actually considerably better, with only minimal hesitation, but there still is some stiffness to your ellipses. It's often difficult to get out of the mindset of being overly careful with your marks, but it's important to realize that once you've applied the ghosting method to the best of your ability, any mistake you make from the time your pen touches the page is entirely unavoidable. The best thing you can do is charge forwards with the preparation you have made and see it through. If you mess up, it's not the end of the world - there will always be more chances to do better. There will always be more pieces of paper, and more penfulls of ink.

Aside from that, just a couple other things. For your rough perspective boxes, be sure to go over your completed work as described here to help identify where your estimation of perspective tends to drift.

Your organic perspective boxes were definitely a challenge, and there is certainly room to grow here, but this is entirely expected. I included this exercises here to get students to start thinking about boxes and 3D space in a different manner - forcing them to think more about the rules of perspective represent, rather than just learning them by rote memorization. You're about where I'd expect you to be, and are making considerable progress compared to your older attempts.

I'm going to go ahead and mark this lesson as complete, but I'd like you to move onto the 250 box challenge. Be sure to read through all of the notes on that challenge page, especially the tip about drawing through your forms, which should help you better grasp how each box sits in 3D space. Also, the correction techniques mentioned there should be applied upon the completion of each page of boxes.

Uncomfortable in the post "250 Box Challenge"

2017-11-14 21:04

Pretty nice work! The confidence in your lines definitely improves over the set, where your initial lines were a little wobblier and more hesitant, and later ones turned out much more consistent. There are a couple things that I noticed that are worth mentioning though. It looks like some of the planes you filled in with hatching lines were actually the far plane of the box (which made the whole thing quite visually confusing, generally you should be applying it to the near plane to help clarify potential visual illusions). The other thing is that the extension of your lines (which you can leave to the end of each completed page, so you don't have to worry about smudging that coloured ink) were being extended in both directions (especially towards the beginning). You really want to be focusing this towards the implied vanishing point, as that's what is going to tell you more about the nature of your lines' convergence.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete. Keep up the good work.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 4: Drawing Insects and Arachnids"

2017-11-14 20:30

Excuse how shitty my lines are, my tablet's acting up and i really don't want to restart my computer. https://i.imgur.com/LgByFub.png

The most important thing that I'd add is a center line, running along the surface of your forms to help align things in space.

Uncomfortable in the post "Lesson 2: Organic Forms, Contour Lines, Dissections and Form Intersections"

2017-11-14 20:23

https://i.imgur.com/HziPyHp.jpg