25 Wheel Challenge

4:29 AM, Tuesday January 26th 2021

25 wheels - Album on Imgur

Direct Link: https://i.imgur.com/1TFq2mx.jpg

Find, rate and share the best memes and images. Discover the magic of th...

I broke the mold for #16 as I felt the small wheels with the ellipse guides I had were not making it easy to get some of the rim details in, so I went big without guides for #16, just to see if there would be an improvement.

Another small issue is that my guides are in presets of 15, 30, 45, and 60 degrees. I know the side of the wheel that is farther away from the viewer, should be at a slightly larger angle, but the jump from 45 to 60 , 30 to 45, etc was offputting, and I tried to freehand a few of those farther ellipses, but those didnt come out all that great either.

0 users agree
10:26 PM, Thursday January 28th 2021

The limitations of the ellipse guides are definitely understandable, as is your experimentation to work around it. At the end of the day, getting a proper set of ellipse guides is prohibitively expensive, and for the most part we're still able to explore the core of this challenge with what is offered in a master ellipse template.

Overall your wheel constructions are decently done, though there are a few small issues that I assume was caused by the ellipse guides themselves. For example, the shift in degree is generally going to be matched with a commensurate shift in scale (if the far end gets notably wider, then we also need to be reaching for a similarly smaller ellipse overall). In most of your wheels you've got the far end of the ellipse with that wider degree, but still at the same scale. I assume this is because the smaller ellipse would have been way smaller, and that you decided to work with what you had. Still, worth calling it out.

Now, the main thing we do have to talk about is texture - because this is something that students at this stage often forget about, and you are no exception. That is, they forget about the principles discussed way back in lesson 2, specifically the fact that when capturing texture we do so using implicit drawing techniques, focusing on capturing the shadows each given textural form would cast, rather than outlining those textural forms individually.

Looking at your work here, when dealing with those tire treads, you're focusing more on just drawing what you see - not actually considering the specific forms that are present, and how they relate to the surfaces around them. As a result, we get situations like number 8 where you've just drawn arbitrarily wobbly shapes for each groove, instead of thinking about the actual chunks of tread that stick out from the tire's surface. Of course, what we talk about in regards to observation is important here too - to look at your reference almost constantly, only looking away to draw specific marks instead of working from what you think you remember.

One way to think about texture is that when we draw, say, a cracked mud surface, the temptation is to draw the cracks. But the cracks are themselves empty space. Instead, we have to think about the forms themselves, which are the chunks of mud around the cracks, and to draw the shadows they cast. It's easier to just draw cracks, but at the end of the day the result comes out flat and unconvincing.

While your textures leave a lot to be desired here, that is pretty common. This pit stop before the end of the course gives me a nice opportunity to smack people on the wrist and remind them of things they've no doubt forgotten, and haven't revisited nearly as much as they should have. So, I am going to mark this challenge as complete, but be sure to go back and revisit the material from lesson 2 as you move forwards.

Next Steps:

Move onto lesson 7.

This critique marks this lesson as complete.
1:31 AM, Thursday February 4th 2021
edited at 1:40 AM, Feb 4th 2021
  • removed
edited at 1:40 AM, Feb 4th 2021
5:35 PM, Thursday February 4th 2021

While I assume that you edited your post because you found the answer yourself, I figured just in case I should go ahead and answer the question anyway.

The only issue here is that I think you have the order of operations reversed, at least in your phrasing. What we're estimating is the ellipse itself. We define three out of four edges of the given plane, and then try to place an ellipse in there that fits the given criteria. We define the last edge of the plane last.

It is an estimation, as you said, but that's something we worked on in the cylinder challenge when going through the cylinders-in-boxes. It won't be perfect, but you've already demonstrated the capacity to estimate those proportions reasonably well.

Of course, using an ellipse guide can also help here, though since you're stuck to specific degrees, you may need to work around that when constructing your original 'unit cube'. To that point, if you just start with a given ellipse, use its minor axis to define one vanishing point and then use the requirements for the contact points for the other, you can sidestep not having the 'perfect' ellipse for a set situation.

9:25 PM, Friday February 5th 2021

My apologies, I felt that by posting a question on a Assignment you have labeled as "finished" I was unfairly asking more from you than I should have since each assignment costs x credits to submit and have reviewed, and I deleted it a few minutes after I posted it. Thank you for the response, I have moved forward and am trying my best to proceed with the assignments for lesson 7 right now.

The recommendation below is an advertisement. Most of the links here are part of Amazon's affiliate program (unless otherwise stated), which helps support this website. It's also more than that - it's a hand-picked recommendation of something I've used myself. If you're interested, here is a full list.
Drawabox-Tested Fineliners (Pack of 10, $17.50 USD)

Drawabox-Tested Fineliners (Pack of 10, $17.50 USD)

Let's be real here for a second: fineliners can get pricey. It varies from brand to brand, store to store, and country to country, but good fineliners like the Staedtler Pigment Liner (my personal brand favourite) can cost an arm and a leg. I remember finding them being sold individually at a Michael's for $4-$5 each. That's highway robbery right there.

Now, we're not a big company ourselves or anything, but we have been in a position to periodically import large batches of pens that we've sourced ourselves - using the wholesale route to keep costs down, and then to split the savings between getting pens to you for cheaper, and setting some aside to one day produce our own.

These pens are each hand-tested (on a little card we include in the package) to avoid sending out any duds (another problem with pens sold in stores). We also checked out a handful of different options before settling on this supplier - mainly looking for pens that were as close to the Staedtler Pigment Liner. If I'm being honest, I think these might even perform a little better, at least for our use case in this course.

We've also tested their longevity. We've found that if we're reasonably gentle with them, we can get through all of Lesson 1, and halfway through the box challenge. We actually had ScyllaStew test them while recording realtime videos of her working through the lesson work, which you can check out here, along with a variety of reviews of other brands.

Now, I will say this - we're only really in a position to make this an attractive offer for those in the continental United States (where we can offer shipping for free). We do ship internationally, but between the shipping prices and shipping times, it's probably not the best offer you can find - though this may depend. We also straight up can't ship to the UK, thanks to some fairly new restrictions they've put into place relating to their Brexit transition. I know that's a bummer - I'm Canadian myself - but hopefully one day we can expand things more meaningfully to the rest of the world.

This website uses cookies. You can read more about what we do with them, read our privacy policy.