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2:22 PM, Thursday July 8th 2021
edited at 2:28 PM, Jul 8th 2021

I'll quickly critique your leaves page so that you can take these into account when doing the plant revisions. As a side note, it's great that you didn't redo the leaves. Mistakes are fine, it's the approach that matters here. You will practice these techniques later on, and it will get more accurate as you do so. Also, if there were bad habits, grinding and practicing with those habits would just make it harder to get rid of them later.

So you are definitely approaching complex construction a lot better now. Where before, the simple curves were treated as just suggestions or direction, now you are trying to treat them as hard construction rules like they were intended to. While you don't always succeed, that is perfectly fine. Those things will get better with practice, the goal of this lesson and critique is to show you the correct way so you practice good habits instead of bad ones. Excellent work on that.

In terms of edge detail, it seems like you're still redrawing the entire previous edge when applying detail. Zig-zagging refers not to sharp corners, but rather trying to do multiple details in one stroke. For example, trying to draw 3 bumps, or multiple cuts at once. It's especially bad when you try to capture something additive and subtractive in the same stroke, you start having to think about the simple edge of the leaf when doing so, a problem that's already solved in the previous step of the construction. This is ultimately why we adhere so strictly to the previous steps of construction. Each step solves a problem, and only by following what we lay out before can we avoid having to solve that problem again. This is why you only draw what's changed from the previous step, not the entire previous step. (Line weight is a different concept, with a different purpose, that involves redrawing some of the lines)

I want you to try these steps when applying edge detail:

  • First, start on the simple edge of the leaf. Draw a short distance with the simple edge

  • Then, draw away from the simple edge. Capture the specific, single edge detail (one bump, one spike, one cut, etc.). Keep this simple. Nothing wavy, just a simple curve or spike.

  • When your mark touches the simple edge again, immediately draw along the simple edge. Do not cross the simple edge, do not leave the simple edge. Draw along the simple edge for a short distance, then lift your pen.

  • Repeat this for every single piece of edge detail you want to capture.

If the edge detail is particularly complex, like a complex cut in the leaf, you can build edge detail in steps as well. Like first make a simple curve to capture the general shape, then build on top repeating the above steps until the complex edge detail is covered. Following the steps should allow you to stick to building on top of previous steps of construction instead of replacing them.

Of course, some leaves have dense edge detail and therefore it's not easy to get the space to draw along the simple edge. In this case, I would recommend one of two things:

  • Get a simpler reference. Ultimately, your goal in choosing references is not necessarily picking things that look complex, but rather things that allow you to practice the correct technique. If a complex edge encourages you to zigzag, this is much less useful than a simple edge with only a few details that will encourage you to apply the correct technique. Of course, you should always challenge yourself, but don't go so complex that you're feeling that you can't apply the techniques taught.

  • Use the steps above on every second piece of edge detail. After you finish the entire leaf, go back and fill in the gaps again applying the steps for each one. That's how I would approach a leaf with extremely dense edge detail (though I do recommend just picking an easier reference).

So you're definitely on the right path. Try to keep these things in mind while doing the plant constructions. I'm going to request revisions here since there are still things left to do, but it is just finishing the plant constructions.

Next Steps:

Finish the plant constructions

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
edited at 2:28 PM, Jul 8th 2021
11:37 PM, Saturday July 17th 2021

Hi, I finally got around to doing the constructions! I forgot to ask but am I allowed to do leaf edges for the leaves? I'm on my second plant now and realized I added some before asking (there are no leaf edges on the first page). Thanks ^^

12:51 AM, Sunday July 18th 2021

Leaf edge details are fine (on the leaf construction guide, the first 3 steps are fine, and you should do them), just no texture details. Do keep in mind the guidelines I've talked about above for the leaf edges above.

5:47 AM, Thursday July 22nd 2021

Hi, I've finished the revisions you asked for! For organizational purposes I included the leaves page and ccollected the refs I used for the constructions.

One of the problems I ran into is keeping things in proportion even though I look at the reference often. I ghost to try and get a feel for it but things always end up out of proportion- if you have any tips for that I'd like to hear them, please.

It the links aren't working, please let me know.

Revisions

https://imgur.com/a/riD7FIF

Reference

https://imgur.com/a/bxSQf0N

2:19 PM, Thursday July 22nd 2021

Overall, I see a great deal of improvement here. While I see some issues with your branches, I believe that this should just be a matter of practicing branches, the important part is that you are approaching them correctly.

Your leaf edge details is better now, I see you sticking closer to the simple leaf edge when adding it. In the future, try to draw the simple edge slightly less, that is, the edge detail shouldn't involve making a mark that goes all the way around the leaf, instead the mark should start and stop where the specific edge detail is (with a small bit of runway along the simple edge to help).

I just have a few things to keep in mind specifically when dealing with the more solid constructions. Solid constructions are not a part of this lesson, but these tips may help on the next one:

  • On your third page, you have put down a few spheres representing the centers of the two flowers on top. Then, when drawing the petals, you've cut into the spheres, which undermines the solidity of the sphere. The center-top flower should have its petals wrapping around the sphere instead of going straight through like it is right now, this wrapping around will reinforce the solidity of the sphere, much like carapace wraps around the body of an insect (useful for the next lesson), and is also a good, natural contour line source. For the top-left flower I would have drawn the sphere as the much smaller, rounded base of the flower instead of trying to capture the hollow inside the flower as well. You may have tried to do this, and the sphere came out too big. In such a case, you should follow what you've constructed instead of the reference, issues with proportion are fine for this course, but issues with construction need to be fixed. A small comment about the leaves around the fruit, in the reference I can see them wrapping around the fruit at their top part, capturing this will help with the solidity of the fruit sphere as well.

  • For your mushroom, I probably would have used a single stem going through the entire mushroom, and then wrapped a form around to represent the thicker part before the middle. The straight lines on the top left of the mushroom are ok, curving lines the correct way is definitely something that comes with practice. You can add a few more ellipses to better define how the curve should go to get it more precise, but it is just mainly practice. The edge detail also looks pretty solid, there's just some small inaccuracies that will get better with practice.

So, a few small things to think about, but overall great work Good luck on the next lesson!

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9:48 PM, Thursday July 22nd 2021

Thank you so much!

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