Lesson 2: Contour Lines, Texture and Construction

1:07 AM, Tuesday August 23rd 2022

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8:08 PM, Wednesday August 24th 2022

I'll be the TA handling your Lesson 2 critique.

Before getting started I need to note that you're going to see that your line quality gets pointed out quite a few times in this critique. This is because it appears like you may not have followed instructions/methods provided to you as closely as you could have and your line quality is where it's most noticeable. Just informing you now that you will be asked for revisions for this lesson and if habits like this continue to show up in later exercises expect heavier revisions/possible redoes. All of our lines should be planned using the ghosting method, then drawn confidently in a single stroke, avoid chicken scratching and redrawing which is prevalent throughout this submission.

With that out of the way let's get started.

  • Starting off with the arrows section you want to be making sure you're drawing confidently to keep your arrows as smooth as possible, accuracy will come with mileage. There are spots where your arrows bulge/narrow suddenly, this is an issue because it gives the impression that your arrows are stretching which hurts their solidity. Remember that as our arrows move closer to the viewer we want them to widen consistently. This is a good exercise to experiment with line weight but when applying it we want to make sure we do subtly to key areas like overlaps to give clarity to our forms. Here are some things to look out for when applying line weight, and here are some reminders on how to apply it subtly. At times you don't overlap your edges when you should, this results in your arrows flattening out as you can see here. Great use of foreshortening so far, by utilizing it in both the arrows themselves as well as the negative space between their curves we can create a stronger illusion of an arrow moving through 3D space as you can see demonstrated here.

  • Moving into the organic forms with contours exercise your forms are getting a bit too complex or too simple to the point they're nearly ellipses at times. We want to create our forms with both ends being the same size and to avoid any pinching, bloating, or stretching along the form's length as discussed here. While your forms are largely covered by your textures (the instructions asked for pictures before adding textures if you were going to use the same ones) There are still signs of your not being planned out, left floating in the middle of forms or in the case of ellipses not drawn through. Speaking of contours I'd like you to try and shift the degree of your contours more. The degree of a contour line basically represents the orientation of that cross-section in space, relative to the viewer, and as we slide along the sausage form, the cross section is either going to open up (allowing us to see more of it) or turn away from the viewer (allowing us to see less), as shown here.

  • In the texture exercises you're focusing largely on outlines, form shadows and negative space rather than cast shadows created by forms along the texture itself. This makes it difficult to create gradients with implied information which we could then use to create focal points in more complex pieces, by doing so we can prevent our viewers from being visually overwhelmed with too much detail. For more on the importance of focusing on cast shadows read here. I'd also like to quickly direct you to this image which shows that when we're working with thin line like textures if we outline and fill the shadow we will create a much more dynamic texture than simply drawing lines.

  • In the form intersections exercise your lines continue to be haphazardly drawn as does your hatching, you also missed an important instruction about how your forms should be connected in one large group rather than multiple smaller ones.

  • While wrapping up your submission with the organic intersections exercise you do a great job demonstrating that your sense of 3D space is developing as your forms begin to wrap around each other believably. You're keeping your forms simple and easy to work with which is a good strategy to help produce good results. You contour lines are left floating and often don't hook back into the form as mentioned here. Your shadows are hugging the form creating them rather than being cast on to another surface believably. It appears like your shadows aren't following a consistent light source, I recommend pushing your light source to the top left or right corner of the page to start with, it's easier than working with a light directly above your form pile.

I won't be moving you on to the next lesson just yet as mentioned, each lesson builds upon each other and I'd like to make sure you understand a few of these concepts a bit more before potentially creating more problems down the road.

With that being said I'd like you to please re-read and complete:

  • 2 pages of the organic forms with contours exercise

  • 1 pages of the form intersections exercise

Once you've completed the pages mentioned above reply to this critique with a link to them, I'll go over them and address anything that needs to be worked on and once you've shown you're ready for the next lesson I'll move you on.

I look forward to seeing your work.

Next Steps:

Please re-read and complete:

  • 2 pages of the organic forms with contours exercise

  • 1 pages of the form intersections exercise

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
6:09 PM, Thursday August 25th 2022
edited at 6:58 PM, Aug 25th 2022

i was under the impression that I was meant to simply do the exercise and move on.

I included that extra page of the intersections because I was demonstrating that I was exploring the issue. those wre just scrap pages that were not meant to be part of the exercise. I had hoped it would be obvious there was a gradual improvement though the intersections. some like the tree bark, the kiwi, the muscle fibers, the scales #2 (I re did them because I didn't like the first pass).

I abandoned the exercise because I was instructed "not to make pretty pictures" therefore I moved on when I felt I was obsessing with the exercise.

I am having a hard time grasping the shadows and textures, but it would appear that I am progressing more than others who have been critiqued and allowed to move on so I am not sure to what depth I am to explore these exercsises..

edit :I am also seeing here in my submission that I did not label the texture next to the tree ark one as "scales #2". you see I spent a lot of time on the exercsise and I started to kind of get it at the end but I just moved on bc I was spending way too long on it I felt..

did I forget a page of intersections? I made 4. I only see 3..

thanks you.

edited at 6:58 PM, Aug 25th 2022
7:12 PM, Thursday August 25th 2022

You may be under the wrong impression, and may want to rewatch this video from Lesson 0. We do not allow students to decide on their own to redo work, as that would fall under the category of grinding. That said, we're pretty open about the fact that students are at times assigned revisions in order to demonstrate their understanding of any issues we may call out, or to address situations where the student rushed and did not uphold their responsibility of completing the tasks to the best of their current ability.

I'm unclear on what you mean by "extra page of intersections", as you actually included 3 pages of form intersections when 4 were assigned, and appear to have included the 2 assigned pages of organic intersections. I suppose you might be referring to the third page of dissections here - although you weren't assigned any redos on your dissections, so once again I'm uncertain as to what the issue is here. Tofu identified issues that you can continue to work on (which falls primarily to the fact that you appear to be drawing your filled areas of solid black based on direct observation, transferring what you see in your drawings but not strictly considering how each and every shadow shape you introduce is meant to imply the presence of a specific textural form being present (you can read more about this in these notes).

That said, in the video I linked you to at the top, I also do state that extra work/scrap work/etc should not be included. All of the work submitted is expected to be done to the best of the student's current ability. We by no means expect perfect work, and as you can see with your texture work, we will often provide feedback and advice to call out areas for improvement, but that does not necessarily mean we request revisions on those areas. We do however require that what is submitted reflects that the student has invested as much time as they require to fulfill that responsibility.

So, go ahead and review that video. It should clarify some of the misunderstandings here. I would however prefer it if in the future you avoided engaging with my teaching assistants in this fashion - there's no need to be snarky when they're simply doing their job. You're welcome to decide you disagree with what revisions they may assign or what feedback they may provide (and whether or not you complete the revisions and continue on through the course is entirely up to you), but at the end of the day, they're only trying to help render you the advice and next steps that will be to your benefit. It is not at any point an attack against you.

7:26 PM, Thursday August 25th 2022
edited at 7:40 PM, Aug 25th 2022

thank you. I understand. I was however trying to add this edit but I don't think it went through. maybe this is neither here nor there at this point, but I did actually take pictures of the organic contour lines before I drew over them. I believe I actually just made new contours for the disections actually. here are the those w images tho just to indicate I am following directions as best I can. I guess it's anecdotal at this point though.

https://imgur.com/a/2V3m4if

i will re do them as i did not do them properly. I did miss the instructional image.

the extra page of intersections was a typo and I was referring to the piece of scrap paper of disections. I honestly had a moment where I thought I was spending too much time on the exercsise and just thought I'd throw in the extra idk.

i did make 4 pages of intersections. obviously i only uploaded 3 and i could make any excuse I want. but I am mostly frustrated at the miscommunication which is mostly on my part and that this is the second time I've lost an assignment sheet I finished.

i tried to edit any snarkyness but I guess I was too late. what can I say other than I reacted instead of responded.

*okay this thread is getting a little ridiculous. my fault. I was confused upon my initial reading as I had thought intersections were the disections. so I thought I had to redo those, and thus my explanation. oh man.

edit sorry about all that. it's starting to click that this is mostly,centered around the missing sheet of intersections*.

*which I can't stress enough I was sure I made 4 and either way I clearly understood the requirements of the submission. I believe I lost it one way or the other which is a problem of organization I will adress.

edited at 7:40 PM, Aug 25th 2022
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7:39 PM, Friday August 26th 2022
edited at 10:22 PM, Aug 26th 2022

https://imgur.com/a/EK16P8f

here's my revision. looking at my intersection page in photo form, it sure does look crappier than I thought. but I spent time visualizing the forms and such so hopefully it'll pass. maybe not. I am realizing I should have done shorter cylinders to facilitate a smooth line. the longer ones are tricky. or I should not have e done any cylinders maybe..

realize I did not hatch the cylinder properly. I guess I get overwhelmed with all the other forms and I lose control of my line. I think I understand that hatching is meant to be on the front of the object towards the veiwer..I think I used it properly based on that.

I feel like I'm not doing thr contours right. I am having a hard time keeping my elipses or contours aligned to the minor axis.

thanks.

edited at 10:22 PM, Aug 26th 2022
10:31 PM, Friday August 26th 2022

This is largely an improvement but there are still some things worth pointing out.

I noticed a number of instances where your linework shows some bad habits - being sketchy, correcting mistakes, etc, as shown below:

Every mark you put down should be the result of forethought, consideration, and planning. Don't allow yourself to put marks down without thinking them through, and don't correct mistakes (or put little X's for that matter). Just let your lines stand for themselves. Making a mistake is not the end of the world - as discussed back in Lesson 0, it's a normal, expected part of the process. But if we allow ourselves to fall into the habit of automatically correcting or trying to hide/explain/address mistakes, then that becomes a part of what we draw.

I'd also like you to make sure you draw through all of your ellipses in the future including the small contour ellipses on the end of organic or on the ends of cylinders/cones.

That said there is enough improvement here for me to mark your submission complete and hope that you address these issues in your warm ups/future work.

Best of luck in lesson 3.

Next Steps:

Move on to lesson 3.

This critique marks this lesson as complete.
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