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s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-08 05:58

Look man, I get that, you like talking. But you might as well talk to a mirror at this point. You don't need my participation to imagine conversation scenarios where you're the based guy

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-08 03:02

Not wasting time on people that disregard everything you wrote and come up with their own idea of what's actually a point of conversation.

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-07 20:54

I figured we can understand "fundamentals" differently so I'll give an example of what I mean

Let's take "Line" subject.

What Drawabox focuses on is teaching you the execution of the mark with confidence and precision. That's definetely a part of line fundamentals, your lines shouldn't be wobbly

But there's so much more important that is part of line fundamentals:

These are just a small part of line fundamentals, and very simple too. But Drawabox entirely ignores that part of fundamental knowledge by deciding to use only finelines, which can't vary their value or edge, only shape at little extent. Almost all other graphic tools can though (pencils, ink pens, charcoal, digital brushes, etc)

Is this Drawabox fault? No, not at all. There're reasons behind that choice that I respect

Another example is shadows and lights, which I believe Drawabox doesn't focus on either, not in detail. And it is fundamentals. Shadows are not just "rendering" and making it look "more realistic". Shadows and light is how we decribe form, volume. So that's also an important part of fundamentals - both theory and execution

Again, does it make Drawabox worse? Hell no. As any other course, it has its own focus. But does Drawabox on its own teach enough fundamentals to a beginner? Kiiinda depends on beginner's goals, but generally, no. Neither it should.

Should beginners be aware that there's far more to fundamentals than they learn here? Should they study other fundamental materials together with Drawabox? I wish they would at least be aware. Don't know whether it's Drawabox's responsibility, but I already started this conversation here, so yeah

Again, the reason of my frustration is not the Drawabox, but tendency of some folks to repeat it instead of seeking new knowledge, since they believe Drawabox equals Fundamentals

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-07 19:51

This is true. I shouldn't have said it like it was Drawabox fault. There's no resource to my knowledge that provides a whole "this is your learning path outside of this course" on a silver plate

Buuuuut still worth mentioning, since beginners do struggle with navigating their learning path the most and drawabox is very popular among beginners

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-07 19:43

Whatever you say dude, assume about my discipline anything you want to make yourself look better on the internet lmao. A shining knight bravely put down a weakling's opinion as he deserves, since his box peepee is too little to say anything meaningful

Ugh. I completed the challenge, okay?

I get why you're antagonised though. My original post is antagonistic, riddled with wrong assumptions and I regret that I didn't think it through. So any criticism and misunderstandings are expected. I am sorry, and I already explained myself in comments. I didn't edit original post since it would make a conversation under it confusing

I also explained what real reason of my frustration is

To put it shortly, drawabox is just several regions of a whole map of what's considered fundamentals. Beginners need to explore other regions too, or they'll struggle with achieving their goals. Instead what I often see, many beginners think about Drawabox as THE fundamentals. Like it's the only thing you need to get perfect at to move into advanced stuff. And once they don't achieve something, instead of seeking another course, they tend to repeat drawabox lessons, in order to improve their fundamentals, as if drawabox and fundamentals are one thing. It isn't, or rather it isn't whole fundamentals.

And this is what concerns me. Not the Drawabox course itself, it's great. But I'm concerned why it does have such public image, why students behave so despite Uncomfortable efforts to warn them, and what can be done to change it besides what was already done by Uncomfortable

While my original post is a mess, this conversation is worth discussing, since usually there's always stuff to improve upon. Like, I dunno, maybe an article that explains to students what kind of traditional fundamentals Drawabox doesn't provide, encouraging them to seek it out elsewhere, maybe even with links? That's just one idea of many possibilities

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-06 19:44

Cry on reddit and apologize later for being wrong, obviously. But I already did that.

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-06 18:26

For free? I honestly don't know a good one besides Drawabox. Doesn't mean there isn't any though, only that I personally don't know about them

If you can spend some cash, Proko recently launched drawing basics course. It's good, I bought it myself. Would be a great pair to study together with Drawabox.

Besides that, I mostly studied at my country's online-school, so I can't provide much else based on personal experience

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-06 18:10

I still feel bad about some of my choices of words, you don't deserve it. My mistake was to write it while being emotional.

You're a great dude and teacher, and I owe you some of my training. I know you have a great burden of leading thousands of beginners, and honestly out of respect I should have voiced this concern better.

Again, Drawabox is great. I never had trouble with course itself. The real reason I got frustrated was seeing some beginners not moving on to different courses and teachers, choosing instead to repeat all of the lessons which, yeah, don't contain all of the fundamentals some people may require.

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-06 18:01

I think there's a misunderstanding. My fault, I should've thought this post through before posting it.

The subreddit name is just the reason that made me angry and anxious to write this post. And as Uncomfortable already explained below, I'm just dumb for being angry about it lmao.

But even without this subreddit name, I still feel like a lot of beginners really think that this is the true fundamentals course. But you see, it's not how fundamentals are traditionally taught. There's other stuff for beginners to learn too. It doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Drawabox, it's rather it's public image is what i disagree with

And yeah, I totally understand that public image is not something entirely under Uncomfortable control. Which is why I probably wouldn't post it at all if not for the subreddit name.

s_nicole in the post "Is it really alright to call Drawabox reddit "ArtFundamentals"?"

2023-02-06 17:52

Ok, I didn't know that it's not possible to rename the subreddit, so I'm entirely in the wrong here. I am sorry that I let out all of this frustration before understanding what are the actual reasons.