Uncomfortable's Advice from /r/ArtFundamentals

250 Box Challenge

http://drawabox.com/lesson/250boxes

2016-02-25 22:11

Uncomfortable

Patmast

2016-06-01 12:53

So here comes the completed 250 box challenge. At the beginning I thought that it would be better to draw through the boxes with a seperate colour. After I realized it looks horrible I stopped it.

250 box challenge: http://imgur.com/a/H3f2j

Uncomfortable

2016-06-01 13:26

Unfortunately, today marks the first day of me being on break for the month, so free homework submissions are on hold. You're welcome to resubmit on July 1st, when they reopen.

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2016-06-03 02:39

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Uncomfortable

2016-06-03 02:42

I'm about to go to bed, so I'll be critiquing your work some time tomorrow afternoon or evening - but I wanted to draw your attention to something. You linked only to one page, which seems to have about 27 of your boxes. Having put so much time and effort into them, I'm sure you'd like me to see them all :P

Uncomfortable

2016-06-03 19:49

Your boxes are coming along nicely! Now, the first step at this point would be to take a break - you've earned it. Once that's done, I strongly encourage you to go over those boxes with a different coloured pen and try to find and correct mistakes that you've made. The most common mistakes here will be areas where your far planes come out larger than your near planes. I can see several examples of that, and the fact that you've drawn through many of your boxes should make this easier to identify (since each and every plane is defined in its entirety).

Going over your work and identifying the mistakes is one of the key aspects of this general approach to learning. That is, to try, to fail, to reflect, and to consciously apply what you learned from your reflections the next time you attempt the exercise. These corrections will play the role of reflection, since you really have to think through what you may have done incorrectly, and draw in the more correct lines.

Anyway, that said, you did a good job completing the challenge! Keep up the good work.

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2016-06-03 20:01

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Uncomfortable

2016-06-03 20:03

I think you should be good to move onto lesson 2.

BrinLand

2016-06-07 16:19

Hi Uncomfortable,

I have just known that you're taking a break. I'll leave my finished 250 box challenge here, you can have a look at it when coming back

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.964838936968321.1073741833.943940549058160&type=3

I'm really thankful for you hard-work and useful critiques.

Sincerely,

BrinLand

Uncomfortable

2016-06-07 16:27

I appreciate the thoughtfulness - but unfortunately I can't accept homework submissions right now. If people were able to submit throughout the month to hold their place in line, I'd end up with a hundred and fifty critiques waiting for me on July 1st. And then I'd cry. A lot. You'll have to hold onto it and resubmit in July.

[deleted]

2016-06-15 03:10

I did these a few weeks ago, but just got around to photographing them. I definitely see a huge improvement as I progressed through them. Some of them get worse, those were the moments I realized it was time to take a break.

I probably did these over the course of 3 or 4 days in half a dozen different sessions.

http://imgur.com/a/WlRMG

Edit: I'm realizing now looking at them again that I probably should have spent more time drawing though them. Perhaps I'll do another 100 or so drawing through.

Thanks!

Uncomfortable

2016-06-15 19:55

The confidence of your linework, and your line weights in later boxes are quite well done. One thing to keep in mind though when applying the ghosting method is that you want to avoid any sort of reflexive drawing. That is, putting down any marks that were not driven by planning and consideration. One common example of this is when people draw a mark, and then immediately draw another on top of it. This is usually a result of a lack of confidence, feeling that the line needs to be reinforced in order to make it more correct. Note that this is separate from adding line weight, which is itself a distinct action, driven by its own conscious planning and intent.

Lastly, I agree - you really would have benefitted from drawing through your boxes (it's why I mentioned it specifically when asking you to do the 250 box challenge). I'll be marking this challenge as complete, but I definitely support any desire you may have to do more.

[deleted]

2016-06-15 21:34

I hear you 100% about the reflexive lines, I'm going to take that to heart and focus on it. I'm going to work on some more drawn-through boxes and go ahead and do the 250 cylinder challenge before completing lesson 2. I've been working on those exercises and I can already tell I'm worse off with my ellipses than I was with boxes.

Thanks so much!

Tis_Unfortunate

2016-06-19 13:23

I do feel a bit sheepish for submitting during your vacation...but not sheepish enough not to. (I have some long flights coming up that'd be prime for cylinder-drawing. Controlled linework or bust!)

imgur

Thanks for all your work, as always!

Uncomfortable

2016-06-19 19:56

Very nice work! You're making great progress, and I'm really liking your experimentation with line weight. Keep doing what you're doing!

Carlton_Honeycomb

2016-06-28 00:52

So, prior to my patronage, a fellow redditor offered some advice, told me to work on boxes a bit longer. I was kind of burned out with boxes at that point and ignored it, but I think he was right. I have been drawing boxes like they're going out of style. Only a fraction of them are pictured here. The last two pages, the "Bonus" squares, I approached with ghosting in mind for each and every line, and rotated the page for a more consistent pull. I appreciate you taking the time to provide feedback, and for doing all that you do/have done.

Anyway, here's the 250+ boxes

EDIT: Changed squares to boxes for clarity's sake.

Uncomfortable

2016-06-28 18:20

I got a little confused when you kept referring to them as squares - before I checked, I was a little afraid you had actually drawn a bunch of squares, rather than boxes. I'm glad that wasn't the case!

I'm glad to see that you've completed the challenge, and that you've paid special attention to applying the ghosting method to your linework. I'm also pleased to see that you drew through many of your boxes, but frankly I do believe you should continue doing this throughout (you stopped in your last page). Also, I see that you played with dashed/broken lines in the first couple boxes of the last page - this is something I strongly advise against. As soon as a line is broken, its flow cannot be recovered, so there is a good chance that there will be slight deviations in trajectory, resulting in a line that is not true and straight. Just go ahead and draw a solid line, as it will have greater integrity.

I noticed that here and there you tried to differentiate the front-facing faces from the others by applying some hatching lines to them. That's totally fine, and a good idea - but here and there you got sloppy and just applied a loose, sloppy squiggly line going back and forth instead of individual strokes stretching all the way across the plane from edge to edge. Don't allow yourself to be sloppy - if you get tired, take a break, but never give into the urge to do any less than the best you are capable of.

Lastly, I'd like to point out that you did skip an important step - that is, going back over your boxes and reflecting upon your mistakes, marking in corrections with a different coloured pen. Drawing through your boxes has made a trend of far planes being larger than near planes. Actually going back and drawing in the corrected lines will help you become more aware of these mistakes, so you can consciously compensate for them in the future.

Anyway, I'll leave you to do that for yourself - you need not resubmit them, just make sure you do the corrections as reflection and identification of your mistakes is a big part of the learning process. Aside form that, nice work completing the challenge.

Carlton_Honeycomb

2016-06-28 18:27

Thank you, and yes, I will do the corrections. I completely forgot about that, but as I look at my boxes, I can see the near/far plan mistakes. Thanks for the timely response, I'm excited to dive further into these lessons!!!

lu2lu2a

2016-06-28 16:57

It took me a month to do it, but I finally finished the 250 box challenge. The photos are here. Thanks a ton :)

Uncomfortable

2016-06-28 18:23

Nice work completing the challenge. I have just two recommendations to offer. Firstly, when going back over to do your corrections, don't just circle areas you believe to be incorrect. Actually draw in the correct line, so you can figure out in more exact terms what the mistake was. This will make you significantly more aware of the mistakes you tend to make, and will allow you to compensate for them more effectively in the future.

The other point is about line weight - I see that you added considerably more weight to the lines that are facing the viewer (as opposed to those on the opposite side of the form, which were added in order to draw through the whole thing). I fully understand why you added extra weight to those, but one thing to be aware of is how your application of weight impacts the general cohesion of the form. By having your thickest lines on the inside, this breaks the form apart. Ideally you want to have your thickest lines be those along the silhouette of the form, so that they to some degree enclose the overall form. I talk about this more here: Line Weight.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

lu2lu2a

2016-06-29 02:14

Thank you so much!

[deleted]

2016-07-01 13:58

Hello,

finished the 250 box challenge after procrastinating for so long. Here's the link: http://imgur.com/a/epEuG

I still feel like my boxes need a lot of practise. Nevertheless is it ok if I move up to lesson 2?

Thank you!

Uncomfortable

2016-07-01 17:55

Fundamentally, a lot of the things we cover in the first two lessons, as well as the box/cylinder challenges aren't things we nail immediately. It takes time and persistent practice, these big groupings (as far as quantity goes) are really just a sort of forced opportunity to get familiar with them. To put it simply, you're welcome to move onto the next lesson.

There's two things I want to point out about your set here. Three, actually, but the third is really just pointing out how immensely rushed and sloppy your last 25 or so boxes were. Don't ever let yourself do sloppy work - if you get tired or bored, take a break and come back to it later. Sloppy work is a waste of time, and doesn't benefit you at all, and may reinforce bad habits. To extend that point, don't draw things so small, as it limits your ability to think through spatial problems, and don't apply hatching lines so poorly. Take the time to stretch them across the plane from edge to edge, rather than leaving them floating - that is, if you decide t o draw them at all.

Onto the other two points. Firstly, when drawing through a form, never rely on a dashed or broken line. As soon as a line is broken, its integrity comes into question - when you attempt to resume the line, it will almost certainly have deviated from its original path. This defeats the purpose of the line in the first place. Use a single, solid line instead. Don't worry about the fact that the line is technically not supposed to be visible - we aren't in the business of drawing pretty pictures here, we're focusing on understanding how things sit in 3D space. If you're worried about getting confused about which lines are in the back, and which are in front, applying hatching lines (patiently) to your front faces can help distinguish them.

The other point I wanted to make is that you are still showing a lot of instances of far planes being larger than your near planes - even in the boxes with your corrections. This is something you need to work towards identifying on your own. A few that come to mind with this problem are 207, 95, 115. There are many others, but those came up at a glance.

Anyway, like I said. Keep practicing the basic exercises, but feel free to move ahead to the next lesson as you do so.

Ahsoothe

2016-07-01 15:33

Hey Uncomfortable! I hope you had a nice break! I marked the last boxes on each page so you can find them easily.

Here is my submission http://imgur.com/a/pXxOb

Uncomfortable

2016-07-01 17:56

Pretty nice work. I noticed that 250 is a bit questionable (it might be fully isometric, or the far plane might be slightly larger than the near plane) but the rest of your boxes are generally quite well done. Keep up the great work.

Ahsoothe

2016-07-02 07:52

Thanks for the feedback!

kirbycat_

2016-07-01 17:20

I'm sorry, I originally posted this in Lesson 1 since I didn't know there was a separate page for the boxes. I deleted my earlier post. Here is my submission for the 250 box challenge. Thanks! I had a hard time visualizing the box with the "unseen" lines added, so I did them as dotted lines for awhile. I hope that's okay. Then I tried to go back to solid lines after I got some practice.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-01 18:02

It's kind of funny that you should ask if drawing the 'unseen' lines is okay - it's actually one of the tips I include in the notes themselves (under 'draw through your forms'). That said, the way you did it (at least for many of the boxes) is not something I would recommend in any circumstances. That is, using broken lines.

As soon as a line is broken, its integrity comes into question - when you attempt to resume the line, it will almost certainly have deviated from its original path. This defeats the purpose of the line in the first place. Use a single, solid line instead. Don't worry about the fact that the line is technically not supposed to be visible - we aren't in the business of drawing pretty pictures here, we're focusing on understanding how things sit in 3D space. If you're worried about getting confused about which lines are in the back, and which are in front, applying hatching lines to your front faces can help distinguish them.

The boxes themselves are generally okay, and they improve over the set. The broken lines sometimes send the angles of those hidden lines off a bit, but the general construction of the boxes is still fairly decent. When you started off, you were definitely still very much in the headspace of relying on explicit (or somewhat explicit) vanishing points, resulting in boxes with very dramatic foreshortening, but I'm glad that you fairly quickly moved away from this approach.

So, keep up the good work, and congratulations on completing the challenge.

kirbycat_

2016-07-01 19:01

Oh yeah, I was more asking if it was okay to draw through the forms with broken lines rather than solid lines, which I now know is not okay! I was just having a hard time thinking about where the unseen lines would actually be and at what angles/corners, and when I drew them as solid lines my brain would get confused and I wasn't able to tell if they were "right" or "wrong." So the broken lines helped me visualize, but I definitely noticed myself getting sloppy with them, so I totally understand why they're a bad idea. Hatching the front faces probably would have had the same effect I was going for in helping me visualize, so I'll do that from now on in my warm-ups. Thanks for the help!

tytussle

2016-07-02 11:51

https://imgur.com/a/Yb4f6

There it is, all 250. And here's my brain going through the challenge:

25 boxes: "I can get into this!" - 50 boxes: "This might take awhile." - 75 boxes: "I hate boxes." - 100 boxes: "I really hate boxes." - 125 boxes: "Boxes are the devil." - 150 boxes: "I'm getting into this." - 175 boxes: "Dum-di-do, box, box, box." - 200 boxes: "I'm groovin' on these boxes." - 225 boxes: "I'm almost there." - 250 boxes: "Is that all? I kind of want more."

I stopped marking so much after 94 because I was doing so much nitpicking. Most of the mistakes were pretty obvious to me without marking them so I didn't feel the need to continue marking every little divergent/curved/wobbly line unless I felt it was really bad. Also, the drawing through helped to visualize a lot of the mistakes better.

I did mess around a little bit with line weight and it seemed okay for the most part, but I'm not entirely certain about the best methods of adding it in. I was tracing over the lines like with the "superimposed line" exercise in lesson 1. Is there a better way? Different methods for different lines?

So at this point I'm looking at the cylinder challenge as well as lesson 2 and doing them concurrently. Should I do one before the other or is working on them together fine?

Thanks for your feedback!

Uncomfortable

2016-07-02 17:22

Pretty nice work. Your box constructions have improved considerably, especially once you started drawing through them. I definitely want to stress that your hatching lines are kinda sloppy though - make sure your lines reach all the way across the plane from edge to edge. Don't leave any floating arbitrarily in the middle.

When it comes to line weight, there's no real trick to it - it's one of the many reasons that continuing to practice these early exercises as you move forwards is important - as the super imposed lines exercise helps you to practice for scenarios such as these.

Feel free to tackle the cylinder challenge as you see fit. It'd be good to get a decent amount of it done before you hit the form intersections, but the other exercises in lesson 2 don't really rely upon what you'll learn in the challenge.

Congrats on completing the challenge!

tytussle

2016-07-02 20:24

Thanks so much for the feedback!

I'll admit that the hatching was done hastily and is definitely sloppy as a result. It was more an afterthought than anything else. The idea behind them was to show which sides of the boxes were facing toward the viewer and nothing more, considering how drawing through the boxes added extra lines which could cause a lot of confusion. I wanted to portray which side was intended to face the viewer, even if that side was horribly misshapen, so that it'd be easier to find as point out the mistakes in the box construction itself even when looking at it later.

I'll keep it in mind though to keep everything consistent and clean, as it all has an impact on the image as a whole.

Chinny4daWinny

2016-07-02 15:53

[Here's my 250 Box Challenge submission.

](http://imgur.com/a/9puZL)

I stared off okay, then got better after 60+. In the time before I the blue squiggly line I was drawing them consistently. After that I did one a day since I dreaded this challenge and it was feeling mundane so those boxes look bad. After that page I finished the next 80? in one sitting so I started reclaiming my motor skills and they got better.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-02 17:26

Your constructions are improving steadily. I'm glad to see the extensive corrections that you applied (some people get lazy in this area), and your redlines seem to be on point. I do want to stress the importance of being mindful of your linework though - here and there your lines waver somewhat - keep working towards applying the ghosting method, to keep them straight and true.

Also, in the future you may feel the urge to draw things smaller - this, especially when it comes to constructional challenges which involve thinking through spatial problems, is a bad idea. Your brain often requires more space to think and figure things out, so drawing a bit larger is usually better.

Anyway, nice work completing the challenge.

Chinny4daWinny

2016-07-02 17:46

Got it Uncomfortable. Thank you for your critique. I'll start lesson 2.

pruffins

2016-07-02 16:22

Hi Uncomfortable!

Here is my submission for this challenge.

http://imgur.com/a/7t3gr

I used the "Y" method as described in the video and it helped me quite a lot. Look forward to your advice!

Uncomfortable

2016-07-02 17:28

I'm glad the Y method helped! Your box constructions are improving, but be mindful of your line quality. They're wobbling and wavering here and there, so you'll want to keep working on the ghosting method to keep them straight. I talk about it in this comic.

Nice work completing the challenge though - just be sure to keep up with your exercises as you continue to move forwards. These kinds of things take time and practice to fix, so you will improve as long as you don't leave the exercises behind.

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2016-07-02 20:42

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Uncomfortable

2016-07-03 15:10

I can't speak about the dysgraphia - aside from knowing that there are some artists who have it that have managed to overcome the additional challenges (like this person who posted about having dysgraphia five years ago. All I can do is critique you as I would critique anyone else. One thing I don't tolerate, however, are your three questions. "Should I give up?" That's up to you, but the weight of your whining is not something that should be weighed upon my shoulders. If you choose not to give up, then you should be willing to do whatever it takes to reach your goal.

Anyway, about your boxes - your lines certainly are wobbly (look at this page from your lesson 1 work, you are clearly capable of drawing the lines straight if you put in the effort). Beyond the wobbling though, a lot of your forms are all over the place - which is essentially fine, so long as you complete the next step that was listed on the challenge page, to go over your completed work with a different coloured pen and to mark in the correct lines after reflecting upon your mistakes. I see none of that reflection, which is entirely necessary to improve. You can't simply draw and keep bullishly ploughing on forward, you need to look back at what you've drawn, identify what went wrong and correct it on the drawing so you will be more likely to remember it the next time.

What I see from you is something I see from a lot of people who believe (with varying degrees of validity) that they are predisposed to be "shite". Beyond the additional challenges they face, their presupposition that they won't succeed no matter how hard they try drives them to not try that hard at all. They rush, they skip steps, all because they think themselves special and different from the hundreds of people who've attempted the same work. Whether or not they are actually special or different is irrelevant - thinking you're a unique case won't help you, regardless of whether or not you are.

The last point I want to make is that a few times through your set, you got bored, and drew boxy letters, rather than boxes. This is something that you must absolutely not do. It's not about the boxy letters, it's about letting your boredom allow you to stray from my explicit instructions. When you do my lessons, when you submit them for critique, you do them exactly as I have stated. You follow them to a tee. You draw your boxes, focusing entirely on understanding how each one sits in space, and focusing as best you can to apply the ghosting method, and then once your 250 are done, you go back over them to identify your mistakes and mark in your corrections.

It's not about doing it perfectly - it's about doing the best you can. From what I can see, even in the area that your condition poses its greatest challenge, you are capable of doing better since you've demonstrated that ability in the past. You just need to stop wallowing in self pity and do the work.

You drew 250 boxes, so technically you've completed the challenge. Of course, it's not like completion of these lessons mean that you're done with the exercises. As I describe here, you're saddled with them for eternity. So you'd better get used to it. You don't have to limit yourself to just these exercises, and you certainly should spend plenty of time drawing whatever you want, but you'd be wise to a little each day.

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2016-07-04 21:40

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Uncomfortable

2016-07-04 21:56

I want to make clear that what I said was merely about technicalities. I don't want to argue.

I totally get it, and I'm glad that you responded. You're in a position a lot of people put themselves in - and while it may not seem like a matter of being 'special' it very much is. When faced with challenges, we are given two options - we can either fight tooth and nail to achieve our goals, or we can stop and give up.

Giving up is remarkably difficult - not as difficult as pushing onwards, but one cannot easily call it quits without hating themselves. And so, we look for reasons why others could continue where we could not. We try to set ourselves apart from the rest, we try to make ourselves special, special in the sense that it's okay for us to stop.

The best way to approach this problem is to give up your agency. Let someone else - in this case, me - tell you exactly what to do, and to follow those instructions as closely as you possibly can. No room to interpret, no room to add flairs or personal touches, just following orders. Your own mind is filled with doubts and worries, filled with excuses and reasonings why you had to do things a little differently, why you had to deviate from the plan. This is completely normal - I can tell you this from experience, because I was filled with a million excuses myself when I was younger.

For the corrections, there's no need to add any sort of commentary. All I want you to do is go back over the boxes with a different coloured pen, and where you see mistakes - like, say where a far plane is larger than a near plane - draw in the correct lines. No arrows, no circling, just corrections.

As for the difference between the ghosting exercise and actually applying that method to drawing something a little more complex, you're absolutely right. It is a lot more challenging, and it's a struggle. You're taking something that you were fully capable of, and you're adding more steps. Instead of juggling one ball, you're now juggling three.

But you can simplify the problem. Remember that the ghosting method starts off with marking out your start and end points - your A and your B. There's no reason why you can't think through your box construction by laying out points first, and then applying the ghosting method to connect those points together with straight, smooth lines. If you try and tackle it all at once, you will be overwhelmed. If you break it up into smaller bits, and tackle those challenges one at a time, you'll have less to deal with. It'll take longer, but you do have time.

Ultimately, if your arm gets tired, then take a break. You've done the challenge itself, so you've no need to draw another 250 boxes - but it is absolutely in your best interest to throw some boxes into your warmup routine. Keep in mind that you're using muscles here that haven't had much training - it's like walking after a lifetime of sitting down. Those muscles will get stronger, so long as you keep practicing.

There's one last thing I wanted to say - though those lines are wobbly, you're not outside of the range of submission quality I've come to see over the past couple years of doing this. Keep that in mind - despite your condition, you are still standing here with the rest of us, still pushing all the same. Your dysgraphia may make you work harder, but that will ultimately be something to be proud of when you look back on your accomplishments.

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2016-07-12 20:06

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Uncomfortable

2016-07-13 18:38

242, on the first page, is a good example of a box whose far plane is larger than its near plane. This is what you want to look out for, and ultimately correct (by having your lines converge just slightly as they move further away from the viewer). The corrections you should be drawing focus on identifying your mistakes - not so much in terms of wobbly lines, but in the mistakes in your understanding of space. That concept of further away = smaller is something you need to grind on quite a bit. Going over all of your boxes and finding the ones that contradict this basic rule, and ultimately drawing in the correct lines, is what will gradually allow you to identify these mistakes more easily, and then ultimately stop making them altogether.

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2016-07-02 22:05

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Uncomfortable

2016-07-03 15:57

Your boxes are looking pretty good, so good work completing the challenge. It does appear that you could have done better to read the notes on the challenge page more carefully though. Most importantly, the bit about going over your boxes with a different coloured pen to mark out corrections and identify mistakes is important. Another important bit is to practice applying line weights to your forms.

That said, you did the main core of the challenge very well. Just be more mindful of following instructions, as this will bite you in the ass in the future.

nerdy_geek_girl

2016-07-04 00:17

Here is my 250 box challenge. I never found this boring! Every box was a new challenge. I know I need to keep working and improving, so I'm going to include boxes as part of my daily warm up.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-04 19:18

Good work completing the challenge. One thing you definitely need to be more mindful of are the issues where your near/far plane's size relationships are reversed. You're doing this quite a bit, all throughout your set so this makes me wonder if you're aware of it.

For example, if you look at box 249, the base of it is very clearly considerably larger than the top. Considering that in 3D space, these two planes are identical in size, the rules of perspective state that the one that is farther away should be smaller.

I'm glad to see that you managed to finish off the whole set, and your sense of space and construction is improving steadily - just make sure that you push yourself to be more aware of these kinds of mistakes. Including them in your warmup is definitely a good idea.

Anyway, congrats on completing the challenge!

Yupichi

2016-07-04 20:16

Hello, Uncomfortable! After about 2 months, I've finally finished this. Here's my submission: http://imgur.com/a/KxShe

I can actually see which boxes were the ones I drew after a few days of break O.O

As always, thank you!

Uncomfortable

2016-07-05 20:12

Pretty nice work! Your boxes are clearly improving over the set, both in form and in confidence. It does appear that you need more work on applying line weight, but that's not entirely abnormal - it can be challenging, and you have to remember to maintain the confidence of your stroke whilst sticking to the line you're drawing. The super imposed lines exercise from lesson 1 should help with this.

About one of those last boxes, 249 - the angles are off, causing the farther end of the box to be considerably larger than the near one.

Anyway, nice work completing the challenge.

Yupichi

2016-07-06 07:59

Thank you so much for the feedback!!

badjoedude

2016-07-05 00:05

250 Box Challenge http://imgur.com/a/hQwio

I'm pretty awful at predicting how long my lines should and were the angles should be thus causing there to be a bunch of little tails on my boxes. Joys of working in pen instead pencil lol

Uncomfortable

2016-07-05 20:20

There's lots of room to improve, but completing this challenge is a big step towards that. Looking at your set, it really does look like your focus decreased as you went through it, almost as though you tried to complete the whole thing in one sitting. That would certainly be silly. Working while you're tired is going to cause you to do sloppy work, so it's better to take breaks in between and space it out.

About your issues with predicting - remember that the ghosting method (which you should be applying to each and every mark you draw) starts off by setting out the start and end points of the line. You can plot out your box prior to drawing the lines themselves by setting out these points. Also, it was very unwise of you to stop drawing through your forms. When you started doing that, it seemed to be less about thinking about how each box fits together, and more about just completing the challenge.

Lastly, drawing your corrections in highlighter was probably not the best decision. The corrections (which should be done for the entire set) are not just about identifying mistakes, but marking in the correct lines. You can't really do that with a large highlighter.

I'm marking the challenge as complete, but only on the technicality that you did draw 250 boxes. You need to work a lot more on this, and do so conscientiously. As it stands, your current sense of form and 3D space is going to make the form intersections in the next lesson very difficult for you.

poussinbleu

2016-07-05 17:06

Hello, Uncomfortable. Here is my submission for the 250 boxes challenge: http://imgur.com/a/0gOxr

I have tried to hash the face that seems to be the closest to the viewer. Haven't always got it right though...

Thank you very much for the work you are doing. I have definitely learned a lot through this exercise.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-05 20:56

Excellent work. Confident lines, solid corrections/review, and solid forms. And seven extra boxes, oh my! Keep it up, and congratulations on completing the challenge.

Jazunka

2016-07-05 18:41

This is my attempt : http://imgur.com/a/Zsrml

Thanks for the feedback in advance.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-05 20:59

It's coming along decently. Couple things to be aware of:

  • When you put in your corrections, don't just identify lines you think are wrong. Actually draw in the correct lines on top of your current ones. Red pen tends to show up better for this purpose.

  • Your line weights do need work - right now you seem to be trying to use it in some places to identify which face is on the front, and which is in the back. Applying hatching lines to the front face can help clarify this, leaving you to apply line weight more correctly (slightly heavier lines around the silhouette of the form, lighter lines on the interior, and slightly heavier still towards one side to give the impression of dynamism and dimension).

Anyway, good work completing the challenge.

Azuru-blade

2016-07-05 23:19

Hey Uncomfortable! I just started this challenge and I've been using my shoulder to draw the lines, but the lines are getting a little wobbly and are longer than I want, even after using the ghosting method. Should I keep using it? Will it get better over time?

Uncomfortable

2016-07-06 00:03

Yes, keep at it. This stuff won't produce results immediately, you have to keep pushing yourself to find a pace that will allow your brain to stop course-correcting as you draw. It takes a great deal of practice to really get comfortable with using the ghosting method, it's not just a matter of doing it or not, it's a matter of figuring out the nuance and rhythm of doing it correctly. This takes time.

1eowo1f

2016-07-06 07:44

Hi again Uncomfortable,

Did the "250" box challenge. http://imgur.com/a/RCx4t

The numbering is a bit funny for the first few pages, but it generally goes top to bottom, right to left.

There's two cubes labeled 3, two labeled 286 and I missed 247 and 259, so it evens out.

It was really quite noticeable in the beginning when I started drawing through the boxes exactly how much the far plane was bigger than the fore plane. I must say I didn't notice it nearly as much without drawing through them.

I would have liked to do some more significant foreshortening, but filling a page with boxes of lots of different rates of foreshortening makes them all look off. I guess that's something I'll work on when I practice drawing more boxes.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-06 18:48

That's a whole lot of boxes! You certainly improve over the set - one thing that I do notice though is that near the end you start getting a little sloppy with your linework - things don't meet at corners properly, lines waver a little, etc. Pushing yourself a little is fine, but working when you're really tired and getting very sloppy is going to build up bad habits.

Also, when doing your corrections, don't just identify mistakes, actually draw in the correct lines. I notice that you kinda fell off in terms of doing corrections - for example 299's near/far plane situation is way off.

Anyway, you're heading in the right direction. There is room for improvement, but it's coming along. I think you've certainly drawn plenty of boxes for now, so feel free to move onto lesson 2 when you're ready.

1eowo1f

2016-07-07 09:05

Thanks for the feedback Uncomfortable!

I'll definitely keep practicing them.

And on to lesson 2. The big pile of sausages looks like it will be fun.

SpringConstantK

2016-07-06 18:06

I finished the 250 boxes. I think I have a greater sense for how cubes have depth. Thank you for your time and review.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-06 19:19

You're definitely making some headway - when you started off, your boxes were a bit of a mess, and upon finishing, they're considerably more solid. Still plenty of room to improve, both in box construction and line confidence, but you're getting there.

One thing I want to stress is the importance of drawing all of your lines with confidence. I can see instances where you're trying to draw your 'hidden' lines more faintly, but as a result they tend to be straight less often than your more confident lines. I totally get why you chose to do this - to differentiate between the two sets of lines so you know which planes face the viewer - but there are better ways. For instance, after you've drawn all of the lines, applying the ghosting method and executing each one with confidence, you can add hatching to one of the front-facing faces.

Anyway, keep up the good work, and congratulations on completing the challenge.

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2016-07-11 02:10

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Uncomfortable

2016-07-11 22:21

Nice work completing the challenge. One thing you can keep in mind - when doing corrections, the most effective way to do it is to actually draw in the correct lines. You'll get much more out of that than simply circling things and writing notes.

[deleted]

2016-07-11 17:17

Here are boxes aplenty.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-11 22:58

Well done. I do see your sense of form and space improving over the set. I have a couple concerns though, that you should keep in mind for the future.

  1. As you go through the set, the further you go, the more dramatic your foreshortening seems to get. That is, the far plane becomes smaller relative to the near plane, and does so much quicker. It's important for you to be able to work both in shallow and dramatic perspective, but shallower perspective (where the far and near faces are fairly similar in size) is much more useful, as it implies a much more relatable scale. Dramatic perspective on the other hand speaks to large scale, like seeing the top of a tall building from the ground.

  2. When doing corrections, don't just circle your mistakes - actually draw in the correct line. While identifying your mistakes does help to a degree, actually figuring out what the correct line would be is significantly more beneficial, and will help you recognize what you need to work on much more effectively.

Anyway, congratulations on completing the challenge.

[deleted]

2016-07-12 15:09

Thanks for the critique! I was already overdoing the perspective on the organic arrows, so this helped pull me back.

Is it just me, or does drawing involve a balance of focus and letting go? Focus on where the line should go, focus on ghosting, and then letting go when it's actually time to put ink to paper, hoping the hand does when it's been trained to do (since focus at that moment can cause wobbly lines)?

If this is completely wrong and I've got my head up my butt, feel free let me know.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-12 15:43

Yeah, that's more or less what it is. Letting go might not be the best wording, but you're essentially doing everything you can to prepare, and then trusting that your arm muscles know how to do what they're told.

[deleted]

2016-07-12 17:59

Cool. Thanks.

Vauxhaven

2016-07-14 06:11

http://imgur.com/a/0lXzv

Honestly, I don't think I improved that much :/ Trying to add line weight through repeating the line only made them look crap 99% of the time. Is there another way to do it, or should I just spend more time practising superimposed lines?

I think I could do with doing several hundred boxes more, and I think I will, but at least these first 250 are done.

Thank you for your time :)

Uncomfortable

2016-07-14 23:29

Your boxes are looking good, and they certainly improve over the set. Your application of line weight isn't particularly disappointing either, so I think you're being too hard on yourself. You're not going to achieve anything close to perfection this early on - but yes, you're right, the superimposed lines exercise will help with this.

On the topic of line weights though, one thing I did notice was that you generally applied more weight to the front lines (to differentiate the near/far sides of the box, since you were drawing through them as requested). The problem here is that in the notes, I talk about the importance of keeping your internal lines lighter and your external lines - the ones that define the silhouette - a touch heavier. You missed this last part, and as a result had heavier internal lines, which worked against a general sense of cohesion and togetherness for each box.

A better approach to distinguish the faces that are oriented towards the viewer is to pick one and fill it with simple hatching lines.

Anyway, keep up the good work. Congrats on completing the challenge.

FallenRapture

2016-07-14 15:39

I completed the 250 box challenge. I started off rather rough as you can most likely see. It was hard to break my sketchy, fix issues real quick reflex, but I think it's gotten better by the end of this challenge.

Some of the fix lines are kind of hard to see. The only different colored pen I had around was a purple pen. Sorry about that.

Also a good patience teacher for me. Thanks for getting on me about it. Really did help me rethink through my work ethic. I'm pounding away through lesson 2, but might be a little bit before I'm done. Here's the link! and thanks again!

Uncomfortable

2016-07-14 23:44

You definitely do improve over the set. A couple things to keep in mind though is:

  • I'm still seeing some near/far plane size relationship issues. They're not obvious, and therefore not dire, but they are there so you should work towards being able to catch them on your own.

  • Remember that the ghosting method, by nature, doesn't allow you to make those quick reflexive corrections. It's not so much a matter of altering how you draw right now, but rather approaching it from a completely different angle. Thinking before every mark you put down. Generally though you are improving on keeping that reflex down, though there's more room to grow.

  • Another benefit the ghosting method has that you do not seem to be making much use of is that the first step requires you to put down a point at the beginning and end of the line you wish to draw. This means that you can plot out the majority of your box before drawing any lines at all, rather than guessing as to where the lines should go and hoping for the best.

Anyway, good work completing the challenge.

slavingia

2016-07-15 02:21

Whee! Here you are: http://imgur.com/a/76wve

Uncomfortable

2016-07-15 19:07

Nice work. The general confidence and solidity of your constructions has definitely improved over your set. I'm really pleased to see the wealth of corrections. Keep up the great work, and consider this challenge complete!

slavingia

2016-07-15 22:44

I appreciate the kind words. Onwards!

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2016-07-15 03:45

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Uncomfortable

2016-07-15 19:17

Your boxes are coming along well. One thing to keep in mind when doing corrections is that you should always focus on the sort where you actually draw in the correct lines. It isn't terribly useful to point out wobbly lines and such, because those aren't the result of a conscious decision, but rather stuff that will improve as you practice. Here you want to keep your eye on mistakes you made because you did not understand how the lines should behave. Those are the sort for which you can always actually draw the correct lines in after the fact.

As you continue to move forwards, make sure you try to play with your use of lineweight (which was mentioned in the notes for this challenge).

I only mention that because you alternated between drawing in the lines, and writing notes/circling things.

As for your funnels, they still do need work. Your third (on the bottom of the page) is wrong, in that the line (the minor axis) is cutting through the wider dimension. That would make it the major axis rather than the minor axis (review the notes in the ellipse section, there's a diagram showing the anatomy of an ellipse).

The other two are getting there, though you're still having trouble pinching down the degree of your ellipses, as they're still fairly consistent except where you hit the center.

Think of it this way - your furthest extremes should be circles, and your absolute middle should be so narrow that it's basically a flat line. Don't be afraid to let your ellipses overlap.

Anyway, keep up the good work. While you've got a ways to go, you're making good progress, and may consider this challenge complete.

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2016-07-17 07:30

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Uncomfortable

2016-07-17 17:47

Nice work! Your sense of space overall does seem to improve over the set. One thing that I do want to advise you against though is the super thick outlines you've added here and there (kinda looks like it was an attempt at correcting little mistakes or something). Regardless of why you drew them, you always want to be nuanced with your use of line weight. If you start getting super thick, it's going to have the unwanted conesquence of flattening the overall shape out, making it more graphic.

In general though you're doing well, and your corrections seem to be on point. Keep up the good work!

Ezechield

2016-07-17 18:18

Hi, here is my 250 box challenge as you sugested.

It appear that was quite hard to keep the focus up on this more than an half hour so as you will see the box quality kind of goes up and down during the process. But genearly I think I've improved my box.

Thanks for your help.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-17 18:30

Generally pretty good. There is some wonkiness here and there that you should go back and draw corrections for (as the challenge page mentioned, you should go over your completed work with a different coloured pen, drawing in the correct lines where you feel you made mistakes). Still, the confidence and solidity of the constructions is coming along fairly well.

As for keeping your focus up, when you feel it waning, it's always important to give yourself a break so the quality does not rise and fall needlessly.

Anyway, good work completing the challenge.

Blade_of_souls

2016-07-18 17:08

Hi there, I have had a go at the 250 box challenge, I still have lapses on near/far plane, but I am getting there as time goes on, my problem is just estimating where the line should end up, after the drawing the Y it should just be a case of parallel lines, but getting them parallel and the same length is another matter, anyway here is the link.

http://imgur.com/a/YAlr6

Uncomfortable

2016-07-18 17:14

Pretty well done - your boxes are generally improving in subtle ways across the set. Ultimately a lot of it really comes from practice - like you said, the Y is fairly straightforward, but getting the other lines parallel is another matter entirely. Moreover, if they were truly parallel, it wouldn't be so bad, but it's more difficult than even that - they have to be parallel in 3D space, which means that in an ideal world, they all converge at the exact same far off point... which is next to impossible when done by eye alone. But we can be close!

On the point of getting your lines the same length, one helpful point to keep in mind is that the ghosting method's first step simply involves putting down points at the start and end of a line segment. By putting down the points of your corners before drawing anymore lines, you can help estimate these lengths without really having to commit.

Anyway, nice work completing the challenge.

Blade_of_souls

2016-07-18 18:24

Yeah you can probably pick up on random dots around the boxes where I tried to estimate but took a second look and moved it again sometimes multiple times. Anyway onto the next lesson/challenges.

gmarcc

2016-07-18 23:12

Hey, you can find my submission for the challenge here : http://imgur.com/a/RGeFR .

I became increasingly frustrated with finding the "back lines" and past a certain point, i began to sloppily churn out boxes as fast as i could... Which surprisingly helped a lot!

Something seemed to click in my mind and,while slowing down, i became a bit more confident with my boxes around the 190 mark!

Anyway, thank you for taking the time to look at my shitty drawings :D

Uncomfortable

2016-07-19 19:39

Pretty nice work. One thing that jumps out at me is that a lot of your boxes tend to have somewhat dramatic foreshortening applied to them. Not ridiculously dramatic, just tending in that direction. It's important to practice both dramatic and shallow foreshortening - the latter is somewhat more useful, as dramatic foreshortening speaks to very large scale objects, while the majority of things we'll be drawing will be much more shallow.

That said, your boxes are looking solid, and you're making good use of line weight. Your corrections also appear to be by and large on point. Keep up the good work, and consider this challenge complete.

CupOfLifenoodles

2016-07-19 01:46

Here's my submission

I am still struggling with straight lines, especially when I want to draw a lightweight lines. I do spend a lot of time ghosting and draw it with a quick stroke. And I usually warmed up before working on this challenge with the ghosting exercise from lesson 1 at different angles.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-19 19:58

Generally fairly well done. The biggest concern I have comes with your corrections, in that what you're correcting isn't really a great use of your time. Don't worry about technical mistakes, focus on mistakes of understanding (where you drew a line thinking it was correct at the time, and then realized upon revisiting it that it was wrong). In this scenario, draw the correct line, don't just circle it.

These mistakes most often lead to issues with near/far planes being reversed (far plane being larger). I caught a few of these in your boxes which went undetected because you were preoccupied with identifying casual slip-ups. It's important that you go back over them and do your corrections in this manner, so that you become more aware of those particular mistakes and ultimately become more capable of consciously compensating for your tendencies in future attempts.

Aside form that, your boxes are looking quite solid. Keep up the good work, I'll be marking this challenge as complete.

liam_01

2016-07-19 04:53

It's taken a while, though I finally had time to upload these. 250 Box Challenge

Sorry that the file order is entirely messed up...

Overall, my line work is still quite crappy, though I think definitely understand how the box is constructed and how each angle relates to each other as well as the idea of near and far planes. I definitely need to continue practising these, especially my line skills as I still find that adjusting my grip of the pen or arm position has dramatic effects on my line quality and am only starting to figure out what works and what doesn't.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-19 20:04

There's a few points I'd like to raise:

  • Apply the ghosting method. That is, think and plan before every line, don't allow yourself to draw by reflex (like when you immediately draw another mark after drawing a line). It's a very bad habit - not an uncommon one, but one you should work towards shaking off.

  • The ghosting method's first step, if you remember, involves placing start/end points for every line. You can get a general sense of how you're constructing your box without committing if you lay down the corner points, instead of drawing each line one at a time, and hoping the box comes together.

  • When you make a mistake, and you recognize it, don't correct immediately. Leave it be. The reason I encourage you to do your corrections afterwards in a different coloured pen is to break the connection between drawing and correcting. Generally when you make a mistake, correcting it will just draw more attention to it. By separating corrections into a separate process after you've completed the challenge, you can gain the benefit of reflecting upon your work without reinforcing bad habits.

  • When you correct, don't circle mistakes or make superfluous notes, as these aren't things you'll remember - actually draw the correct line in. Focus more on issues where you thought a line was correct when you drew it, but came back to realize it was wrong. Mistakes such as these often lead to near/far plane issues.

Anyway, nice work completing the challenge. You certainly need to focus on identifying your near/far plane issues rather than being distracted by other things, and you'd benefit immensely from actually applying the ghosting method, but generally your box constructions are becoming more confident.

liam_01

2016-07-20 01:28

Thanks!

I'll continue practising boxes to get a better hold of the ghosting method. I do need to start thinking every line through; though as soon as I start start something, I tend to rush through it too impulsively, so I'll work on that as well. I assume that the next lesson, Lesson 2: organic forms, is up next?

Uncomfortable

2016-07-20 01:29

Yup, the next one would be lesson 2.

ferminev

2016-07-19 14:59

It took some days, but here is my submission for the challenge. It definitely improved my perception of 3D space. However, I think my boxes seem to get worse instead of better, and that's because halfway through I realized I was only drawing from my wrist, so I started using my elbow as a pivot instead (really tried the shoulder but I just couldn't make it work). Also, at about box #180 I came to check other submissions and read that I was supposed to be correcting them with another color after every page so I kinda just started doing it after there.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-19 20:25

Very nice work - your confidence steadily improves, and overall your boxes are solid and you're making great use of line weight to reinforce the general sense of weight. Your corrections are also all going in the right direction. Keep up the good work, and consider this challenge complete!

ferminev

2016-07-19 21:21

Thanks! By the way I really like this badge system, it motivates me to complete lessons!

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2016-07-21 00:50

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Uncomfortable

2016-07-21 18:50

Nicely done. A little sparse on the corrections, but the ones you did put in seem to be correct. One thing I do want to point out though is that in your attempt to differentiate the lines on the near side vs the far side of the box (to diminish the confusion that comes from drawing through your forms), you've undermined the solidity and cohesion of the boxes themselves a bit. That is, by having internal lines within your silhouette carry the same weight as those along the edges. Rather than making the internal lines thicker, a rather helpful way to differentiate the two sides of the box would be to fill one near plane in with simple, consistent hatching that stretches from edge to edge. This tends to clarify things fairly easily without undermining any of the basic solidity and integrity of the form.

Aside form that, well done! You may consider this challenge complete.

Azuru-blade

2016-07-22 18:45

Hey! :)

Finally, I was able to finish the 250 Box Challenge. I'm not sure how I did, because the "draw through" were a little difficult to understand, but I think I started understanding them better on the last boxes, I hope.

Anyways, here it is my homework

Thank you! :)

Uncomfortable

2016-07-22 19:47

Very nice work! Your boxes are looking pretty good. I do think you were a little lax on your corrections, though - you've got a few that you didn't catch that show far planes larger than their corresponding near planes (though they're very subtle and easy to miss). One random example would be 208, though like I said, it's a slight divergence of your parallel lines as they move further from the viewer.

Anyway, keep up the good work and consider this challenge complete.

Azuru-blade

2016-07-24 13:04

Thank you so much for the feedback! ^^

TamingSpyro

2016-07-24 00:13

This took awhile, but here it is! http://imgur.com/a/7rHQ2

I have an urge to do another 250 because I KNOW that my lines are pretty shiet, but fuck it here it is.

Also, it took me about 2 minutes to draw a box, am I doing it too quickly or too slowly?

Uncomfortable

2016-07-24 16:46

Your individual lines are fine. They're confident, fairly straight, and smooth. The problem is that you don't think before every single mark you put down. If, after drawing a line, you feel you made a mistake, you immediately follow it up with another stroke. This leads to messy linework, and it draws attention to those perceived mistakes. You need to stop drawing by reflex - if you make a mistake, stop yourself. Don't correct it, just move on.

The whole reason that I insist people go over their work afterwards with a different coloured pen is so that they can gain something from correcting their mistakes without falling into the trap of immediately fixing a line just after drawing it. Also, when you correct after the fact, don't just circle things you think are wrong, actually draw the correct line (that's why you should do it with a different colour, so they can be separated out).

In general though, your constructions are confident, but your sense of space is still weak, in that you've got a lot of near/far plane problems that you haven't identified, and areas where your angles are off. Long story short, you're doing well, but you do have a fair bit to work on - going back over your work and trying to identify those mistakes will help, but there's more practice to be done.

Anyway, you've completed the challenge, so congrats on that.

thinkandlive

2016-07-24 15:42

So I finally finished the challenge. https://imgur.com/a/TQlcq

There are alot of scratchy lines, some because the pen didn't work properly everytime. Thank you for your time and advice.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-24 18:53

You've done a pretty good job of completing the challenge. One thing that jumps out at me though is that you only did corrections on a few boxes on the first page - this is something you should do for the entire set, as you have many boxes where you're showing near/far plane size issues, and others where the angles are off. Going over your boxes, identifying mistakes and drawing in the correct lines is the best way to ensure that you work to improve on them in the future.

Also, while you mentioned that your lines are a little scratchy due to the dying pens, it's important to avoid situations where you draw a mark, and then immediately reinforce it with another stroke. Drawing by reflex like this is a very bad habit, and it undermines the basic principle of the ghosting method, which is that you should think and plan before every individual stroke you put down. It's also for this reason that I insist that you do your corrections afterwards, rather than immediately after drawing a box. This way you separate the steps, and don't encourage the habit of immediately correcting mistakes (which just draws more attention to them).

Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete.

thinkandlive

2016-07-24 20:17

Thank you for the fast answer. Could you please point out 1 or 2 numbers of boxes with said far/near plane issues? I don't really get which ones are problematic.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-24 20:22

223, 224, 229. Your second last page also has a lot of weird angles going on, such as 235 and 234.

thinkandlive

2016-07-24 20:27

ok, thank you I'll look into it.

thinkandlive

2016-07-25 17:13

So I tried to figure out some mistakes and especially with 223 it didn't seem wrong to my eye. I looked at some of the feedback you gave in this thread and did some construction for some of the boxes you mentioned. Are 223 and 229(accidentaly wrote 225 on the paper) wrong because of the slightly not converging lines or is there something else? If it is that then I think I got it although its hard to see for me. I got the wrong angles at 234 though. I think this explanation is really helpful. Maybe you can put it in the mistakes section of the box challenge. And this are the corrections I mentioned. Have a nice day :)

Tarrazan

2016-07-25 23:18

You asked me to do the 250 box and cyllinder challenges before i progressed to lesson 11 so here is the boxes : http://imgur.com/a/ZYqPh

I feel like i started to get it around box 150 or so. There is still a lot of room to improve of course, but i'm feeling much more comfortable around boxes, it took a long time to do, because i couldn't do much more than 20-30 boxes at a time before i became wildly unfocused and highly self-critical. I hope this is good enough. I certainly feel some improvement myself. :D

Uncomfortable

2016-07-26 20:29

Nice work completing the challenge. The biggest thing I believe you should be working on is the quality of your linework - rather than applying the ghosting method, I can see that you're allowing yourself to immediately reinforce each line you draw with more strokes, which is a very bad habit to develop. It's not uncommon, and most people do it at first, but you've been going through these lessons for now, and more than anything, I try to stress the importance of thinking and planning before every single mark you put down.

Another thing I would recommend is that you use hatching on one of the near faces of your box - this helps clarify which side of the box is near the viewer, and which side is pointed away. It can get somewhat confusing when drawing through your boxes. Ultimately this helps identify mistakes where your near planes end up being smaller than your far planes, which is one of the most common mistakes people make when drawing boxes. I do see a few cases of this at least, though with a lot of others it's hard to tell which side was intended to be the near plane and which was intended to be the far plane.

Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete.

Patmast

2016-07-27 16:05

I finished the challenge and here it comes. In the beginning I thought that it would be better to make the lines which go throught the forms in an other colour, but I stopped this as I realized that it doesn't look good :

http://imgur.com/a/H3f2j

Uncomfortable

2016-07-27 19:43

Nice work completing the challenge. Here are a few things to keep in mind:

  • When drawing the initial lines for a box (before coming back to add line weight) draw each line with only a single mark, and ensure that you apply the ghosting method to each. A lot of people have the habit of immediately reinforcing a line with another stroke - this is something to be avoided, as it results in hairy, sketchy lines and breaks away from the notion of thinking and planning before every mark. Same thing goes for fighting against the urge to immediately correct an incorrect line. The reason we come back after the set is done with a different coloured pen is to separate the notion of drawing from that of correcting. Any sort of reflexive drawing is bad.

  • Never use broken lines to draw through a form. As soon as a line is broken, its flow too is broken, and when you try to recapture it, it's inevitable that the direction will have shifted slightly, making it unreliable.

  • If you want to clarify which side is the front and which side is the back, pick one near plane and apply consistent, tight hatching lines across it.

  • Drawing smaller can leave you with much less room to think through spatial problems. Many of your boxes do appear to be quite small, so that is something to keep in mind.

SidewalkSquirrel

2016-07-29 09:21

Here's the submission for the challenge. http://imgur.com/a/lAJmK

I certainly grew more fond of boxes. I did realise after I uploaded the photos that I didn't finish going over the corrections on the second page. I'll complete them now. Either way any critique would be much appreciated. Thanks a lot.

Uncomfortable

2016-07-29 18:03

Great work! Nice use of line, solid corrections, and good use of line weight. Keep it up, and consider this challenge complete!

SidewalkSquirrel

2016-08-03 07:14

Thanks! I already started on the second lesson. I found that it was very helpful during the boxes challenge that you asked us to correct our mistakes using a different colored pen after we're done. Is it alright if I use the same technique in the next lesson? Or would that just make it messy and distracting?

Uncomfortable

2016-08-03 12:28

I think it'd be best if you did the corrections after you submitted the work to me for critique. Rather than being distracting, it puts me in an awkward position of you clearly having recognized your mistake, but me still having to comment on it. Ends up being a little redundant. If you leave the corrections for later, that lets me point out every little mistake I see with a greater degree of freedom.

SidewalkSquirrel

2016-08-16 11:15

Okay. Will do. Thanks!

ChildishGuy

2016-07-31 05:24

heres my box challenge https://imgur.com/a/SRBbk

Uncomfortable

2016-07-31 17:27

Congratulations on completing the challenge. One thing that you should keep in mind as you move forwards is that when someone struggles with a concept, they tend to draw things smaller - and in every scenario, drawing smaller leads to having far less room to think through spatial problems, ultimately making challenging things more difficult. Long story short, avoid making small, cramped drawings. The smaller the drawing is, the fatter the tip of your pen will be relative to the overall drawing size, resulting in clunky, awkward lines.

Also, don't forget that the first step of the ghosting method involves placing points at the start and end of the lines you wish to draw. If you extend that to placing points roughly where you think the corners of your box should be, you can plan out your boxes without immediately committing.

BowlPotato

2016-08-02 17:22

250 Box Challenge: http://imgur.com/a/BTE7J

I did 300 because why not. I really did need the practice.

It became clear early on that I was just too afraid to use the ghosting technique, particularly with larger boxes. I gradually became less self-conscious and really committed to ghosting around box 140, and that's when I noticed improvement.

I'm sure there's still plenty to improve on, but I hope the improvement over the challenge is clear. Thanks for your time.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-02 20:53

Pretty well done! Your box constructions are fairly solid, and they certainly improve over the set. As you continue to move forwards, you may want to try practicing applying line weight in the future, as it helps emphasize the solidity and give your boxes an extra sense of weight. Consider this challenge complete.

hahto1

2016-08-03 08:04

Hi, Uncomfortable, here are my 250 boxes https://imgur.com/a/0w5wo

Uncomfortable

2016-08-03 19:03

Nice work completing the challenge. Generally you are improving, but it is very important to go over your completed work with a different coloured pen and both identify mistakes and draw in the correct lines, as instructed in the challenge page. Half the battle is being able to go back and see what you did wrong, so you can be conscious of it the next time you do a similar exercise.

Also, in the future you should experiment more with line weight. There are notes about this in the challenge page as well.

LegitPossum

2016-08-03 19:02

Hello Uncomfortable, I've got my 250 boxes here. Early on I kept marking over lines, but I'd like to think that I stopped as I progressed. Thanks! https://imgur.com/a/UGl6c

Uncomfortable

2016-08-03 19:19

Nice work! I agree that your line quality does improve over the course of your set, and I also see that your corrections are generally well done. In the future you may want to practice your use of line weight further - there are notes pertaining to this on the challenge page. Anyway, keep up the good work and consider this challenge complete.

tretyloomer

2016-08-04 06:55

Hi, Here are my boxes! Sorry, they uploaded in reverse order. I also used purple for my correction pen and I realize now it's kind of hard to distinguish between that and my black pen in the pictures.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-04 20:49

Very nice work! Your boxes are looking solid, and your use of line weight goes a long way to emphasize the weight of each form. Also, I'm pleased that you went over and marked in the correct lines as instructed. I'll mark this challenge as complete - keep up the good work.

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2016-08-05 22:52

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Uncomfortable

2016-08-06 16:00

Very nice work! Your boxes definitely improve over the set, with your linework becoming more confident and your constructions generally feeling much more solid. Your use of line weight definitely contributes to this. I'm also very pleased to see how dedicated you were to going over your work and making corrections after the fact!

Keep up the great work, and consider this challenge complete.

Dingytooth69

2016-08-08 04:53

Hi Uncomfortable.

finally I was able to take some time everyday. Here is my home work 250 box challenge.

I took my time to get through with the basics to get my muscle memory back and attempt these everyday. I've observed these few changes in the way i perceive things.

  • In the start, I had trouble drawing through the forms ( I had to ghost quite few times from each of the vertices to get the other corner). But after a while, All i needed was to do was to stare at the figure to approximate the other corner. I'd check if it's right with ghosting and went ahead. Edit: I tried my best to avoid both the extreme corners to coincide and form tangents. But there were a few where i missed.

  • The line weight. After drawing every box and drawing through it. I took time to rotate the page and see which view is the best w.r.t source of light. It seemed that it looks best with the larger part being away (the base) and the smaller side being in the top facing the light. But after a while I made sure to make both the smaller( Looking a building from top) and bigger part of the box to be the base. Giving a different perspective.

  • After around 150 boxes, I started to see everything with a different perspective( as i moved around it, The box moved around). Everything was in boxes xD. I really like this.

But after i reached 200 boxes it seemed like my lines became a bit sloppy and curvy. I concentrated on the basic exercises. I got a little bit better. But I still feel that i'm missing something.

Thanks!

Uncomfortable

2016-08-08 19:46

Pretty nice work! One thing does jump out at me though - your last 150 or so boxes tend to shift towards using a much more dramatic rate of foreshortening. This is not an issue at all when tackling individual boxes, but you'll find that if you try and use this in a scene with many forms present, you'll end up with a scene that does not look cohesive. Dramatic foreshortening implies a very large scale (like looking at the roof of a building from the ground level), while a shallower rate of foreshortening will feel much more relatable in size. The latter is often much more useful, and while both are important, it may be a better use of your time to practice shallower perspective. At the very least, it would be good for you to mix them up a bit, practicing both dramatic and shallow perspective, to ensure that you're not falling into the trap of tending more towards the former.

Your boxes in general are looking good though - they're solid, and your use of line weight is effective. Just make sure that you're on top of that whole matter of keeping your foreshortening consistent when needed.

Keep up the good work and consider this challenge complete.

Dingytooth69

2016-08-09 15:02

I see them too. :(. Realized after going through other's boxes. Mine look more like when used a wider lens. I'll practice on getting them shallower. Thanks for the input!.

SliceOfBlueCake

2016-08-08 09:54

After seeing all the other boxes here...I don't even know if I did well....

http://imgur.com/a/768XH

I'll just leave this here for your critique. Really took my time with this.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-08 19:50

Generally not bad, though when adding corrections you should be actually drawing in the correct lines, rather than simply circling things you think are wrong. Focus in problems like far planes being larger than near planes, issues where you thought the line you were drawing was correct at the time, but upon revision you discovered that they were wrong. This is the kind of reflection that will lead to conscious change in your sense of 3D space.

Additionally, your use of hatching varies from being fairly tight and straight to being a little sloppy. Make sure your lines go from edge to edge across the plane, remaining parallel and consistent. Avoid situations where your lines float in the middle of the plane, or fall short of the edge.

Oh, lastly - it's a good idea to draw a bit larger on the page. When we struggle with something, we tend to cramp up and draw smaller. Unfortunately this has the negative effect of giving us far less room to think through spatial problems, ultimately making our drawings worse. Loosen up, draw a little bigger.

I'll mark this lesson as complete, but you should go back to do the corrections as I mentioned for your own benefit.

SliceOfBlueCake

2016-08-08 21:06

All right thanks! so since this part of the lesso

n is complete, should i move on to basics 2? or should I do corrections and send it to you. A bit confused here sorry.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-08 21:21

You don't need to submit the corrections to me. You're cleared for lesson 2.

SliceOfBlueCake

2016-08-08 21:30

All righty teach.

BTW will draw bigger and hatch better on lesson 2.

Thanks for the reply I greatly appreciate it.

dynamic_dront

2016-08-11 22:21

Here is my attempt: https://goo.gl/photos/yRPM1PpxLC4Kj8SG9

I hope google photos is ok, was struggling to get them in the right order on imgur.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-12 21:23

Pretty nice work! It looks like you didn't apply the drawing-through tips much early on, but shifted more towards it as you went on. Definitely important to read the notes in detail. Generally your boxes are looking solid, especially the ones where you went as far as to apply line weight to them. As you continue to move forwards, work on getting your lines to meet at corners more faithfully - leaving little gaps could undermine the solidity of your forms. Ultimately it's more of a matter of practicing your ghosting technique more than anything, to get your lines to start and end at specific points without under or overshooting.

Keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete.

Miggery

2016-08-12 08:05

Hi Uncomfortable, here's mine: http://imgur.com/a/0nsMr

I foudn it really difficult to rotate some boxes since after looking at it some were looking too similar, only differences were just the near and far planes

Uncomfortable

2016-08-12 22:48

It's good to see that your line quality improves over the set (starting with chicken scratching, which you should never do). Overall, it does appear that you need more practice with the use of the ghosting method to draw smooth, straight lines. Invest more time into the preparation stage (where you're actually ghosting through the motion to build up muscle memory), and then when you execute the mark, do so with a confident, persistent pace so your brain doesn't have the opportunity to try and course-correct while you draw. Achieving both accuracy as well as a straight line is a matter of balancing preparation with confidence/speed, with a healthy serving of repetitive practice.

Anyway, congratulations on completing the challenge. For your own sake, you may want to do more of these, if only to further practice applying the ghosting method. Improving your accuracy and the flow of your lines will be a great asset when attempting the form intersections from lesson 2.

By the way, I'm not sure why your badges aren't showing up next to your name - if you've unchecked the "Show my flair on this subreddit" in the sidebar, please turn it on. I use the badges to keep track of what lessons a student has already completed. At first I thought you hadn't yet completed the first lesson.

Miggery

2016-08-13 08:12

Thank you for your feedback!

Also, I checked the box now regarding the badge, but it's not showing up next to my name for some odd reason.

Edit: oh okay now it showed up, lol

ArtWizard

2016-08-12 11:43

http://imgur.com/a/gb0rb Finally got back to doing this.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-12 23:00

Congratulations on completing the challenge. I'd say the quality of your boxes waxes and wanes at times - you tend to be much more successful when you follow the tip regarding drawing through your forms. You'd have been much better off had you done it throughout the entire set.

Additionally, when drawing through your boxes, try to maintain a confident line. Don't worry about trying to hide it or anything like that, and aim to get all of your corners to meet cleanly. It's fairly common to see students try to draw those lines with a lighter, more timid touch, in order to maintain a pretty final image (and honestly I can see that by taking the extra time to fill in one face with grey rather than applying hatching lines you're quite concerned with your finished results for many of these). Still, it does them no favours. Drawing confidently will result in you better grasping how each box sits in 3D space, and how to manipulate it in your mind. Presentation is important (don't waste lines, make sure the marks you put down are planned and thought out) but this all has value because of how it impacts the process of drawing. At the end, whether your boxes are beautiful or whether you burn each and every page, it makes no difference.

Keep that in mind as you move forwards - the priority is to understand how 3D space works.

curlosm

2016-08-12 14:59

Hello Uncomfortable, I have finished the 250 Box Challenge after around a day. Here's my submission: https://imgur.com/a/ClWuq Found it much easier to draw boxes now than when I began Lesson 1. I did have trouble with some boxes and the mistakes became painfully clear to me once I drew through the forms.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-12 23:08

Nice work completing the challenge, but I don't see a whole lot of (or any) corrections. You should be going back over your completed work with a different coloured pen, drawing in the correct lines. You say that your mistakes have become painfully clear to you once you'd drawn them (which is great), but it's important to cement that acknowledgement in this way. Just make sure you do your corrections separately, as correcting immediately after drawing the mistake is a bad habit.

You don't have to submit that to me, but make sure you go back and do that when you get the chance.

Slabang

2016-08-14 00:06

Hey! Finally done with this. I personally feel like it's a bit inconsistent so I'm not too happy with my submission, but overall i'm a lot more comfortable with drawing cubes than I was before. Thanks a lot for this entire course, I decided to try doodling a bit for fun and I was actually kind of happy with what came out. Even though I've done other kinds of practice alongside this course, I think 90% of my progress came because of this subreddit.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-14 04:00

Not bad! Your increasing confidence does show. One thing I want to point out though is that simply circling your mistakes isn't terribly useful - to really benefit from that phase of reflection, you need to be actually drawing in the correct lines, so as to fix the incorrect angles in your boxes. This active correction will help solidify what's right and what's not, and more specifically why a certain mistake was incorrect, so that you are more conscious of your tendencies the next time you face a similar challenge.

Also, as you move forwards, you should definitely try practicing boxes with varying line weights - you'll find notes relating to this on the 250 box challenge page.

Congratulations on completing the challenge!

Slabang

2016-08-17 22:43

Thanks! I guess I misunderstood the correction part, oops. I did try varying line weight but I'm having a hard time getting a big difference just based on the pressure I'm applying, am I supposed to go back and fill in the lines even further?

Another question, although I'm not too sure how to describe it: Are the "middle lines" never supposed to cross? I'm talking about the edge closest to the viewer and its counterpart on the other side of the box. It's something I intentionally started to try to avoid for myself because I thought it looked weird, but I'm not sure if it's another absolute "rule", like with far planes and near planes.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-18 00:56

When adding line weight, you draw your lines normally and more or less uniformly, then go back over them like the super imposed lines exercise from lesson 1. If you're using the recommended 0.5 felt tip pen, you should be able to get a decent range of line weights depending on how much pressure you apply.

As for your other question, from what I understand of your question, no, that's not a rule.

Kamioki

2016-08-14 18:34

Hey, Uncomfortable, here are my 250 boxes: http://imgur.com/a/oGRvE

Uncomfortable

2016-08-15 00:08

Looking great! Solid constructions, nice use of line weight. Your 1's look like 7s though and I panicked that you'd drawn over 700 boxes. Anyway, keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete!

GmanIV

2016-08-14 19:59

Hey Uncomfortable, finally got the challenge done after working on and off it for a few days. Here's my submission: http://imgur.com/a/3dKoh

Uncomfortable

2016-08-15 00:14

Pretty nice work! Your boxes are coming together, and you've done a good job with your use of line weight. It's subtle, but it goes a long way towards making your boxes feel more cohesive. One thing that does help in terms of remembering and communicating which side is the front and which is the back (especially when drawing through your boxes) is to fill one of the front faces with tight, consistent hatching. Otherwise it's kind of easy to forget which side's which, and then it gets confusing as to whether or not you drew some far planes larger than your near planes or not.

Anyway, keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete.

Multipl

2016-08-15 07:55

Finally done!

http://imgur.com/a/c8eDw

Uncomfortable

2016-08-15 19:55

Your boxes are pretty well done, but I have one big recommendation - don't draw so small. It's fairly normal when a subject is a little daunting for a student to find themselves drawing much smaller. It's a natural thing that we do subconsciously, perhaps out of timidity, like it's going to hide our mistakes. On the contrary, working smaller tends to result in much stiffer drawings, where the tip of the pen (and therefore the average weight of the lines) comes out much larger in relation to the whole drawing. Furthermore, it leaves much less room for thinking through spatial problems, and constructing boxes is all about this sort of spatial nonsense. So, instead of hiding mistakes, it tends to produce them instead.

Instead, draw more confidently - your boxes should at least be two times as large, perhaps a bit bigger.

That said, your constructions are still fairly well done. As you move forwards, it'd be nice for you to think more about the use of line weight (there's notes regarding this on the challenge page). Additionally, filling one of the front faces with hatching will help clarify which side of the box is on the front and which is the back, since drawing through boxes, while an approach you should continue applying, does tend to make that a little more confusing.

Anyway, great work completing the challenge. Keep it up.

jacksterooney

2016-08-15 11:52

After a lot of procrastination, I'm finally done. I'm not sure how much I improved over the challenge, but let me know what you think!

http://imgur.com/a/TzXdI

Uncomfortable

2016-08-15 19:58

Very nice work! I have to say, I grunted and shook my head at the first page - broken lines are a pet peeve of mine, because as soon as a line is broken, its trajectory and flow will shift slightly, making it completely unreliable. I'm very glad to see that you moved onto drawing confident, solid strokes for each and every line from your second page onwards.

Generally your constructions are solid. In order to kick your boxes up to the next level, it'd be worth thinking about how you might want to take advantage of the use of line weight. I've got some notes on that subject on the challenge page, so you should check them out if you haven't already.

Anyway, keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete.

jacksterooney

2016-08-15 21:42

Yeah, I knew I was making a mistake after I read the page again, I guess I was just trying to be overly flashy. Thanks for the feedback!

anchpop

2016-08-16 22:52

Sorry this took so very long - here you go! I feel pretty good about my boxes, my biggest issue was with ones that were at a bit of an odd angle.

Also I'm really sorry about this, I did my edits in blue ink but my scanner is black and white apparently? I selected the "color" option and everything, but it made my blue lines very black looking. Also, it's a lot harder to draw good lines with a ballpoint, for me at least.

And thanks so much for making this course!

Edit: I wish I saw this before doing these!

Uncomfortable

2016-08-17 19:52

Congratulations on completing the challenge. There's a couple things I want to point out that I believe will help you as you move forwards:

  • While your box constructions are okay, your line quality is still quite wobbly. It's extremely important that you be mindful of applying the ghosting method to your mark making. That is, instead of drawing a little slowly in order to improve your accuracy, you should spend all of your time ghosting through the motion, building up that muscle memory, and then executing the mark with a confident pace. This keeps your brain from course-correcting while you draw (which is why we see wobbling), and helps you maintain a straighter line. Ghosting on the other hand will help counteract the inevitable drop in accuracy that comes with drawing faster.

  • I'm seeing a lot of repeated boxes - it's important that you practice a wide variety of orientations, and also vary how much foreshortening you use. That is, you should be practicing both shallow foreshortening (the far plane being only slightly smaller than the near plane) and some dramatic foreshortening (the far plane being significantly smaller). I'm seeing a lot of more dramatic boxes here - they tend to be easier to draw, but shallower foreshortening is much more useful, as you're only going to see the dramatic stuff when your scale gets very large (like looking at the top of a tall building from the ground floor). If you just practice a box from one angle, or in one kind of foreshortening, you're not going to improve in general, you'll just improve in terms of that one configuration.

  • When you apply hatching lines, never do so sloppily. Always be mindful of drawing consistent, tight, parallel lines that stretch across the plane from edge to edge. No scribbling, no letting lines fall short of the edge, no lines floating in the middle of a plane.

You've got plenty of room to grow, but you are making good progress and I feel that this additional direction should help keep you on the right track.

anchpop

2016-08-17 20:37

Thanks a bundle! I'll be sure to keep this in mind when I'm doing my warmups

gordonp16

2016-08-17 21:59

Here's my 250 completed boxes:http://imgur.com/a/z3qeF

I think that the boxes improved once I started playing around with some thicker lines on the outside. My line quality also ends up a bit wobbly at times when I get impatient and don't slow down enough.

Some of my rotated boxes were done before the new tips you posted so I think the last set are better. Thanks for doing this!

Uncomfortable

2016-08-18 02:14

Wow, you're right - you really start to hit your stride after that first hundred. Once you get into your second hundred, your confidence hits a real high point. It's funny how line weight does that - flimsy uniformly-thick-lined boxes will always feel a little flimsy, but adding just a little bit of dynamism, even if the boxes themselves are still weak helps a lot. Then that added confidence boost helps to bring the construction up to match, and everything starts going well.

You've done an excellent job. Keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete!

ohgodiamnotgoodwith

2016-08-18 15:38

Hi, here are my boxes: http://imgur.com/a/SULaK

This was a lot harder than I expected. I tried adding line weight but I think it ended up making my lines look like chicken scratch, and drawing through forms confused me a lot, but I think I got better at ghosting and rotating the boxes in my head, though I think I started doing worse near the end

Uncomfortable

2016-08-18 22:36

Congratulations on getting through all 250 boxes and completing the challenge. I have to admit that I agree, your attempts to add line weight are *super chicken scratchy, and there's no reason for that. Look at this page. It should look familiar, as it's your super-imposed lines exercise. The lines there are waaaay longer than any of the marks on these boxes. I'm not sure what you're doing differently here, but your approach is certainly different. You are DEFINITELY capable of doing much better than that.

Next, here are your ghosted lines from the last lesson. Again, they're way longer than the lines you used for these boxes, and significantly straighter and smoother. Could it be that you weren't applying the ghosting method, or perhaps in the face of drawing 250 boxes, you got a little overwhelmed and didn't put as much effort into it?

That's not abnormal at all, but it is something to work on. Specifically, it's developing a disconnect between the volume of work before you (or perhaps the repetitiveness of it), and the amount of effort or time you invest in each individual task. It's purely psychological, and relates more to patience than actual skill. You have the skill for it, you're just rushing.

Now, the last thing I want to add is that you're drawing your boxes ridiculously small on the page. This is also going to be a factor when it comes to the construction of the boxes themselves. When you work smaller (which is a common way people tend to try and deal with a lack of self confidence), you end up creating two major problems that tend to make your boxes worse:

  • You make it far more likely that you're going to start drawing from your wrist (which is probably what you're doing all throughout, which makes the wobbly and scratchy lines understandable - though not forgivable)

  • You rob yourself of the space you need to properly think through spatial problems, leading to all kinds of blunders when it comes to thinking through the rules of perspective.

So, like I said - you drew your boxes, so you have completed the challenge. These are some things you'll definitely want to keep in mind as you move forwards. Having been confronted with the stark difference in your previous work and this stuff, you'll probably want to draw some more boxes for your own sake. Like I said, you've already proven yourself to be capable of waaaay better. You've just momentarily forgotten.

ohgodiamnotgoodwith

2016-08-19 03:59

Thanks so much for the feedback. I'll definitely practice drawing more boxes before moving on. Should I submit them here or is it fine to move on to lesson 2 when I think I'm ready?

Uncomfortable

2016-08-19 14:41

I leave that completely up to you, but I leave you with the option to submit more boxes to me for critique.

Iwill721

2016-08-19 01:43

Here's my 250 box challenge: Https://Imgur.com/gallery/jjrZK

Uncomfortable

2016-08-19 23:14

Congratulations on completing the challenge. Looking at your boxes, one thing's got me really, really confused. You're shading in one of the box faces (which we usually do to one of the front faces in order to clarify which side is facing the viewer and which side is facing away, since it can get confusing when drawing through the boxes. More often than not though, the plane you're shading in is way more likely to be the far plane.

If you drew these boxes with that particular plane intended to be the near plane, then a whole heck of a lot of these are backwards, with their near planes being smaller than the corresponding far planes. What I think is more likely the case is that you went back and shaded them in after the fact, and just shaded in the wrong face much of the time.

Let me know though if that's not the case, as the whole near/far plane size relationship is quite important, and is something we'd definitely have to correct.

Iwill721

2016-08-20 05:10

Ah, I only shaded the the bottom plane to show where the bottom is located, because some of the boxes had a weird illusion where I saw the far plane ahead of the near plane. Sorry for the misunderstanding in my shading. In the future I will shade in the near side.

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2016-08-19 05:15

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Uncomfortable

2016-08-19 23:23

Congratulations on completing the challenge. You're certainly making progress, but keep at it (while you continue to move forwards through the lessons). Here's a few extra things to be aware of:

  • When going back over to do corrections, don't worry about 'mistakes' where your lines have overshot or something like that. Focus on mistakes where you believed something to be correct initially, but upon revision found it to be wrong.

  • Never use dashed/broken lines for anything. They're untrustworthy. As soon as a line is broken, its direction will shift slightly. Do this several times over, and your lines going to have a significant trajectory shift. Stick to solid, straight lines.

  • Additionally to practicing achieving solid boxes (and continually honing the use of the ghosting method to achieve straight lines), you should give some thought to playing with line weight to add some dynamism and added solidity to your boxes. Check the notes on the challenge page, there's some on the use of line weight that should be helpful.

RascalFelipe

2016-08-20 03:53

Finally here are mine: http://imgur.com/a/GquFG.

Took me a LOT longer than I imagined, but it was fun and I feel I got a lot better at drawing through my forms.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-20 16:15

Nice work! Your general sense of space and confidence with these boxes has definitely improved over the set. Your corrections also appear to be on point. Keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete.

Rascaljackal

2016-08-20 17:14

Thank you! I will move to lesson 2 than, as soon as I can.

Limeslushie

2016-08-20 21:06

Hey, 10+ hours later and i'm done! http://imgur.com/a/GPTMX

This was tough, but I found out that if I started with the 3 lines with the axis it was easier to visualize were the rest of the lines went. After starting this challenge all I see when looking at houses are boxes >.<

Uncomfortable

2016-08-21 19:41

Congrats on completing the challenge. Here's a couple things that might help moving forwards:

  • Your set leans a little bit more towards boxes with particularly dramatic foreshortening. Be sure to practice just as much (if not more) with boxes with shallower foreshortening, as they tend to be way more common. Dramatic foreshortening implies a larger scale (like looking at the roof of a tall building from the ground floor, the roof's going to be considerably smaller), shallow foreshortening (where the near and far plane are relatively close in size, the far plane being only slightly smaller) implies a more relatable scale, like objects you can move with your hands.

  • You filled one of your front-faces of your first box (number 1) with hatching. I definitely recommend doing this for all your boxes, as it helps to clarify which sides face the viewer and which sides face away. This can get a little tricky to discern while drawing through boxes, which also makes it difficult to figure out if you've accidentally drawn the near plane as being smaller than the far plane in certain situations.

InQii

2016-08-22 09:09

This took me some time, but it was worth it. I'm getting more comfortable with solid straigt lines and 3D Space. But there is still a lot to improve. At around 70 Boxes I started to take a faster approach, without ghosting the lines all the way to their vanishing point.

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Here is the Album](http://imgur.com/a/zobXz)

Uncomfortable

2016-08-22 22:04

Looking pretty good! I definitely don't agree with how you stopped drawing through your boxes halfway through, but I'm glad that you started doing it again some way in. Overall your use of line weight from 12-170 is nicely done. I'd say your last two pages are even better, because it's a little more subtle but still noticeable.

Keep up the good work and consider this challenge complete.

Maxigati

2016-08-22 13:46

Hi,

this was really hard it took me more time then i was expecting it. For me majority of them looks okay except the line quality... I have to work on my line quality but i am using the ghosting method. i hope the image size is better this time.

https://imgur.com/a/nqjTK

Cheers

Uncomfortable

2016-08-22 22:27

Reasonably nice work. Your use of line weight is also quite good. The only thing that I caught was that near the end on that last page, you've got a box that just doesn't look right, but that wasn't corrected.

If I'm looking at it correctly (in terms of which side is towards the viewer and which side is away), your near/far planes are dramatically reversed. If I'm looking at it the wrong way, then your angles are all mangled. The box in question is 242.

Anyway, you're generally doing a good job, and your line quality isn't anything to be too worried about. Just keep at it, but for now it's fine.

Consider the challenge complete!

fluffynubkin

2016-08-22 20:02

http://imgur.com/a/wndNt

Here's my box challenge! It took me a lot longer to get done than I thought it would. I started it a few times and had to scrape those tries till I was ok with my crappy boxes. I used this challenge to practice holding the pen different, using different size felt tip pens, and using different techniques to make the boxes.

Here's a link to my first lesson where you suggested I do this challenge next I've been redoing the first lessons in between working on this and lesson 2. I'm still having a hard time getting clean lines but I've noticed a little improvement. And again thank you for this. It's been extremely helpful.

Uncomfortable

2016-08-22 22:56

Not bad. Don't forget to go over your boxes with a different coloured pen, making in the correct lines where you notice mistakes. Reflecting upon your work in this way is an important part of improving.

Additionally, as you continue to work on these in the future, it's definitely worth experimenting with adding line weight to your boxes. There's some notes about this on the challenge page. They'll help kick your boxes up to the next level.

Congrats on completing the challenge.

Octored

2016-08-22 22:38

Hello Again,

I have a lot of time because im on vacation and i have just finished the 250 Box Challenge.

I think some boxes are good and some are bad. The first 50 boxes i have drawn before i submit my first homework of lesson 1. I tried to draw faster then in lesson 1 because in lesson 1 my lines were wobbly.

Thanks for your time

Uncomfortable

2016-08-22 22:59

Pretty decent work. One thing I noticed is that it can be a little tough to tell which side of the box faces the viewer and which side faces away (since we're drawing through our boxes). Shading in one near plane with hatching lines can help clarify this considerably.

Also, as you continue to work on this in the future, consider playing with line weight to help kick your boxes up to the next level. There are notes in regards to this on the challenge page, be sure to check them out.

Consider this challenge complete.

TheatreLife

2016-08-23 05:22

Hello Uncomfortable! Been away at college but picked up the stride, and a bit of passion for scenic design has got me itching for drawing. Here's my attempt at the exercise. Questions, comments, critiques, and concerns are most appreciated - and thanks for all that you do for everyone here!

Uncomfortable

2016-08-23 18:50

Fairly well done. I have a couple recommendations:

  • When doing corrections, try to find a pen that's not quite so thick. I see that you were going in the right direction in terms of trying to draw the correct lines instead of just identifying potential mistakes, but since the highlighters you were using were so thick, they don't really clarify what the line should have been.

  • Consider playing more with your line weight in the future - I've got some notes about that on the challenge page

Aside form that, you're doing great. Keep it up, and consider this challenge complete.

TheatreLife

2016-08-23 20:17

Thanks, and I'll be sure to keep those in mind!

antibunny

2016-08-23 05:56

Here're my boxes: http://imgur.com/gallery/mzqK7

Note, boxes 1-9 were from my first stab at this challenge in May, when I was struggling mightily with the ghosting method. I think my lines are much straighter now, though this assignment was my first try at hatching and differing line weights

Uncomfortable

2016-08-23 18:53

Excellent work. The difference between those first boxes in May and the more recent ones is palpable. Your lines are considerably more confident, your weights make the boxes dynamic and the hatching is consistent and clean.

It's definitely still worthwhile to go over the set with a different coloured pen to make corrections to whatever mistakes you might see after giving your eyes a chance to rest (overall you've done well but I'm sure if you look carefully you'll find a few). Reflecting upon your mistakes is the most effective way to learn from exercises like this.

Anyway, keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete.

Dodicin

2016-08-23 14:58

Finally finished! http://imgur.com/a/1rxZ9

The more I progressed with boxes the more I realized what my (main) issues are:

1) Obviously, line quality. Sometimes my lines just stray away from the line I'm imaging and ghosting, I think it's mostly because my desk is kinda tall, my drawing hand can't help but sticking to it, and it makes me draw from the wrist/elbow instead of the shoulder.

2) Ending up with trapezoidal prisms instead of boxes/rectangular parallelepipeds (That is, when I'm not pushing the perspective). I noticed that it's related mostly to the me drawing wonky lines and not realizing immediately. In the first part I think it occured mostly when drawing the most foreshortened plane of the boxes and messing up some lines.

Anyway, thanks for your time!

Uncomfortable

2016-08-23 19:29

Pretty nice work. I noticed a few (like 237 for example) where you didn't catch your far planes being larger than your near planes, but generally your corrections are solid. One thing I want to stress though is the importance of ensuring that your lines meet at clean corners, rather than stopping short or being misaligned. This is of course just a matter of practicing the ghosting method more. From what I'm seeing it's possible that you're skipping the first step, and not placing small points at the start and end of an intended line. Make sure you spend enough time on all three stages of the ghosting method to ensure that your lines come out as clean and straight as they can.

Anyway, keep up the good work and consider this challenge complete.

Dodicin

2016-08-23 20:31

You're right about the small points, it actually completely got out of my mind until now. I'll start using them (again), thanks a lot!