Uncomfortable's Advice from /r/ArtFundamentals

250 Box Challenge (#3)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/3iuuvn/250_box_challenge_3/

2015-08-29 16:12

Uncomfortable

Once again, the 250 box challenge post has gone over 6 months of age, so reddit automatically locked it. You can submit your challenge homework as a comment to this post.

Oh, be sure to watch this video before doing the challenge! How to Draw a Box

This is a great bit of practice for those who are having trouble with estimating perspective, or understanding the difference between a form that is solid and weighty, and one that is flimsy and unsubstantial.

I want you to draw 250 boxes. Big boxes, small boxes, long boxes, squat boxes, boxes tilted up, boxes tilted down, boxes boxes boxes. Number those boxes, too, so people don't have to count each one! With each box, take your time. Don't try and do them all in one sitting, if your hand gets tired, go do something else. Try your best to make each box correct. Mistakes may occur, they don't all have to be perfect - but they should all be the result of your best effort.

Also, it's best not to have these boxes overlap - draw each one separately. Overlapping would add complication, so lets just tackle one thing at a time.

When you finish a page, go back with a red pen, or a highlighter, or whatever, and mark out your mistakes. Half the battle is being able to quickly pick up what you've done right and what you've done wrong.

When you're done the 250 boxes, submit them here and let others take a look at your accomplishments! There is no doubt in my mind that afterward you'll be better off for it.

Helpful notes you should read beforehand:

If you have any questions, feel free to submit them as comments.

Peteman22

2015-11-19 17:45

Draw 250 boxes completed! http://imgur.com/a/dsoa7

Again sorry about the image quality-sucky phone camera. The first four images were auto edited, the later ones weren't as that made sections of the page too bright, so I left them with less contrast.

I ran into trouble most often when I either didn't have a concise idea of what to do with the particular box, or when I was trying to be a smart arse and not start with the Y, which is what cause most of the crossings out.

Also something that I annoyed myself doing was putting down an edge at a particular angle and then realising that angle was either too steep in relation to the opposite edge or too parallel in relation to the central Y, but then once it's drawn...(mutter mutter ruddy pen mutter mutter). Likely a product of rushing.

On the other hand when I was certain of what I wanted I found I was much more able to visualize it in my head and it resulted in better boxes. I quite like my No. 158, 159, 160, 161 and 164 "snake"and some of the places where I've tried to redraw the same box at a different angle like 48 and 49.

Edit: I notice looking at the photos I missed correcting some of them, notably no. 120 and 213 apologies.

I humbly beseech thy critique oh sage.

Uncomfortable

2015-11-20 21:06

Well done. You're demonstrating a solid comprehension of 3D space with a lot of your little experiments (like the snake you mentioned), and some great linework with confident weights that really bring a sense of cohesion to each form. Keep up the good work.

Meskalink

2015-11-20 08:55

Hello, Uncomfortable. I drew 250 boxes as you suggested. Please take a look.

http://imgur.com/a/D9f0y

I can say this challenge works well to understand how to draw a box quickly but I think that I must draw at least another 250 to get a good quality of them. I know, that my main problem is rushing - trying to fight with it.

Also I have a question: My long-run objective is drawing using graphics tablet, so when you say that I can rotate a sheet as much as I want I think how this will work for computer? Thank you.

Peteman22

2015-11-20 20:49

Sorry-I'm not /u/Uncomfortable, so this isn't a critique. But in answer to your question most if not all digital art programs allow you to rotate the "canvas" of your work, so you can rotate your drawing on the computer screen to whatever suits you.

Meskalink

2015-11-20 21:01

Thx for the answer!

Uncomfortable

2015-11-21 17:18

The quality of your lines and the confidence of your constructions definitely improves considerably over the set. Your corrections also show me that you are steadily improving your general sense of 3D space. Furthermore, it's clear that you're demonstrating far more patience near the end than you did at the beginning. You're definitely moving in the right direction, so keep up the good work.

As for your question, /u/Peteman22 has it right. Most major software packages let you rotate the canvas. That said, when learning to draw we face a lot of major challenges, and if we try to face all of those challenges simultaneously, we have a much higher chance of failing outright.

Because of that, we try to simplify and delay certain problems. A good example of that is rotating the page. Right now, we focus on nailing a line drawn in a single direction. Obviously no one's going to practice a singular angle, but they'll focus on a particular group of similar angles, rather than trying to tackle all angles at once. The focus here is the process of drawing the line, not so much the ability to do it in every possible situation.

As you grow more confident and capable with this subset of angles, you will naturally expand the angles at which you decide, "nah I don't need to rotate my page for this." Gradually it will expand further.

There will always be angles that will be more difficult than others - but as you practice, all of your lines will improve equally. This is because there are far more factors than just the angle. A lot of it has to do with how well you ghost your lines, your pacing, etc. That is what we want to focus on for the time being.

Meskalink

2015-11-22 14:17

Thank you for the feedback! I'll continue practising boxes along with lines and ellipses. And I I understand your point of view about rotating a sheet, it sounds persuasively and logical. One small additional question: is there some kind of a sign that I can start trying to draw digitally?

Uncomfortable

2015-11-22 15:56

You can choose to draw digitally whenever you like - there's no criteria that determines that you are ready. What I do not recommend is that you use digital media for lessons 1-7 (the ones where ink is specifically required). That doesn't mean that you can't do other things digitally.

Furthermore, if you really wish to, once you've completed a lesson in ink, you can try it out digitally as well (though don't submit those to me for critique).

Meskalink

2015-11-22 18:46

Thank you. I like to use pens for drawing, so it is not a problem for me to make a homework with pen. I think I'll buy pad after I'll complete lesson 7.

cabbageman1995

2015-11-21 15:14

Phew, done. I struggled with getting a bit lazy with some of my boxes on this and curving my lines. Thanks

Uncomfortable

2015-11-21 17:38

Nicely done. Your boxes have improved significantly over the set, and in relation to your previous lesson. The ones where you play with line weight also give a strong sense of cohesion, which is great. You are absolutely moving in the right direction, so keep it up! I'll mark this challenge as complete.

obvioustortoise

2015-11-22 03:28

Hi there! Finally got round to finishing this challenge... only 3 months later. Better late than never right? Definitely felt like I improved but I'm sure there's still plenty for me to practice on :)

http://imgur.com/a/RX748

Uncomfortable

2015-11-22 20:10

Vast improvements in your line weights, general constructions and definitely your confidence. One thing that I do want to encourage you to do is to practice drawing through your boxes (drawing the lines that are hidden in the box construction). You do have a tendency to draw some of your far planes as larger than your near planes, and drawing through your boxes will help you define each plane with a complete 4 lines. This will help you compare the sizes more accurately.

Actually, I just noticed that you did this on page 6, and your boxes came out considerably stronger for it.

It is also for this reason that I strongly recommend going back and drawing corrections over your boxes in a different coloured pen. Looking at them with a fresh eye will allow you to identify mistakes, which in turn makes you consciously compensate for those mistakes then ext time you try these exercises.

Lastly, keep an eye on your hatching lines - don't be sloppy with them, be sure to draw consistent parallel lines that stretch all the way across the surface from edge to edge.

Keep up the good work! I'll mark this challenge as complete.

thebamboopanda

2015-11-22 16:01

Hello, here's my submission.

As you mentioned before, I still have some problems with my lines. There're certain directions in which I can draw my lines almost straight but it's very difficult in others. I could rotate my paper to always draw in the direction I'm comfortable with but I'd rather not to.

It was also quite hard to draw the three initial lines with the same length as I tried to draw only cubes. I hope you don't mind, I consider it as a preparation for the Form Intersections exercise and you wrote it's better not to draw "stretched" forms.

Thank you for your time!

Uncomfortable

2015-11-22 20:45

I could rotate my paper to always draw in the direction I'm comfortable with but I'd rather not to.

I understand your motivation for this - you want to learn how to draw lines confidently in every direction and don't want to 'give in'. It makes sense, but at the same time it's just silly. You have a set of challenges in front of you, and you have to conquer them. Adding this new challenge is compounding things, and is going to hinder your ability to tackle the first challenges you were already facing. Ultimately it is only pride and ego that is making things harder for you.

Anyway, your boxes are coming along well. Individual lines can be improved, but you've explained why some are weaker than others, so that's your own concern. The sense of space is pretty decent, so once you're able to nail your lines (however you choose to do that) your boxes will start to come out more solidly.

I also encourage you to play around with line weight - there are some notes in the challenge post that cover this. Either way, consider this challenge complete.

thebamboopanda

2015-11-24 20:49

You're right, I decided to rotate my paper and it made the form intersections a whole lot easier. I could focus on the forms instead of the lines.

Uncomfortable

2015-11-24 21:04

:D Told-you-so.

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2015-11-22 22:00

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Uncomfortable

2015-11-23 20:50

I really like that you're drawing through each one and analyzing its construction in 3D space. Early on you seem to have a tendency to jump into some really dramatic perspective, which leads to a bit of awkward distortion at times, but you snap out of that pretty quickly.

Keep up the great work - I'll mark this challenge as complete.

gbizarro

2015-11-25 17:57

Hey i completed the challenge: http://imgur.com/a/Pu6uM .

Biggest problem, i feel, is the tendency to rush things, and i think it shows in some of the pages. Anyway, critic would be aprecciated. Thanks

Uncomfortable

2015-11-25 20:54

Generally quite well done. I see a good sense of 3D form and construction. I do have to say though - if you personally feel that you rush things, then it is up to you to hold yourself back and correct this behaviour. All it takes is putting yourself in a position where you think through every single line you're drawing. If you do not allow yourself to draw without thinking about what you're about to put down, then rushing becomes an impossibility.

Anyway, great work completing the challenge. Be sure to check out the notes on line weights (that would be the next logical step to push your boxes to the next level), and feel free to continue on with lesson 2.

gbizarro

2015-11-25 21:32

Thanks for the input!

CorenSV

2015-11-28 20:01

My attempt at the 250 boxes

Uncomfortable

2015-11-28 20:16

It's coming along. Here are some things to keep in mind. I'm noticing that you've got a lot of far/near plane size issues that you've got to keep an eye on. If your far plane is larger than your near plane, then the lines between them are going to be converging in the wrong direction. Also, when you make a mistake, immediately correcting it is a terrible habit. It only adds more ink to the problem, which makes it more visible to the viewer. Often it's better to work around it or ignore it altogether. In this case however, you are expected to come back after the set with a different coloured pen or pencil and mark in your corrections. The separation of time and process will keep you from developing that habit, while also allowing you to look back on the set with fresh eyes and more strategically determine what you did wrong and how you can avoid it.

Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete - I still recommend that you go back and do your own corrections, and also that you keep up with this kind of exercise.

Nuinui

2015-11-29 20:41

Hello here's my attempt at the challenge, thank you for your time.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-01 23:05

Nicely done! Your boxes are well drawn, and while you've made mistakes here and there, you do seem to have caught them and corrected them on your own. I also really like that you've drawn through many of them. The only thing I have to add is that in order to push your boxes to the next level, considering how to vary your line weights would be what you should focus on next. Specifically, consider that perhaps making your internal lines less thick than your external lines (the ones that define the overall silhouette of the form) may create a greater sense of cohesion.

Overall, fantastic work.

Nuinui

2015-12-02 08:06

Thank you once again for your answer! I will work on that!

happy_freak

2015-11-30 07:53

My 250 Boxes!

http://imgur.com/a/ocPqm

This took a lot longer than I was expecting, I see definite improvement :) I really don't regret doing this

Uncomfortable

2015-12-01 23:27

I agree, they do improve over the set. The last page seems a little bit rushed, but the page before that is nicely done. I'll chalk it up to being too eager to reach the finish line.

The only thing that I would like to recommend is that you may want to practice drawing through the boxes now and then to get a fuller sense of how they sit in 3D space. By that I mean drawing the lines that are hidden by the box itself, so all the planes are fully defined by 4 lines each.

Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete.

BozzieTudamoss

2015-12-02 20:34

Here is my work.

I learned a lot by doing this. Patience and focus were two things I hadn't counted on. Going back and evaluating my work for corrections was eye opening. I could see where I was focused and where I wasn't. Spreading the challenge out over several days really helped.

Let me know what you think.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-03 00:21

It's coming along nicely. There is however one thing that I would like to encourage you to do as you move forward - draw through your boxes. That is, draw all of the lines that make up the box, including the ones that are blocked by the box itself. This helps clearly define every plane of the box with a full 4 lines, which gives you a better sense of when your far plane/near plane size relationships are correct or not.

You can do this while drawing them, or another way to make use of this approach is to draw through your box during the correction phase. It'll definitely highlight some mistakes, and I encourage you to try it out on your last page of boxes there. You'll notice that there were some errors that you didn't catch.

Anyway, nice work completing the challenge.

Chaefne1

2015-12-04 05:31

Here is my attempt at 250 boxes. I really got into this around 150 boxes. Things still are rough and I struggled a little bit with line weight it was hard to go over lines a second time and keep them crisp. But anyway thanks a ton brother man.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-04 13:48

Hey, unfortunately I'm taking a break through the month of December. Free critiques will resume on January 1st, so you'll have to resubmit the work then - until then, the critiques are restricted to the patreon supporters (if you are one, make sure you've sent me your reddit username via patreon's messaging system). For now, you can definitely still gain quite a bit by looking at the critiques I've given others - it helps to see if you've made similar mistakes.

You can check out this announcement on the hiatus for more information.

Chaefne1

2015-12-04 16:04

Hey Uncomfortable,

I just sent a message to you on Patreon. I totally forgot to do this before I posted my last submission last night. Sorry for the confusion. Cheers again for all the work you do!

Uncomfortable

2015-12-04 23:02

You are certainly demonstrating some solid confidence, but there are a few areas where you can certainly work towards improving.

Before I go into that, I do want to point out that you did not do the additional step of going back over the set and correcting lines with a different coloured pen or a pencil. Since you haven't yet done that, I'll give you a few tips for doing that:

  • Focus on mistakes that involve lines that you thought were correct initially, but upon reflection are in fact wrong.

  • Draw in the correct lines - don't circle them, actually drop them in

  • It can often help get a sense of how that overall form is sitting in 3D space if you draw through your forms - that is, drawing the lines that are hidden by the form itself, as if you were looking at it through an x-ray machine. This can be especially helpful when going through your corrections because it can highlight mistakes that you didn't even notice were there. This in turn will train your eyes to notice these mistakes without drawing through your forms, but of course we're taking it one step at a time.

So the biggest issue that I'm seeing is that your far planes are quite often coming out larger than your near planes. If you remember the primary rule of perpsective, if an object is moved away from the viewer, it will get smaller and smaller when drawn in 2D. So, each box is made up of pairs of planes, one of which is near and one of which is far. There's three of these pairs, making a total of 6 planes. Each member of a pair is identical in size and angle, the only difference is that one is further away from the viewer. So, the farther one must always be smaller than the nearer one.

I'm going to mark this challenge as complete, but definitely go over the set of 250 boxes and identify the mistakes you've made. They won't always be immediately apparent, so drawing through them may help you identify them more easily.

teaqed

2015-12-04 07:09

I was hoping to have these done before December, but didn't want to rush it. I appreciate any direction you can give me for what I should focus on over the holidays, and I won't bother you again 'til the new year.

Here are my 250 boxes: https://imgur.com/a/4qIFy

Apologies for some of the fainter pages - I didn't notice my pen was running out until it was way too late. On the plus side, I found it a lot easier to get a good flow of ink with, ya know, an actually functional pen.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-04 22:56

You are definitely showing improvement over the set. There are a few points though where I think you're missing issues with your near/far plane size relationships. That is, where your far planes are ending up larger than the corresponding near planes.

Some examples of this include 224, 221, 43, 102. When you do your corrections, you seem to be focusing very much on the quality of your lines. While that is important, you should be focusing more on issues of understanding - specifically your understanding of form and 3D space.

Focus more on issues where you drew a line, and at the time you thought it was correct, but it turns out it wasn't. One way that may help test out whether or not your forms are coming out solidly is to draw through them (draw the lines that are generally blocked by the form itself). This allows you to define each plane with a full 4 lines, which gives you a better sense of how they relate to each other, in size, angle, and so on.

As for your line quality though, I definitely am noticing that your lines could use a little more care. Spend more time during the preparation phase of your 3-step ghosting method, and be sure to ghost through that line more often. If your lines arc or wobble, you need to adjust your approach.

Anyway, you did do a good job, these are just areas where you can certainly focus to see more improvement. I'll mark this challenge as complete.

Aramande

2015-12-12 18:26

I have returned! I hope your December stress isn't too high, feel free to take your time. :D

At the beginning, 250 boxes seemed like a lot to draw, but day after day the gap kept decreasing, and now, 14 days later, I'm done. It feels like I improved more and more the further I went, but I would love some critique.

http://imgur.com/a/97Xol

Uncomfortable

2015-12-13 01:04

Nice work. Early on your lines are a bit shakier and less certain, not really planned out all too well, but as you go through the set your confidence improves, and the lines come out straighter and smoother. The only thing that I would recommend is that you not only focus on boxes with very dramatic perspective applied to them, where your far planes are way smaller than your near planes. That's definitely useful, but at the end of the day shallower perspective tends to be more common.

Anyway, keep up the good work. I'll mark this challenge as complete.

t3h_m00kz

2015-12-16 05:55

Here is my homework.

Done with ballpoint on cardstock and redlined digitally.

I feel like my grasp on line weight is a bit finicky. I'm also noticing my linework is a little wobbly - I tend to take drawing cubes much more slowly and cautiously than placing lines on anything else. There's also a bit more perspective distortion than I'd like.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-16 20:52

Generally there is a fair bit of visible improvement here. Initially your lines are certainly wobblier and less certain, and your constructions feel considerably less solid. By the end, the boxes feel as though they carry weight, and the lines merge cohesively into forms, rather than just loosely grouped marks on the page.

The application of line weight does certainly take practice. As for the wobbling, just keep in mind that you don't want to draw slowly and cautiously - you want to think hard and prepare beforehand, but when you draw, you draw confidently and quickly. The preparation is what mitigates the inevitable inaccuracies that come from drawing fast.

Also, focus more on the mistakes of understanding - that is, where you drew a line initially and upon reflection realized it wasn't correct. Issues where your pen slipped to accidentally add way more weight in one part of line than another are mistakes of a different sort, and will generally just go away with time and practice. When it comes to going back and marking out your mistakes, that's where you want to correct your understanding rather than critique your own physical technique.

Anyway, great work. I'll mark this challenge as complete.

[deleted]

2015-12-20 20:35

The 'when to use 1, 2, 3 point perspective' link was a MUCH needed clarification and finally clicked the concept in place for me. I don't know if this is true for anyone else, but I honestly have had a hard time wrapping my head around most of your lessons up to this point going through your 'cirriculum'. I don't know if it's because of your teaching skills, or if you and I word things differently or what. Either way, once I've managed to understand what you're trying to convey with each lesson, I usually DO incorporate and keep your lessons in my head. So regardless of difficulty in translation, this has been very helpful thus far.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-20 20:39

I'm glad it helped! It was initially included as a separate component, but when I started formalizing the lessons back in February, it was included in lesson 1's Boxes section. That said, I do think it's still a pretty tough concept to wrap one's head around - but once it clicks, things tend to get easier.

ImNotUlt

2015-12-26 02:04

http://imgur.com/a/kjNUX I feel like some of them ended up too isometric and some of them ended up too warped, and that my linework generally did not improve over doing this, and in some ways my boxes actually got worse.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-27 21:12

There's definitely improvements throughout the set. Remember not to be scribbly or loose with your hatching - generally you do it okay but here and there you get sloppy (186, 192, etc.). By the fifth page, your line quality starts to improve (up til then your lines are generally somewhat scratchier where you try to add line weight). In general, the earlier pages of this set are messier than I'd like. Hopefully this will continue to improve as you continue to practice.

Also, you will benefit from going over your homework with a different coloured pen and drawing in corrections where they are necessary. Focus on mistakes where you felt the lines were correct when you drew them, but upon reflection realized they were wrong.

Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete. Go ahead and move onto lesson 2 when you feel ready.

halien69

2015-12-27 18:00

Season's greetings to you and your family! I finally completed the 250 box challenge ( http://imgur.com/a/v2W4v) ... took me a month! I've seen a lot of improvemwnt coming to the end (I'm quite ashamed at the early few) ... but I feel like I should do more. This could be since I didn't draw as frequently as I should. I'll draw a couple more boxes (not to submit) before moving to lesson 2. Apologies for the quality of the photos. When I get back to work I can scan them. Cheers,

Uncomfortable

2015-12-27 20:45

Hey, unfortunately I'm taking a break through the month of December. Free critiques will resume on January 1st (just a few days away), so you'll have to resubmit the work then - until then, the critiques are restricted to the patreon supporters (if you are one, make sure you've sent me your reddit username via patreon's messaging system). For now, you can definitely still gain quite a bit by looking at the critiques I've given others - it helps to see if you've made similar mistakes.

You can check out this announcement on the hiatus for more information.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-27 23:37

I see quite a bit of improvement over the set! I'm glad to see that you started off by drawing through your boxes. By the end, your lines are considerably more confident and thought-out. You did miss a few mistakes to be sure, but your sense of what looks right and wrong will sharpen as you continue to practice drawing.

I'll mark this challenge as complete. Keep up the good work!

Monadism

2015-12-30 03:39

http://imgur.com/a/el3j8

Here's my 250 boxes, definitely not perfect, but getting better. I definitely have a better feel for the 3 point perspective, and it was a ton of practice just trying to draw good lines.

Uncomfortable

2015-12-30 18:15

Coming along very nicely! As you continue to move forwards, I'd say the next step is to experiment with line weight to add dynamism and solidity to your boxes. Other than that though, the forms are looking good and the lines themselves are generally drawn quite confidently and well.

I'll mark this challenge as complete.

StrikerX3

2016-01-01 02:53

I took the liberty of completing the 250 boxes challenge ahead of time since I figured it would be helpful and /u/Uncomfortable would probably ask for it. Here it is.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-01 19:53

Good work completing the challenge. There's a few areas that you can focus on in the future though. Just like lesson 1 (and eventually lesson 2), all of these exercises are things you should continue to practice on your own. I'm just sending you in the right direction, but it's quite the journey you have ahead of you.

  • Draw through your boxes - as though you have x-ray vision and can see the lines on the far side of the box that are traditionally hidden by the form itself. This will allow you to clearly define all the planes of the box with a full 4 lines. In turn this will make you more aware of mistakes you're making, like your far plane being larger than your near plane. You do that every now and then - for example, 242 is one that stands out to me.

  • When you do corrections, focus on lines that you thought were correct when you drew them, but ended up being wrong when seen with fresh eyes. In this case, circling the mistakes isn't terribly useful - instead, draw in the correct line. On the other hand, mistakes where your hand slipped or where you aimed to draw one line but ended up drawing another, can just be ignored. The whole correction thing is more about making yourself conscious of the mistakes of understanding that you make.

Anyway, I'll mark this as complete.

a_small_pond

2016-01-01 05:50

Here it is.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-01 20:46

You've definitely improved considerably over the set. At the beginning you seemed to be lost in terms of how to think about 3D space. A couple pages later you were definitely doing better, but I was getting ready to tell you to start drawing through your boxes to fix the near/far plane issues - but you did so on your own in the pages subsequent to that! So all I can say is, keep up the good work. Your last organic perspective exercise that you did there at the end is much better than what you submitted in lesson 1.

cutthekid

2016-01-01 19:54

My last few months have been pretty busy, so I was not able to work on this challenge quickly. Anyway, I finally got around to finishing this. Thanks for doing this, it's a huge help. Here you go.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-01 22:43

Congrats on completing the challenge. Here are a few points you should keep in mind as you move forwards:

  • Most of your boxes have some really, really dramatic perspective/foreshortening applied to them. While that's fine for individual boxes, you will find that it will be troublesome when you start building scenes, as things will start to get inconsistent. Be sure to read this: Inconsistent Foreshortening Between Boxes in the Same Scene

  • A lot of your hatching lines there are sloppy - if you're going to do something sloppy, don't do it at all. Remember to keep the hatching lines consistent, parallel, and stretched all the way across a plane from edge to edge. No scribbling, no floating lines.

  • Also, as you move forward you may want to practice Drawing Through your Forms

cutthekid

2016-01-01 23:43

Thanks! I'll start working on lesson 2.

Tespy

2016-01-01 23:38

So, I completed the challenge partway into December, but I kept box-drawing as part of my daily practice (I also made sure to number those extra boxes). The results are here: http://imgur.com/a/Kod0f

My self critique and notes:

  • Sometimes, my hand or arm spasmed while drawing lines, making them all squiggly.

  • I often placed the initial four dots of each box wrong, prompting me to use the wrist grip to place the dots better. Since this is because of my motor control issues (and how I need to have the paged turned to not get a cramp when drawing from the arm), I guess this can't be helped.

  • This is not as related, but my cousin (who happens to be a good artist) saw me working on a page of boxes. He called my way of holding the pencil and mark-making weird. I tried to explain to him that I was trying to improve my motor control by drawing from the arm (and not choking the pencil tip), but he got upset when I rejected his insistences that I keep using the writing grip. I'm not sure how to feel about this, since even my brother called you a sadomasochist when I explained why I was doing all this. :/

  • On the last page of boxes, I tied my kneaded eraser around an area on my pen so I avoid subconsciously choking the tip. This improved my ability to make straight lines, but worsened my ability to place he initial 4 dots for each box.

  • I also find it worth mentioning that when I placed a dot, I turned the page to see how well the dot aligned with the rest of the currently-drawn parts of the box. This improved my accuracy at least a little when I redrew the dot.

  • I didn't mark out my mistakes in red pen; it was only when I checked this page today that I realized I was supposed to do that. I was going to keep the box-drawing as part of my daily practice anyway, so I'll redo the challenge.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-02 02:23

I... hate to tell you this, but you didn't do the challenge correctly. Not to say what you did didn't have any value, but the challenge was about constructing 250 arbitrarily rotated boxes, set at all different kinds of angles, without explicit vanishing points. Just random, individual boxes. The focus of the exercise was to help you break away from being constricted by vanishing points, and to help you work out a more general, flexible sense of perspective.

I just looked back at your lesson 1 homework - I figured if you'd demonstrated an understanding of arbitrary box construction in the organic perspective exercise, I'd mark this challenge as complete. Unfortunately, your work there shows me that you do need to work in that area. As such, I won't be marking this one as complete.

If you are having trouble approaching those arbitrarily rotated boxes, you may want to take a look at a new exercise I added to lesson 1 today, called 'Rotated Boxes'. It helps bridge the gap between rough perspective and organic perspective, and you can even put them towards the 250 box challenge's total.

As for your concerns about the grip... honestly I've never given it much thought. When working in pen, the grip issue is not the same as when you work with pencil. Pencil affords you many surfaces with which to work, whereas pen is quite limited. Because of that, I generally tell people to hold the pen however they find it to be most comfortable.

That said, the grip on the pen doesn't have a whole lot to do with the shoulder/elbow/wrist thing. That's a matter of how you actually move your arm, and in these situations, you should be striving to lock your wrist and pivot your arm from your shoulder.

I will say that your lines are considerably less wobbly than the last time, so at least you have shown a marked improvement there.

Tespy

2016-01-02 02:56

Oh, I see. I didn't realize that I was supposed to shift away from vanishing points ^^; I'll keep what you said in mind; instead of going back to the challenge, I'll do the new exercise you made and show you when I do it.

Then I'll do the challenge proper, in pieces as part of the daily practice.

...that is, if you think that's a good idea.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-02 03:00

It's up to you, and I can understand why you would want to do that. Ultimately if your form intersections in lesson 2 don't end up being up to scratch, the worst that'll happen is that I'll ask you to finish the challenge first. No big deal, really.

Tespy

2016-01-02 17:32

Understood. :)

lessonpost

2016-01-03 20:36

finished these a few weeks ago, looking back at them i see alot more problems than i initially saw. anyway, heres my boxes http://imgur.com/a/JXUpB

Uncomfortable

2016-01-03 20:41

Congrats on completing the challenge. As you move forwards, here's a few things that might help:

  • Don't make everything so small - you should be playing with different sizes, and generally smaller drawings leave you very little room to move and even less room to think through spatial problems.

  • Draw Through your Forms. There are a lot of mistakes you didn't catch, specifically where your far planes are larger than your near planes - drawing through your forms would help you catch them more often.

Leohoh

2016-01-04 22:03

Here it is.

By the first page I got the idea of your video with the 3 axis reaching a vanishing point, then I just tried to apply it every time. By the last pages I had to think less about it and it was more natural to draw the boxes, although far from perfect. My lines got a little better by the end but still bad overall I think. Seeing it again I notice more mistakes as well.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-05 02:26

Good work completing the challenge. One thing I would recommend to you though is that you practice Drawing Through your Forms. I think that'll make those mistakes much more apparent, and much more immediately. It's definitely worth doing.

Leohoh

2016-01-22 00:38

You mention on your video "How to Draw a Box" that the method of the video was from someone who finished a lesson, and that was really good and easy to understand, and if it weren't by it you'd give a harder to understand way, what would be that harder way? I didn't find much on drawing freehand boxes so I got curious about how it would be.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-22 00:53

Wasn't so much as harder, but just less organized in terms of me being able to express it. So there isn't really another method to discuss.

[deleted]

2016-01-07 21:45

http://imgur.com/Vp4TVuV

Uncomfortable

2016-01-07 23:07

Congrats on completing the challenge. I'll mark it as complete, though here's a few points that may help you as you continue to practice this in the future:

Aeonbreak

2016-01-08 12:48

Yay, here are mine!

http://imgur.com/a/0xsFA

I feel that I have definitely exaggerated the foreshortening in some of them. Wasn't really thinking about the pages as being a cohesive collection of boxes but rather trying to understand each box on its own. I also couldn't resist trying some overlapping near the end. Hope that's alright.

Finally, I tried to vary line weights first by making it thicker on the silhouettes, then thinking about the light source (thicker lines where the light is not hitting) and lastly making thicker lines for the boxes in the front that overlapped those on the back.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-08 22:40

That is pretty much the purpose of this exercise - to draw individual boxes with different amounts of foreshortening and different orientations, rather than cohesive forms within the same scene. That said, as soon as your boxes start to overlap, they immediately read as existing within the same space, so the inconsistency becomes a problem. Again, it's totally fine for this exercise, but it'd have been better not to overlap.

Your sense of form is generally quite solid, and is developing nicely. You are a little sloppier with how you draw your lines though - this is definitely because you jumped into this challenge before completing lesson 1, where we talk about things like the every-important ghosting method, which focuses on thinking and planning before every stroke you put down.

I'm sure that once you get into that material, your linework will get more concise. Consider the challenge complete.

[deleted]

2016-01-09 13:57

https://imgur.com/a/bHu2h

here's my 250 box challenge, would love some feedback :)

Uncomfortable

2016-01-09 18:16

Nice work. The confidence of your lines improves considerably over the set, which makes your boxes look pretty snazzy. I am noticing however that you've got quite a few far-plane-bigger-than-near-plane issues. Drawing Through your Forms would help you identify these problems, so you should incorporate that into your practice. It generally gives you a better sense of how that form sits in 3D space.

Keep up the good work, and consider this challenge complete.

binkhiem

2016-01-10 03:43

Hi /u/Uncomfortable, I did the challenge: http://imgur.com/a/m4a7s

Just some side questions before moving to lesson 2:

  • How often should I re-do the exercises for lesson 1 ? After going through some articles on the Internet those exercises are mainly for warm-up purpose. However, I feel reluctant to do them because I often lose focus after those session and can hardly feel eager to sit back in the chair and continue the main course (Kind of like when exercising your body, you do too much warm-up and then feel too tired to do the main exercises). So, Can you suggest the necessary amount for that kind of warm-up exercises ?

  • Hope that this question was appropriate in this post. How much time do you think people should spend on doing lesson 2, ideally ? After looking through the materials for exercises 2 I feel kinda overwhelmed and believe that more practice compared to what you suggest are needed to get the exercises be right and on-point.

Again, thank for the critique :D. Have a good day.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-10 03:54

Very nice work on the boxes, especially the ones that work in a gradually rotating series. I do want to mention though that it probably wasn't a great idea to do large clusters of arbitrary boxes overlapping with one another - by making them overlap like that, you're adding another level of complication that comes from them existing within the same physical space. Separate boxes drawn with no overlaps can be interpreted as just being independent boxes, which is the simple training we're after right now. As soon as they overlap, they exist within the same scene.

Anyway, you still did a great job, so congrats on that.

As for your questions:

  1. It's a personal decision. You don't need to do them all each time, or in any great quantity, but you should not be in a situation where you haven't done one of the exercises in a very long time. The point is to make sure you practice those concepts regularly, continuing to sharpen those skills and ultimately work towards keeping them sharp. Your eagerness however is completely irrelevant. You should read my article on motivation.

  2. Again, I'm not going to give you an amount of time. I get these kinds of questions all the time, and each time they severely miss the mark. The point is not to master the exercises within the minimum number of pages I ask for as a homework submission. All I want to see is that you understand what each exercise needs to be aiming for. As long as you read the lesson carefully and take the amount of time required to do the best you are capable of for each exercise, I will be able to find any major misunderstandings, and we can resolve them so that in the future you are able to practice these exercises without going off track.

Don't overthink things. Don't get caught up in amounts or time or motivation or any of that. Just look at the task ahead of you and do it.

binkhiem

2016-01-10 05:48

Thank you very much for the fast critique :D

And thank you for the answer. Definitely need to rearrange my time and work in order to master the skill. Lesson 2 here I come !!

Maoyu

2016-01-12 20:03

Hi,

I kinda have a love / hate relationship with this challenge. . . 250 boxes took quite some time! I do feel that my boxes have improved slightly!

Here are my boxes.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-13 23:33

Congrats on completing the challenge. Here's a few tips moving forward:

  • Draw through your boxes. This was mentioned in the challenge page, here: Draw Through your Forms. It helps emphasize the mistakes you're making and give you a better sense of how each box sits in 3D space.

  • Draw bigger - the smaller you draw, the less room to have to think through spatial problems.

  • Draw boxes, don't complicate things. When you add complexity, it tells me you think your boxes are perfect, and they certainly aren't. They still need a fair bit of work.

  • Don't just circle your mistakes - actually draw the correct line. If it's a mistake where you accidentally overshot a line or scuffed something up, ignore that. We want to focus on mistakes you made that you thought were correct initially, but upon reflection realized they were not.

You are improving, but because you're kind of loose and sloppy with how you've been practicing (not really putting 100% into each box and not drawing through them), you're still repeating a lot of mistakes like drawing boxes with far planes larger than near planes.

If you're going to sit down and practice something, it should not be just for the sake of getting it done. Give each part your full, undivided attention and focus, and spread it out over as much time as you need to do it to the best of your ability.

I'm still marking the challenge as complete, because you did draw 250 boxes.

Maoyu

2016-01-14 18:36

Thank you very much for the feedback. I must admit that I did not give 100% for every box. I will take your advice and draw 100 more boxes, just for the sake of practicing.

Maoyu

2016-01-18 17:01

In response to the "Draw through your boxes" feedback; when a cube is both above the vanishing line (horizon?) and under it (e.g. cube 3) how would we draw the other lines which fall behind the cube? I cant seem to fathom this, I'd highly appreciate it if you could clear this up.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-18 17:42

http://i.imgur.com/PgilBxs.png

Maoyu

2016-01-18 18:00

Thanks!

Suchimo

2016-01-13 13:50

250 box challenge

For the first 25 I did them as the rotated boxes exercise from lesson 1, as I'd skipped that (did lesson 1 in early December, submitted in January).

Thanks for taking your time to teach.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-13 23:50

Very nice work! I don't really have much to say in the way of critique - your constructions are solid, and your use of lineweight is good. I'll mark this challenge as complete.

sicPanicmode

2016-01-14 10:29

Hello again. I recently finished the 250 Box Challenge. I started the challenge after I already did a lot of Lesson 2 (basically before doing the intersections) and simultaneously as the 250 Cylinder Challenge. Also I kinda misplaced the page with the first 25 Boxes, so I did 25 additional ones at the end and marked them from 251-275 to make sure that its clear when they were done chronologically just FYI.

And here they all are

Uncomfortable

2016-01-14 19:57

Coming along nicely. I like the fact that you drew through your boxes, and that you took the time to ghost through your lines, focusing on drawing singular, clean marks. Your corrections also seem to be on point.

As you move forward, you should continue to work on adding dynamism through line weight. I see some areas where you did vary the line weight a little, though you have a tendency to push the internal lines of your form, rather than first establishing the outer edges of the box's silhouette. This will cause the box to start to feel like less of a cohesive object - you generally want the external edges to be a little thicker, to help 'group' the lines of the box together.

Anyway, great work, keep it up. I'll mark this challenge as complete.

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2016-01-15 04:53

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Uncomfortable

2016-01-16 19:00

There's definitely some improvement over the set, but I want to draw your attention to one of the tips included in the challenge page that you didn't take advantage of: Draw Through your Forms. It's important that you read everything and apply what's there, rather than jumping headlong into drawing.

I'll mark this challenge as complete, but I strongly recommend that you continue practicing these, while drawing through your boxes to get a better sense of how each box sits in 3D space, so you can continue to correct your mistakes.

Melanochlora

2016-01-15 20:21

Here is my [250 boxes] (https://imgur.com/a/rfwtd)

Uncomfortable

2016-01-16 19:22

Looking good! I'm glad to see you drawing through the boxes - your constructions are solid and your application of line weight is excellent. Keep up the good work!

ccarrot

2016-01-18 04:58

Oh boy. My ability to draw good boxes seems to fluctuate by the hour. Here they are.

Various thoughts:

A lot of the missed lines on here are not biomechanical errors but me not trusting my eye enough and trying to correct an error that isn't there, leading to a bad line. (Of course, I still do sometimes just mess the line up).

Boxes like 51, 194, 221, 245, 246, and 247 are weird. (245 and 246 I was trying something out with drawing through to understand it better, which is why they look so horribly wrong). I do that angle a lot, but it never seems to look right.

I didn't do a great job of circling mistakes. Looking back at the pictures, I honestly see more faulty boxes than good ones.

All in all... not sure what to think.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-18 23:17

I think there's a lot of room to improve. You're demonstrating a lot of the common mistakes, like Far Planes Larger than Near Planes. The important thing to keep in mind is that Drawing Through your Forms will help you identify those mistakes. I noticed you did it here and there, but for the most part you neglected to do so.

Secondly, when you're correcting, don't circle your mistakes - actually draw the correct line. If you knew immediately that your line was wrong when you drew it, don't correct it immediately. This is a bad habit, as it draws attention to your mistake. Instead, we want to separate drawing and correcting so we don't fall into the habit of correcting as a knee-jerk reaction.

I'm going to mark this challenge as complete, as you did draw 250 boxes, but know that you still need a lot of work in this area. Draw through your boxes and keep the near/far plane thing in mind. That which is further away should be smaller, never larger.

somanygoals

2016-01-18 21:10

Hey Uncomfortable! I did the challenge but I wasn't satisfied with my progress when I got to 250 so I did 200 extra.

Now I can't stand the sight of them.

My camera quality is a bit crappy and imgur wasn't working for me, so everything's on tinypic (and backwards, sadly, can't even change it). Let me know if you want me to reupload.

Boxes

Uncomfortable

2016-01-18 23:42

Good lord your camera is weird. Your boxes are looking pretty good by the end of it though, so good work there. Continue to keep on top of this, but I'd say the next step would be to work on varying your line weights as covered in the challenge page.

Consider this challenge complete.

somanygoals

2016-01-30 07:18

Thank you! Should I move on to the 2nd lesson or to 250 cylinders?

Uncomfortable

2016-01-30 17:37

It's up to you. You should at least look at the 250 cylinder's notes though.

somanygoals

2016-02-08 06:25

Hey Uncomfortable,

So I'm doing the 250 cylinders challenge and I don't feel like I'm getting the 'perspective' aspect of drawing the cylinders and ellipses. Should I use a horizon line to draw the boxes and cylinders, or should I just persevere?

Uncomfortable

2016-02-08 20:48

The horizon line isn't going to help you in this situation. There's a few things a cylinder needs to be correct in perspective:

  1. Far end needs to be smaller than the near end. Doesn't need to be by a lot, but it cannot be larger, ever.

  2. Far end should have a larger degree than the near end - that is, it should be wider. An ellipse can be both smaller and wider at the same time.

  3. Both ellipses must be aligned correctly to the minor axis - the minor axis should cut through both ellipses such that they are both split into two equal halves down their narrower dimension.

Reread the notes included in the challenge (I'm assuming you've read them once already), and then persevere through the challenge. Then submit what you've got and I'll point out obvious mistakes and how you can work on them.

bclikesyou

2016-01-20 17:06

Here are my boxes. I found this very helpful! http://imgur.com/a/I8Aya

Uncomfortable

2016-01-20 23:02

They definitely improve over the set, both in terms of the integrity of your forms as well as the confidence of your line work. That said, I do believe you would benefit greatly from Drawing Through your Forms, as it helps highlight the mistakes you're making while giving you a better sense of how each box sits in 3D space.

Keep that in mind as you continue practicing. Consider this challenge complete.

auracado

2016-01-21 11:45

My work is here. Thinking about perspective and line placement came a lot easier after a while. Drawing through the boxes was challenging - in terms of figuring out where to place the lines and maintaining a consistent line weight.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-21 22:43

Generally very nice. Good forms, glad to see that you're drawing through them, and your line weights were applied well. Keep up the good work, and consider this challenge complete.

Tomberri

2016-01-21 17:36

I followed your advice and I did the challenge. Hope there's an improvement. Here's the boxes http://imgur.com/a/TneKQ

Uncomfortable

2016-01-21 23:50

Very nice work! Great forms and excellent line weights. Keep up the good work!

[deleted]

2016-01-22 17:44

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Uncomfortable

2016-01-23 02:07

I definitely agree on all counts. Your sense of form has improved, but the integrity of your lines needs a lot of work, especially in the ghosting department. Furthermore, drawing through them is worth doing.

I'll mark the challenge as complete, but keep working on them at your own discretion.

HuskUrsa

2016-01-23 17:15

Hey uncomfortable. You pointed me here after I finished lesson 1, just finished the challenge, some were sloppily made but I tried to make the rest as good as I can. Imgur. Thanks again for everything you do! My fineliner is running out of ink :/

Uncomfortable

2016-01-24 17:40

You certainly drew 250 boxes, so I'll mark the challenge as complete. That said, there's a lot of room for improvement, and I think it was to your detriment that you didn't read some of the notes included in the challenge page. They're there for a reason, after all.

The most important tip you skipped was this: Draw Through your Forms. Also, I'd definitely recommend in the future not drawing the boxes so they overlap as you have done, instead drawing many individual boxes. I mentioned that at the top of the challenge page as well, in bold no less.

Also, it's best not to have these boxes overlap - draw each one separately. Overlapping would add complication, so lets just tackle one thing at a time.

Finally, you also skipped this:

When you finish a page, go back with a red pen, or a highlighter, or whatever, and mark out your mistakes. Half the battle is being able to quickly pick up what you've done right and what you've done wrong.

It's definitely in your best interest to continue practicing these at your own discretion, but since you completed the challenge you're free to move onto lesson 2.

HuskUrsa

2016-01-24 17:46

Also, it's best not to have these boxes overlap

Yeah I certainly didn't read that, my bad!

ColorDeprived

2016-01-24 13:03

Took me over a week of an hour daily for the first half of boxes. Most boring task ever, so I took a break. For whatever reason the second half just took me a day with not even three hours. I think my boxes, the accuracy and speed definetly increased.

http://m.imgur.com/giZVoQC,N3GjQ5N,srjcci6,7WzgyXK,YXB9KAr,TV57loN,WRBn1AQ

Uncomfortable

2016-01-24 17:54

Pretty well done! The only thing that I'd like to point out is that you did a lot of boxes with more dramatic perspective (especially as you got further into the challenge). Remember that you should be practicing boxes with shallower foreshortening just as much (if not more). More dramatic foreshortening implies a much larger scale (think a building where the far end is really distant), while shallow foreshortening implies a much more relatable scale like small objects that you can touch and manipulate.

It would also be beneficial for you to draw through your boxes when practicing them in the future, as explained here: Draw Through your Forms.

Anyway, keep up the good work and consider this challenge complete.

ColorDeprived

2016-01-24 18:06

Thanks!

I noticed that my perspectives got more extreme, mostly because I was interested in when the boxes start to become weird, just to get a feel for this.

Samahan

2016-01-26 13:51

Here is my attempt at the 250 box challenge.

Once again thank you for your time.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-26 21:08

I notice that as far as your corrections go, you seem to be focusing very much on superficial slips of your pen (like overshooting a line, or a line going awry), but what you should be focusing on are mistakes in regards to the form, and your initial understanding of the form when you drew. That is, if you drew the box a particular way and then later realized that your far plane was coming out larger than your near plane, or something else to that effect, that is what I would expect you to correct.

I also noticed that you jump between drawing through your boxes and not - I definitely encourage you to continue drawing through your boxes, keeping a close eye on where you have issues with those near/far planes, as they are still occurring throughout the set. Drawing through your boxes defines all the planes quite clearly so it becomes easier to identify these mistakes - assuming you are looking for them.

Keep up the good work. You're steadily improving, but there is plenty of room to grow. You may consider this challenge complete.

Samahan

2016-01-27 02:15

Thanks for the feedback. I chose to switch off between drawing through and not simply because drawing 250 boxes was driving me insane and I figured that was the smallest thing I could do to change it up without diverting from the lesson. That being said I am extremely glad that I did the challenge as I can feel that I've made a very strong improvement, though there is more to go.

awkwardblacksheep

2016-01-26 16:42

Here is my 250 box challenge submission.

http://imgur.com/a/X2Jii

I didn't think drawing boxes would be so difficult.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-26 21:11

No one ever does! I do have two big comments to offer, however.

The first is to read the material more carefully before attempting the challenge, or any lesson. In the tips section, I suggest that you Draw Through your Forms, which is something you did not apply at all. This helps bring your missteps to the surface and strengthen your overall sense of 3D space, because it forces you to think in terms of how the form sits in three dimensions, rather than just a series of lines on the page.

Secondly, when correcting, simply circling your mistakes isn't terribly useful - you should be drawing in the correct line. Also, be sure to focus not on the wavy lines or slips-of-the-pen, but rather on the errors of spatial understanding. Focus on issues that cause the forms themselves to be incorrect - like the far plane ending up larger than the near plane.

Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete but be sure to continue practicing this material at your own discretion as you move forward through the lessons.

358pm

2016-01-27 04:30

Here's my crack at the 250 Box Challenge. I apologize for missing the "don't overlap" instruction!

http://imgur.com/a/rpPfu

Uncomfortable

2016-01-27 20:19

Looks like your imgur link isn't working.

358pm

2016-01-27 21:33

Whoops! My bad! I think it should work now! Had it set to secret by default.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-28 20:17

Looks like you also missed the Draw Through your Forms instruction. It's highly recommended, as it helps you understand how your boxes sit in 3D space, and makes the spatial mistakes (like near/far plane issues) far easier to catch.

Generally you did pretty well (aside from what I mentioned above and the overlapping issue), but you should continue to practice this material while applying that drawing-through tip. In the future, read the text more carefully before jumping into drawing.

Anyway, consider this challenge complete.

358pm

2016-01-28 22:47

Thanks! I see what you mean about drawing through. There were quite a few times where I realized I wasn't making my parallel sides recede to the same point, or was bulging boxes out to the far plane.

Should I go to lesson 2?

Uncomfortable

2016-01-28 22:50

You may, but be sure to continue practicing your boxes as you move forwards.

V3ctoralex

2016-01-27 20:54

Hey! :) As you recommended, I went through this challenge. My purpose was twofold: Fix the mistake of large plans - small plans misplacement and improve my line quality (less wobbly, higher precision). While there is still work to be done, I am happy that at least I can start seeing my mistakes more easily.

Anyway, here is the challenge: http://imgur.com/a/FKsbj

Thanks a lot!

Uncomfortable

2016-01-27 21:00

Your boxes are looking pretty solid. I do have a few recommendations though:

  • When doing this kind of exercise, draw through your boxes every time. There's no loss in doing it, and it'll always keep you fully aware of how the forms sit in 3D space. I noticed that you tried it out a few times.

  • When you did draw through your boxes, you used dashed lines - avoid this at all costs. A solid line can be trusted to be straight and flow true, whereas a broken line will not maintain such flow. It can have tiny deviations that aren't entirely noticeable that will undermine the benefit of drawing through your forms. Don't be afraid to draw solid lines, even in actual drawings.

Anyway, keep up the good work. I'll mark this challenge as complete.

jufli

2016-01-27 21:17

Hello, I just finished the challenge. It took me some time but I am proud. After the first 100 boxes I thought it was tedious and pointless but I continued nevertheless and then, around 180 boxes it finally clicked and I really enjoyed doing the last ones. It is clear looking at page 1 and page 10 that I improved a lot. But I still have many progress to do. Here is the link to the album : http://imgur.com/a/vfnil.

Thank you for your feedback.

Uncomfortable

2016-01-28 20:15

Here are a few tips:

  • Early on, you were drawing pretty small - this improved over the course of the set, but always remember to avoid drawing too small. This restricts your ability to think through spatial problems, which is a major factor in this sort of exercise.

  • Draw Through your Forms. You seemed to do it a little bit early on, but you stopped for some reason. This will help highlight some of the less obvious mistakes you're making, and will help you understand how your boxes sit in 3D space.

  • Apply the ghosting method conscientiously. Generally you're doing okay as far as this goes, but I do notice more and more as the challenge goes on that you have a tendency to use two marks for a single line. I don't know if you're falling into the bad habit of immediately reinforcing a line with another as a reflex, or if you drew the wrong line and then immediately corrected it. Either way, work towards breaking that habit. If you make a mistake, don't correct it immediately - do it after you've finished the set so you're able to look at the box with fresh eyes.

On the note of corrections, don't just circle mistakes - actually draw in the correct line, and do it with a different coloured pen so it's clearer. Don't worry about issues where your pen just got away from you - focus on areas where you thought you were drawing the correct line, but upon reflection realized that it was incorrect.

I'll mark this challenge as complete. You have shown some improvement by the end of the challenge, but drawing through your boxes is extremely important, and you would benefit greatly by applying that to your future practice.

AngOrangee

2016-01-28 04:51

Hi Uncomfortable, I finished the 250 box challenge, here's the link.

Thanks for your time!

Uncomfortable

2016-01-28 20:52

Great work. Your linework is confident, your boxes are generally well constructed, and when they're not your corrections are on point. Keep up the good work!

Yarik_

2016-01-30 17:35

Hay!

I realized that I'm having a lot of trouble drawing/rotating the same box. It already was an issue in the "rotated box"-exercise but within this challenge I became even more aware of it. When I draw the same box in various angles it keeps looking off / different. The sizes vary too much.

Is this an issue I should already focus on right now or is the "maintaining size&form" something that appears in later lessons?

Uncomfortable

2016-01-30 17:55

It is something you should be focusing on right now. One exercise that is similar to the rotated boxes is drawing a series of identical box forms that are connected by a "string". This string flows through 3D space, and the boxes follow it, rotating and moving further away and closer to the viewer. This page has a decent example of it.

Yarik_

2016-01-31 12:17

Alright, here is my finished challenge: http://imgur.com/a/6EEeJ

I already dedicated a lot of boxes towards the rotating/"on a string" approach. I feel like I improved compared to the lesson 1 rotations, but I'll have to do a ton more to get a feeling for keeping the same sizes in space.

Uncomfortable

2016-02-01 21:29

I definitely think you've shown some serious improvement. There's room for growth, but I definitely think you're moving in the right direction. I especially like the sets of boxes-on-a-string, I think you were quite successful in those particular exercises.

Keep up the good work, I'll mark this challenge as complete.

Fintison

2016-01-31 18:16

Hello, here is my take on this challenge

Uncomfortable

2016-02-01 21:48

I will mark this challenge as complete, but I have a few recommendations for you. First off, read the material provided in full - you seem to have missed the tip about Drawing Through your Forms. Secondly, I noticed that you have a tendency of drawing long boxes with a lot of perspective distortion/foreshortening applied to them. You should try drawing different kinds of boxes, and you should also be playing with shallower foreshortening (where the far plane is fairly similar to the near plane in size). Shallower perspective is going to be more common in our exercises and lessons, because it implies a much more relatable, smaller scale. Overly dramatic perspective tends to imply massive scale, like a building whose far end is very far away from the viewer.

[deleted]

2016-01-31 20:07

Hello Uncomfortable. Here are my 250 boxes. I really appreciate your time and feedback!

250 Box Challenge

Uncomfortable

2016-02-01 21:52

Nice box constructions, and nice line weights. The only thing I'd like to mention is that you seem to have missed the tip on the challenge page in regards to Drawing Through your Forms. It's an extremely useful approach that helps make mistakes more obvious. Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete.

FableMinded

2016-02-01 03:42

Hey Uncomfortable, Here is my 250 box challenge. The first page is Rough Perspective Boxes, You had asked me to redo 1 page to complete the first Lesson 1

http://imgur.com/a/CDvpC

Uncomfortable

2016-02-01 22:03

Looks like I accidentally marked lesson 1 as complete anyways after my last critique. I'm glad you still completed the extra work though!

Your rough perspective boxes do look better. Your box challenge work also does some show improvement. I did notice that you seem to be a little bit all over the place with your particular approach, sometimes drawing through your boxes as you draw them, sometimes drawing through them as a part of your corrections, etc. Try to keep things a little more consistent - it's probably best to draw through all of your boxes, as you draw them.

The only other thing I wanted to comment on was that when you did draw through your boxes with a different coloured pen/pencil, your lines were really scratchy. Remember to apply the ghosting method to everything you draw - chicken scratching is a bad habit and it's unwise to give it the chance to develop further.

Anyway, consider this challenge complete.

Tagaloob

2016-02-02 01:44

Hey, finally got to finishing this. Thanks for the feedback. :)

http://imgur.com/a/rLecL

Uncomfortable

2016-02-02 23:15

A few things to keep in mind:

  • Draw through all of your boxes, not just some of them.

  • When you do so, keep in mind the size relationships between the near/far plane. You do seem to have circled a lot of these, so at least you seem to be aware

  • Instead of circling mistakes, draw the correct lines in your red pen. Identifying the mistakes is good, but you want to really figure out what you did wrong and show yourself what the correct way would be.

  • I noticed a lot more dramatic perpsective boxes than ones with shallower perspective (where the far plane isn't that much smaller than the near plane). In later exercises that use a lot of boxes and geometric forms, you're going to want to have more experience with shallower perpsective, as it's generally what you'll be using in order to maintain consistent foreshortening. Make sure you don't draw all of your forms with really dramatic perspective just because that's what you're used to. I talk about that in greater detail here: Inconsistent Foreshortening Between Boxes in the Same Scene

Anyway, I do think you have plenty of room to grow with this material, but you have drawn the 250 boxes so I'll mark the lesson as complete. If you haven't already, you should definitely read the entire challenge page and note the parts you missed (like drawing through your forms).

heartswarm

2016-02-02 19:29

Hi, I took rather a long time but finally completed this challenge as recommended after submitting the homework for lesson 1.

I do not feel great about how things turned out - looking at the pages in real life they seemed okay, but on the computer screen the mistakes and flaws seem very obvious. Do you think it's ok for me to move onto the next lesson?

https://m.imgur.com/a/JCrGJ

I appreciate your time looking over this stuff, I know you hear that a lot but it still feels important to say... It's awesome that you're doing this. Thank you.

Edit: after reading through some other recent commenters' feedback I realised I started this challenge before the "draw through your boxes" tip. I'm going to do this now. :)

Uncomfortable

2016-02-03 00:21

Yes, as you mentioned, drawing through your boxes is something you missed and would have been hugely beneficial in helping you catch your mistakes. I believe that the way you started doing it on your early boxes - drawing through them as a part of your corrections is a good way to go. Apply this to the rest of your boxes as well, as most of them have issues with their near/far plane relationships.

I am marking this challenge as complete though, since you drew all 250 boxes.

SleepingCrumbs

2016-02-05 06:17

Hi there,

I finally completed the challenge today and wanted to get your feedback: http://imgur.com/a/8qhjB - sorry about some bleeding with the red pen; I only had a red brush pen to use..hopefully it's legible anyway!

Because I accidentally left our the rotated boxes exercise in Lesson 1, I did that as part of this exercise, as you requested. This was a helpful exercise; I definitely felt more comfortable with the box forms by the end of it. Thanks again for doing this!

Uncomfortable

2016-02-05 20:27

Nicely done. I'm glad to see that you drew through many of the boxes, and your forms are coming along very well. I think you've improved both in construction as well as in confidence across the set, and your corrections do seem to be on point.

Keep up the good work, and consider this challenge complete.

Pioneer4ik

2016-02-05 10:47

Hi.

Would you review my try on that challenge.

I've done al the previous didn't upload it yet.

What you think ?

http://imgur.com/a/lq9Ar

Uncomfortable

2016-02-05 20:41

I do think your boxes and your sense of space and construction is improving over the set, going from fairly weak to reasonable. There's still plenty of room to grow, but you're moving in the right direction. I'd say my biggest concerns lie with the quality of your lines - more effort should be put into thinking through your lines and drawing them straight and solid in one go, rather than giving into the habit of immediately reinforcing a line with another as a reflex. Be sure to apply the ghosting method from lesson 1 more consistently to every mark you put down. If the lines that make up a box aren't solid, the box itself won't appear solid either, even if all of the lines are otherwise correct.

Anyway, like I said, you're showing progress. Consider this challenge complete

Pioneer4ik

2016-02-05 21:24

Thanks a lot. Will be trying harder.

The cylinder challenge is going to be more considerate and cleaner.

TommyKaduk

2016-02-07 00:10

Hi! Here's my attempt.

There are a lot of mistakes here and there but I had a hard time actually pointing them out since my lines are pretty thick. I hope that's okay.

I started feeling more confident and efficient about halfway through, as I started to get a better grasp on parallel lines and plane sizes. I still made mistakes, but I think this was really useful.

Uncomfortable

2016-02-07 17:37

I'm glad to see that you drew through a lot of your boxes early in the process, but I do think it is something you should continue doing for all of your boxes. The only other thing I have to recommend as you move forward is to be more mindful of your individual lines and how they connect - try not to leave gaps where lines should be connecting, and watch where your lines tend to arc or curve a little. A solid box requires solid, straight lines.

As far as the forms themselves go, you do seem to be improving. You do have a few near/far plane mixups here and there, but things are improving.

Anyway, you're moving in the right direction, so keep up the good work and consider this challenge complete.

Bewegungslos

2016-02-08 21:30

Hey. I did the 250 Box Challenge, like you told me. I am not sure i make any progress in the end... At some point all my strokes seem very insecure. What are your thoughts?

Uncomfortable

2016-02-09 20:37

There is improvement, though I'd say that your decision to either skip the material included on the challenge page, or ignore it, did not work in your favour. You would have done well to Draw Through your Forms as described on that page, it helps you identify major issues with your constructions.

Your later boxes are considerably better than your first few, but I'd say you still have plenty of room to grow. You do seem to be identifying major mistakes in your first set of boxes, but simply circling them isn't terribly useful - you should be drawing in the correct lines with your red pen, actually figuring out what went wrong and how you could correct it.

You've drawn 250 boxes, and you have made some improvement, so I'll mark this challenge as complete. You should be more mindful of the material provided to you however.

Bewegungslos

2016-02-09 23:13

Thank you for the critique. I had already decided to draw another 250 boxes. Can i post them again here once i've finished them?

Uncomfortable

2016-02-09 23:27

Sure.

Bewegungslos

2016-02-18 18:17

I did another 250. I somehow did worse. o.O I still have a lot to learn.

Uncomfortable

2016-02-18 20:26

It's not really an issue of you doing worse - rather, since you're drawing through your boxes now, your mistakes are much, much more obvious. Many of them were still there before, but they were hidden. In a few areas, I do think you've shown a little improvement - but the more important part is that you're now able to see your mistakes, so that's the first step to correcting them.

Bewegungslos

2016-02-18 20:42

Yeah, i had that thought too. And the only way to get better is being mindful of your own mistakes and lots of practise, right?

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2016-02-09 19:46

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Uncomfortable

2016-02-09 21:04

Generally nice work. Confident boxes, nice line weights, and so on. I would however recommend that you not try and round out your boxes - it undermines the general solidity of the form, and that's not something you want to throw away willy-nilly. There are times when we, as artists, choose to ignore certain facets of reality in order to communicate our agenda to our viewers. In this case, our agenda is definitely to construct forms that feel like they carry real weight. A rounded box will instead feel somewhat lighter and less substantial.

On that same topic, it's great to learn form many sources, but don't mix them up until you've fully consumed and analyzed the entirety of what any given source has to offer. In this case, I wouldn't recommend mixing up what I'm teaching with anything else until you've completed lesson 7. At that point you'll have a much fuller understanding of why I stress certain concepts over others, and you'll be able to decide for yourself what is worth keeping and what is better defined in other terms or with other techniques. Right now you simply don't understand enough about the method to make those calls.

Anyway, as I said, your boxes are generally quite good in terms of confidence and line weight. I have noticed throughout the set some boxes whose constructions aren't ideal however (some issues where your near/far plane relationships are reversed) and where some angles seem to be off considerably. For example on the last page, at a glance I see issues with 228, 246, 250, 248, 237, and others.

Definitely go back with a different coloured pen and really analyze each one to see whether or not the constructions match up with your current understanding of 3D space, or if you see some glaring errors. Then draw in the lines you now feel are more correct. This is the best way to really gain a lot from the exercise, for your own development.

Anyway, consider this challenge complete.

Boowho97

2016-02-12 17:24

Hi there Uncomfortable, here are my boxes. Sorry for the blurry pictures. My camera wasn't working right for some reason. Thank you very much for everything http://imgur.com/a/zZGAL

Uncomfortable

2016-02-13 21:09

Definitely an improvement in your confidence and construction. I do want to point out though that you seem to have not read over the material included with the challenge, and as such, didn't draw through any of your boxes as mentioned in the tips section. You really, really should go and read over the material and apply the things I suggest.

Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete. You should be good to tackle lesson 2.

nonenext

2016-02-13 02:48

Hi, I submitted 250 boxes challenge. On 200+ boxes and onward, my concept of perception clicked and on last page I showed you guys how I drew the perception cube in most simple way. It requires ghosting skill.

250 Box Challenge

Uncomfortable

2016-02-13 21:54

Your box constructions are decent, but you definitely shot yourself in the foot by not reading/applying the material included in the 250 box challenge page - specifically the tip about Drawing Through your Forms. Doing so helps immensely with fully understanding how a for exists in 3D space, ultimately helping identify issues where your angles are off, or your far/near plane size relationships are incorrect.

I noticed that you did a little bit of this early on, though I think this may have been checking after the fact (which is also a good idea to be sure), but you should have been applying it across the board to get the most out of the exercise.

The last thing I want to mention though is that you've got a lot of boxes with particularly dramatic foreshortening/perspective applied to them - where the far end of the box is considerably smaller than the near end. You're right that this does help you wrap your head around the concepts of perspective, but remember that this kind of dramatic perspective is usually associated with very large scale objects (like a building where the far end is very far away). We use boxes for everything, so they become very important when constructing other objects - in these cases, it's important to remember that you want to use shallower foreshortening (which implies a much more relatable scale, like things you can pick up and move around with your hands).

Anyway, consider this challenge complete.

nonenext

2016-02-13 23:29

Thank you for the reply!

I didn't see 250 box challenge page page till you posted it in your reply. I read every links on this thread to prepare myself for the challenge and this page wasn't there. I still couldn't even figure out where to find this page without you mentioning it in your reply. Perhaps you should update your thread and add this page link?

Again, thank you for the information and I'll use it to improve in the future.

Uncomfortable

2016-02-13 23:42

To which thread are you referring? I keep all of the links on the sidebar, and they all lead off to drawabox.com. Generally people start with lesson 1, and if I feel they need it, I recommend that they try the 250 box challenge after giving them a critique of their work.

nonenext

2016-02-13 23:52

I'm referring to the original post of this thread. It contain a list to bunch of imgur links, but not to your 250 challenge page. Unfortunately, I didn't think of going to the sidebar to find more information, since I thought the original post already contain all information I need before getting started.

Also I have a question, which method is correct for drawing a box? Apologizes for wobbly lines.

Uncomfortable

2016-02-13 23:54

Neither are wrong, B is the one I talk about in the how to draw a box video.

nonenext

2016-02-13 23:58

Thanks. I watched the video but I'm sure I missed a lot. I'm deaf and automatic caption makes it difficult, so that's maybe why my performance wasn't up to the standard. I'll still try my hardest throughout the course!

Uncomfortable

2016-02-14 00:04

I see. Well, on the bright side I absolutely hate speaking on those videos, so there's only a couple of them. Most of the stuff I teach is via text articles or captioned videos. Never really thought about how that would benefit those with hearing impairments, but I'm glad to have realized that now.

Basically the jist of the Y method is that the central Y constructs one line from all three sets of parallel lines that exist in a box. All lines within a set that are parallel to one another will go off into the distance to some vanishing point (which for our purposes is way off the page), so when constructing the remaining lines, you just need to keep in mind that you want to converge with one of the Y's lines at some vanishing point way off in the distance.

nonenext

2016-02-14 00:16

I understand! Yes, that's why I was really happy to find this course. This course is mainly text and very suitable for me so I can start learning how to draw. I'm a web designer (I contacted you with other account few days ago) and want to start learning how to digital draw and thought it's best way to learn basics before learning how to digital paint. I can't wait to move on to human figure drawing in the future.

Thank you for the tip, I always keep VP in mind when I draw boxes, it makes everything easier.

tigro7

2016-02-13 12:04

Hi! I've made the 250 box challenge: http://imgur.com/a/X0kQR.

Sometimes it felt a little boring, but i think i made some improvement doing it.

(In the album is also included the rough perspective exercise with the Lines Not Lining Up thing :))

Uncomfortable

2016-02-13 22:29

Nice work. It looks like drawing through your boxes for the first 160 paid off - your constructions feel more solid and it seems to me like you have a much better sense of 3D space. Keep up the great work, and consider this challenge complete.

tigro7

2016-02-14 15:06

I'm very glad to here that, thank you! Now i'm going to focus on the exercises of the second lesson.

[deleted]

2016-02-14 20:15

Here's my 250: http://imgur.com/a/rINvW

I can definitely see progress from the start. Have a much better feel for space and how that plays into the 2d page. I kind of assumed drawing a whole bunch of boxes would be the most mind-numbing thing ever, but it was kind of fun in it's own way.

Had to rewatch the box video part way through, but I feel like after doing some initially, the video made a lot more sense and helped more than the first time.

Uncomfortable

2016-02-15 21:39

Nice work! Your boxes definitely increase in confidence and solidity over the set, and I'm glad to see that you start drawing through them later on. Your corrections also seem to be very much on point. Keep up the great work, and consider this challenge complete.

[deleted]

2016-02-16 03:01

Woo! Onward to Lesson 2!

seancorey

2016-02-15 02:17

Here's my 250 box challenge: http://imgur.com/a/jadUf .

Took a lot longer than i had expected.

Thanks! cheers.

Uncomfortable

2016-02-15 22:12

Nice work. The only thing I want to mention is that there's no need to worry about mistakes that are momentary slip-ups, like a line accidentally going way off, or overshooting, or something like that. Focus on mistakes where you thought the line you were drawing was correct, but it turns out in retrospect that it was not.

Your forms are generally very solid and well executed, though I do want to mention that it's always beneficial to Draw Through your Forms, so as to get a better understanding of how that form sits in 3D space.

Anyway, keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete.

seancorey

2016-02-16 04:05

Thanks!

I also just realized i made a mistakenly labled my final 250th box as '450', hah woops.

Jasmine_Art

2016-02-15 07:11

Although right this moment I never want to draw a cube again, this was a good assignment. Since I was drawing a lot of the same thing, it gave me the opportunity to try different things. What happens if I hold my pen this way? What happens if I don't ghost? What is the difference between starting with the Y and starting the way I used to with the cube face? What about pushing v. pulling the pen? Because of this, I see my quality overall ebbing and flowing as I try different things that worked better than others. But overall, I feel like my mental image of the perspective improved. I didn't do line weights, as that seemed optional, and isn't generally my struggle. I can go back and add them if necessary.

Also, the number goes back and forth a bit as I have a sketch pad I take on the road (small one) for work, and the larger one I leave at home. It's more or less in order, though.

250 Box Challenge

Uncomfortable

2016-02-15 22:17

It's good that you're experimenting with what does and doesn't work in terms of your execution, and playing with different approaches to constructing the boxes. I'd say the biggest shortcoming was that you missed some of the material included with the 250 box challenge - specifically, this: Draw Through your Forms. Drawing through your boxes would help you wrap your head around how your boxes sit in 3D space, and allow you to identify mistakes where your angles are off, or where your far/near plane size relationships are reversed. It's definitely something you should do in the future.

Anyway, you drew your 250 boxes, so congratulations on completing the challenge.

Jasmine_Art

2016-02-16 01:51

I'm going to go back and do that. For some reason, I was convinced we were told NOT to do that here... woops. Sorry. I teach and get so frustrated when people don't follow instructions. I apologize for being that student.

So, next is Curves Lesson #2 for me, yes?

Uncomfortable

2016-02-16 01:52

Yup, you can move onto lesson 2 next.

SpaceCenturion

2016-02-15 18:33

Hello! This took way ore time than I anticipated... And I also kept procrastinating instead of taking the pictures and uploading them. But, alas, here they are: 250 pretty boxes*

^^*Prettiness ^^subjective

Uncomfortable

2016-02-15 22:27

I think generally there is some improvement, but you definitely would have benefited immensely from reading the material on the challenge page before actually starting the challenge - specifically the tip on Drawing Through your Forms. This helps you identify all sorts of mistakes, especially those involving your near/far plane size relationships. Definitely something to keep in mind as you continue to move forwards. There's also some material about how to best leverage line weight in your drawings that's worth a read.

It still wouldn't hurt to go back and draw through the boxes with a different coloured pen to help identify your mistakes a little better.

Anyway, congrats on drawing 250 boxes and completing the challenge.

fanar

2016-02-16 05:41

Hello,

Finally finished the box challenge :) Even if I did get a bit sloppy at times, I did notice towards the end that I started to understand the relationship between the shape and perspective much much better.

http://imgur.com/a/8rxcu

Thank you for the hard work!

Uncomfortable

2016-02-16 21:07

I like the confidence with which you're drawing your boxes, and I do notice some improvement in your sense of form by the end. There's a couple important things I want to stress however:

  • Read the material provided before jumping into drawing. You skipped over a very important tip about Drawing Through your Forms, which would have helped you get a more solid understanding of how each box sits in 3D space, while also helping you identify inconsistencies and spatial problems in your work.

  • Don't just circle mistakes when you're going through your corrections - actually draw in the correct line. I recommend that you go back over your work and draw through your boxes with a different coloured pen, so you can identify and correct mistakes that you have missed.

Anyway, consider this challenge complete.

calligraphy_dick

2016-02-18 06:57

It took about a month and a lot of persistence, but I finished the 250 box challenge!

Uncomfortable

2016-02-18 19:39

I definitely see considerable improvement from the beginning to the end. You definitely would have benefitted considerably from following the tip about Drawing Through your Forms through the whole set - I noticed that you did it a little at the end, but it REALLY helps across the board to highlight your spatial inconsistencies.

Generally your corrections seem to be going in the right direction, so I think you definitely gained a lot from this exercise. Consider the challenge complete!

calligraphy_dick

2016-02-19 19:12

Thank you! Should I move on to lesson 2 or is there something I should work on before that?

Uncomfortable

2016-02-19 19:58

You should be good to move onto lesson 2.

[deleted]

2016-02-18 23:38

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Uncomfortable

2016-02-19 23:47

Nice work. I do notice the sloppiness you mentioned, though it decreases throughout the set. By the end, your forms feel more solid, and your lines are cleaner.

The only thing I want to mention is that when you start tackling drawings with multiple boxes within the same scene, the amount of foreshortening (the rate at which the boxes get smaller as they move further away) definitely becomes relevant. A lot of the boxes you've drawn here have really dramatic foreshortening on them, so the far end tends to be considerably smaller than the near end. This generally implies massive scale (like the top of a building being tiny when viewed from the ground). You'll find that when you're putting lots of boxes in the same scene, you're going to want to use shallower foreshortening most of the time, to imply a much more relatable scale - like these are forms you could manipulate with your hands. So, it's important to practice this as well.

Anyway, you've done a solid job of completing the challenge, and you've clearly grown a lot through it. Well done!

warselu

2016-02-20 13:59

After more than a month i finally completed this challenge: http://imgur.com/a/m9I0A

Looking back i can see that i have sloppy lines due to the fact that i did not utilized the ghosting technique properly and some of the longer lines are arched because i have drawn them from the wrist and not the shoulder. I'll try to keep this in mind for future work.

Anyway, i'm eager to see what you think about these ones. Thank you, again, for doing this. You're awesome!

Uncomfortable

2016-02-21 16:55

I'm really happy to see how the confidence of your line work and sense of 3D space has improved over this set. I'm also very happy to see that you applied the tip about drawing through your boxes, you've definitely benefited from it considerably. The last few pages are especially well done. Keep up the great work and consider this challenge complete!

NobodyTouchesTheHat

2016-02-24 04:29

Even after 250 boxes (not to mention all the experimenting I did on separate paper for a total of probably 400) I still feel useless at drawing boxes. I think I'm just a slow learner.

http://imgur.com/a/uchqu

Uncomfortable

2016-02-24 20:46

Your boxes are alright - the issue isn't that you're a slow learner, it's that you didn't read the material on the challenge page in full. You skipped a very helpful tip that would have helped you develop a stronger sense of 3D space much more effectively: Draw Through your Forms.

I'm marking this challenge as complete - your boxes are coming along nicely, though there surely is plenty of room for improvement as well. Make sure you read the instructions more carefully in the future!

Also, another point you seem to have missed is mentioned at the beginning:

When you finish a page, go back with a red pen, or a highlighter, or whatever, and mark out your mistakes. Half the battle is being able to quickly pick up what you've done right and what you've done wrong.

You might want to use that different coloured pen to draw through your boxes so you can see the inconsistencies in form constructions more clearly.

ghosteagle

2016-02-25 02:19

http://imgur.com/a/Yhlcf

Here's my attempt. I feel like I was off on more than a few of the angles, but I also feel like I got a lot better at drawing boxes as I went on.