Internal crisis over the 50% rule
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/10n7lyc/internal_crisis_over_the_50_rule/
2023-01-28 05:51
YugamiSekai
I just got to the Boxes homework on my 2nd run of doing DaB*, and while the study side of the 50% rule is going... well, I'm kind of having a conflict over the other half of the rule.
I've made an effort to do drawing for lessons and drawing for just drawing on alternating days, and I've been managing to do them all so far, with a sketch made every other day (with the exception of Saturdays, where I don't draw at all), however, I feel like the sketches I produce would be considered completely unacceptable to even the drawing for the sake of drawing part of the 50% rule. This is a sketch I made about a week ago. >!Go ahead, get your laughs out now.!< It feels like I'm trying to climb up from below absolutely zero drawing skills.
I know the purpose of this non-study half of the rule is to accept that your drawings will look like complete crap, and I can >!slightly!< accept that, seeing that it's my current reality, but if my (main) ultimate goal in art is to draw people, and I currently draw the equivalent of deformed blobs with limbs, what am I supposed to do here? Am I supposed to alternate even more and split the study 50% half between DaB and some other Figure Drawing/Anatomy course, then draw that without any help? Or am I supposed to just tough it out with no improvement here at all? And what about trying to draw literally anything else? My visual library is as barren as a desert with no sand. It's extremely evident from the sketch page.
I don't exactly want to quit, but I would like a bit of clarity of what exactly I'm supposed to be doing, or what steps to take to start getting my sketches to stop looking like that. It genuinely feels like I'm headed straight for a burnout soon that'll make me drop DaB altogether, even when I'm doing >!or attempting to do, at least!< what's recommended of me.
*For further context, I completed Lesson 1 and the 250-box challenge all the way back in October 2021, in which I followed the 50% rule worse than I did now. I didn't end up with much burnout, I just didn't get any response to the challenge and didn't know what to do afterwards. This time I plan on using the Patreon.
Tam_Paints
2023-01-28 18:55
Hey there! As someone who has been through it, don't worry too much if you want to do more lessons. I think the 50% rule is more of a guide. I think it's fine to push forward if you want to learn more. Just make sure you try applying it to what you want to draw every once in a while.
You said you want to draw people and that you finished the box assignment. This might be a good time to draw someone holding a box, sitting on a box, inside a box, etc. That will help apply some of what you learned in the lesson.
One of the most important parts of learning art is the mental struggle. It's tough when what you draw doesn't look right because you don't have the fundamentals down yet. If you are feeling burnt out on drawing on your own and just want to get back to learning, don't hold yourself back. The most important thing is that you find the best way to have fun with it.
When I did drawabox, I found it worked best for me to do a few sessions of the lessons, and then when I felt burnt out on that I did a series of my own work. Flipping back and forth over longer periods of time felt best for me, and maybe it's worth trying for you as well!
Just remember that this is just a guide for how to learn the fundamentals. It will teach you a lot, but if you are self teaching yourself then go at whatever pace is best for you!
Uncomfortable
2023-01-28 19:05
I cannot stress this enough - the time spent on the 50% rule, on the "play" drawing, is not intended to help you improve the quality of your drawing. Your wording, especially in terms of "Or am I supposed to just tough it out with no improvement here at all?" suggests that while you've read the lesson, watched the videos, etc. you're still struggling with the idea that you're spending time on something that isn't directly going to help you produce better work.
The value of the 50% rule isn't something you're going to see immediately, but it will help you develop a healthier, more resilient, and more long-lasting relationship with drawing itself. It is not going to be a pleasant process, and it is not fun. It is torturous and frustrating. For any one of many different reasons, students at this stage need to produce work that looks good, because they've associated their own personal value with what they produce. Between the influence of the educational systems that teach us to fear failure, and the constant urge of social media to be popular or be worthless, many of us develop an incredibly unhealthy relationship with what we produce - regardless of the field.
This leaves the majority of people without the capacity to put up with drawing a bunch of trash for weeks, months, and years, in order to get to the "level" they fantasize about. In fact, it turns into a moving goalpost moving away from us as quickly as we can scrabble forwards. We just notice more flaws, we become more dissatisfied, and we assume that everyone else around us sees the same mistakes. That everyone is going to laugh at us (something you mentioned yourself, that people would laugh at your sketch), when in truth... No one really cares. But the world tells us that if we're not getting any attention, then we are not worthy of attention, and thus we are worthy of nothing. It's a toxic environment in which we've all been raised, and the 50% rule serves to undo some of that damage, so that at the very least, we can see the value in all that we do. Because if we are incapable of seeing it, then why should anyone else?
The 50% rule is conceptually very straightforward. You draw. What you draw does not change the fact that you drew, so as long as you've drawn, you've completed the task. But students bring their own additional barriers to that. They want to draw well, they want to see for themselves that the time they've invested has had an impact, that they've grown, that they've improved, and if they don't see that, then the fact that they drew at all doesn't matter. It's not enough for them to just draw, to simply follow what they're being told.
That's how it begins, but over time, through sheer brute exposure, it gets easier. It becomes a job, something you do regardless of whether you're motivated, regardless of what you want in the long run. It becomes something to get out of the way. And some ways beyond that, it becomes... fun. Those self-doubts and fears become quieter, the concerns about what others will think or do fade away, and it becomes about what you're doing, the marks you're making, and the simple pleasures of playing and experimenting.
But it isn't that from the get-go. So right now, it may feel redundant, it may not feel worthwhile. But as babies babble nonsense in order to get a grasp of their first language, to get a hang of conversing and expressing themselves with sounds they're barely able to get their mouths around, we too have to create a lot of nonsense to truly grasp the breadth of expression and communication for which this visual language we're learning now allows.
expressofox
2023-01-28 19:57
I'm not the OP, but I really appreciated this response!
I have had a lifelong struggle with a fear of failure (and a personal mental health issue around anxiety over not being able to successfully complete a task that I'm working with my therapist on)and this is the first time that the whole concept of you need to draw for fun even if you don't necessarily like the finished product genuinely clicked for me. Thanks for taking the time to explain your thought process so thoroughly.
Uncomfortable
2023-01-28 20:01
I'm glad to hear that!
YugamiSekai
2023-01-28 22:33
Another golden response, thanks Unconfortable! I guess that I'm still trying to cope with the fact that my sketches will look like this for a while, and while it's not necessarily a bad thing, it's gonna take a lot of getting used to. I see that in order to evolve and move on I'll have to continue doing... exactly what I've been doing!
Although I would like to know, when exactly would be a good time to start to introduce learning other things such as Figure Drawing? When I finish the 250 box challenge again, or when I finish DaB as a whole?
Uncomfortable
2023-01-28 22:40
So this is something I mention in Lesson 0 - that basically, assuming you have infinite time, there's no better time than when the interests strike you. So you can be at Lesson 0, and be balancing drawabox, a figure drawing class, and your 50% rule play drawing, if you have the time for it all.
If you don't, then you may simply accept that you'll move through Drawabox more slowly, but can still get some of that figure drawing in there. Or you can decide for that time to just focus on Drawabox and the 50% rule.
The thing to keep in mind is that going into figure drawing early will simply mean that not everything you learn from it will make sense immediately, or will be something you can apply/use immediately, and as your spatial reasoning skill improves from following along with Drawabox, that will then echo into what you've been learning with your figure drawing resources.
Basically, don't let yourself be discouraged by the fact that figure drawing is gonna be challenging, and things won't always feel like they click when they're explained. The killer when learning any skill are expectations - the impression that we know how things should be progressing, whether we're doing well or not. As the person learning, we are not in a position to know any of that, so they're really just lies we tell ourselves, which can lead to burnout.
YugamiSekai
2023-01-28 23:10
Gotcha'. I think the best route for me (as someone with basically endless time) would be to simply rip off the bandaid and split the time between DaB and play drawing ever further to add in Figure Drawing.
[deleted]
2023-02-23 16:15
I understand why drawing for fun is important, I mean if you dont find drawing enjoyable then why do it in the first place? But does that help with improving your skills at all? Maybe I am a weird case but I feel more fulfilled and enjoy more drawing when doing things that serve a purpose, for example practicing value on a box to improve my understanding of light and tone, but when I draw for the sake of it it feels dreadful. Is it because of my expectations or simply because I dont feel joy when just drawing for fun? What would you recommend to someone who is in this position? I fear I may be doing something that could be fatal on my drawing journey.
Uncomfortable
2023-02-23 18:20
No, you're not a "weird case" - you're describing what the vast majority of people feel, and why the 50% rule is necessary. It's not about how you feel now, and your existing relationship with drawing - most people who are out looking for a course are specifically doing it because they prefer to spend their time with some kind of promise that this investment of time will "pay off", that there's a clear and well defined purpose to it.
The 50% rule exists to rewire the student's brain and help them develop a healthier, more tenable and long-lasting relationship with the act of drawing. I'd recommend rewatching the 50% rule video (as the video by and large attempts to make this point), and view it as speaking directly to you. Don't attempt to position yourself outside of the majority, because you are very much part of it in this case.
[deleted]
2023-02-23 18:45
Wow thats definitely a perspective I never considered. I appreciate the comment, I will watch it again, maybe what I need to do is fake it till I make it because nothing else worked so far.
EonJah
2023-02-27 03:05
I know the post is a bit old already, but dude this answer kind of striked me, I don't know how to put it in words but I'm somehow more encouraged to fail, or at least to try, and eventually fail, and I thank you for that.
Today I did my first page of the 250 box challenge and after that I'll just doodle something, I don't know what yet but I'll give it a try. I haven't done it so far so it will probably suck, but I'll start with some drawing for the sake of drawing :)
Uncomfortable
2023-02-27 18:01
Glad to hear it! If you need any help coming up with ideas of things to draw, you can always check out our drawing prompts on the drawabox website.
pzone
2023-01-28 20:40
Just a suggestion unrelated to the rule
I would start by practicing drawing straight lines
Horizontal, 1 inch, 3 inch, 5 inch lines, next to one another, 1 small notebook page
Then do the same with vertical, 1 small notebook page
Then draw two dots on the page and draw a straight line between them, fill 3 pages with random lines
Try to draw quickly so each line is appealing and smooth, draw from the shoulder
Confident_Fortune_32
2023-01-29 17:14
If you put a bunch of paper and jumbo crayolas on a table, and let a bunch of v small children loose on it, what do they do? They grab the crayons and just start colouring, with gusto, without forethought, without a plan, just for the joy of mark-making and no other reason.
Fast forward ten years in those same kids' lives, give them drawing materials, and they may shyly refuse, saying, "well, I'm not v good at drawing"
When a adults see a little kid colouring, they often ask: "what are you drawing?" I think it's a terrible question, bc it is nudging the kid toward goal-oriented product-focused work.
I absolutely do blame our deeply misguided education system for making play and learning into a goal-driven chore, where someone else judges the value of the effort and assigns a grade to it.
The "free play" portion of this adventure isn't to get something at the end. It's just for the simple pleasure of mark making, of making friends with the implement and the paper, of having fun, of a goal-less activity. The product is irrelevant. There's no grade. There's no test. There's no judge, external OR internalized.
If you take a toddler for a walk in a park or on a forest trail, it's a v slow process, bc they will stop over and over to pick up a beautiful pine cone or an appealing pebble. In that moment, those things are priceless treasures to them. That mindset is what's most helpful here.
burchalka
2023-01-30 09:12
That comment is a beautiful drawing with words, I must say...
Rugidiios
2023-06-23 20:44
Most people are depressed because they have no goals in life. You can't just float around.
whitestuffonbirdpoop
2023-01-30 21:08
you could learn how to do some 30 second and 2 minute gesture drawings(beginning videos of proko figure drawing, they are on youtube), do 5 of each every day for a month during your study time. you'll be inventing decent, simple figures in different poses before you know it. you can come back to dab later.
during the 50% fun time, you don't need to accomplish anything. it's difficult to understand, but you'll get used to allowing yourself to draw with no "should" in your head. (e.g https://youtu.be/MJYGFwGhHnA )
YugamiSekai
2023-01-31 01:27
See, I want to start learning gesture drawing, but every resource I have found on it has been extremely confusing.
BlackLiquidSrw
2023-02-22 20:48
What do you find confusing about it?
YugamiSekai
2023-02-22 21:01
From Proko to Michael Hampton I haven't been able to find a good resource that tells you how to put the elements of gesture drawing together (CSI lines, flow, etc.) despite them all going to details about what said elements are, and the fact that pretty much everyone creates gesture drawings differently so I usually have no idea if I'm doing any of it right at all (which I'm pretty sure I'm nowhere near doing it right). Maybe I just need to know a bit of actual anatomy.