Uncomfortable's Advice from /r/ArtFundamentals

Lesson 5: Drawing Animals

http://drawabox.com/lesson/5

2015-03-14 17:43

Uncomfortable

victoriarosie

2015-03-16 03:06

Here is what I have been working on today. It isn't complete but I was hoping you could give me some feedback because I know it could be better.

Uncomfortable

2015-03-16 23:01

The problems are definitely in the lay-in stage. It's kind of difficult to pinpoint what you're doing wrong though, since a lot of the clues are covered up by detail. Could you give me four or five drawings stopping before the detail phase?

victoriarosie

2015-03-16 23:02

I'll get right on it.

victoriarosie

2015-03-17 03:33

Lay ins.

Uncomfortable

2015-03-17 22:29

Two things:

  • Structure. Imagine the different parts as parts of a machine that you're connecting together. Pieces can't just float off of others, you have to know where exactly they connect.

  • Proportion. Pay special attention to the distances between different parts of the body. It might help to look at that circle you start off with for the head (which is usually the cranial mass) and use it as a measurement device. You don't have to be super accurate, but right now you have a tendency of drawing very long bodies.

I did a more detailed critique which you can see here. If you have any other questions (or can't decipher my handwriting) feel free to ask.

Thick_Noodles

2015-03-23 18:05

Took a short break from these lessons, but I'm ready to get back into it.

I have a question, though: When using a focal point, how much detail should we leave outside of it?

From what I understand, we add little bits of detail on the outline of a furred or textured thing to imply that it's there, but when detailing atop the mass itself (that is, within the outlines of the creature), wouldn't that make it moot because it's within the silhouette? Like with the Mexican Wolf, for instance, fur is visible outside of the focal point as well, on the body of the wolf.

Sorry if it's a dumb question, but I've been wondering for a while now. :(

Uncomfortable

2015-03-23 18:20

It's all about building a focal point - the circle is just a tool to make you, as the artist, remember where you want your focal to be. It's easy to get distracted.

The problem arises not so much from the amount of detail, but the result of the detail - contrast. Adding a lot of visual information in a spot will generally increase the contrast between light and dark in that area. That's what draws the eye, and if you're drawing the eye to an area that is not a focal point, you'll have competition between it and your intended focal point.

I'm far more interested in seeing peoples' understanding of depicting structure and form - so I leave the amount of detail up to you guys. All that matters to me in regards to that is that you have more detail in the focal area, and less outside of it. That doesn't mean you have to leave everything else empty - you just have to have a notable ramping up as you enter that focal circle, so the eye is drawn to it.

Thick_Noodles

2015-03-23 18:33

Ah, I see. So, from what I can understand, I should try to draw the viewer to the focal point, instead of leaving the viewer confused with too much detail. There can be detail outside of the focal point, but it should not overtake that of within it.

Thank you for the explanation. I think I understand it a little better now. :)

[deleted]

2015-03-24 19:07

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Uncomfortable

2015-03-24 19:24

Excellent work! Your animals all look extremely lively and fluid, whilst maintaining clear volumes, forms and constructions. Your notes are also very informative, it's clear that you studied your subjects a lot.

I believe you came in with very strong observational skills, but what's really kicked your work up to the next level is the attention you're paying to the underlying forms and how they fit together.

I really liked your winged fish by the way, it looks really believable! I ended up showing it to my coworkers.

Milvolarsum

2015-03-25 12:25

Hey, I finally finished the fifth lesson :)

Well, I´ve got a huge amount of drawings now. Hopefully this is ok. I´m not realy happy, but I will leave the critique to you.

Those were the first 8 pages I did, somehow I didn´t get it right and got rather frustrated. (At page 3 I even left a fish completely flat ^^´)

[I decided I needed some live drawings, those are from my parents house

](http://imgur.com/a/PRR39)

After this I did more canine and cat drawings, trying out different things, I realised that I probably tend to rush the whole drawing and that my paper is not good for ink.

Got a new sketchbook and am much happier with my results.

And now I´m going to study some of virtualsoldiers work :)

Uncomfortable

2015-03-25 21:55

Definitely a good idea to study /u/VirtualSoldier's work. In doing so, one thing you'll notice is that you're not really solidifying your forms early on. I'm noticing that you seem to be getting overwhelmed by the detail, so you quickly end up jumping into that - because it's very difficult to see anything beyond it.

Think about how you approached your insects. They all had clear volumes and forms. You used contour lines to reinforce that, and you understood how each piece connected together. Take a look at this.

Some of your drawings are good, but the problem is that they're hit-and-miss because they don't rely on any sort of underlying framework and understanding to ensure their quality.

To help you deal with this, I'd like to see three more pages of animals - whichever animals you like. This time, however, only draw their lay-ins. They should be entirely recognizable, but without any sort of extra detail. Remember to treat them like a more organic version of the form intersections, and if you get stuck, look back at your insect homework.

Milvolarsum

2015-03-28 11:38

http://imgur.com/a/ZShCo

Here it is. I think it would be a good exercise for me to do some more Lay ins. I´m going to challenge myself to do 5 animal Lay ins every day until the first of may :)

Uncomfortable

2015-03-28 16:45

Much better! And that's a great challenge to give yourself. I especially like that you've given yourself an end date. It's much easier to complete a challenge when you know it'll end.

Now that you're starting to get the lay-ins down, I'd like to see just two more pages of full animal drawings.

Milvolarsum

2015-03-30 19:40

Finished :)

And here are some of the other form intersections.

Uncomfortable

2015-03-30 23:34

Pretty decent. I really like the frog in the top left of page 2. Just don't forget to 'ground' your animals, by literally drawing a bit of the ground underneath them. Usually the outline of the drop shadow is sufficient, or a little bit of dirt/grass detail, as you see in my demos.

victoriarosie

2015-03-26 05:37

Yay I finished!

Uncomfortable

2015-03-26 23:15

Definitely an improvement. I'll mark this lesson as complete, though you definitely have a lot of room to improve, so I'll point out things that you missed out on.

Most importantly, I think you're still not putting enough into your lay-ins/constructions. Sometimes you'll do more construction work on the legs, for instance, but often times you still leave them underdeveloped. See?.

You should be focusing on the initial construction. Think back to the previous lessons. Everything is a form intersection, everything is made up of rudimentary 3D forms. We may draw them as 2D shapes initially, but we always keep those volumes in mind and try and reinforce them whenever we can. Don't let the details overwhelm you.

Though at times your proportions are still off, you do have quite a few good ones that make me confident you're understanding the general idea. #2 on page 7 looks good, as does #1 on page 9. Your squirrels and sharks are pretty well done too.

Anyway, you should definitely keep practicing the animals, but for now I think you're ready to move onto the next lesson.

victoriarosie

2015-03-26 23:23

Your piggy tho.

Tarrazan

2015-03-31 21:27

http://imgur.com/a/naN2k Here it is....

I'm sorry i haven't posted anything earlier, i feel really uncomfortable showing my " work" in public. I'm really frustrated that i can't see much progress, so i've finally grown a little pair of balls to show (some) of my homework.

Uncomfortable

2015-03-31 21:31

I'm glad to hear that you've mustered up the courage to post some of your homework, but you need to start at the beginning. The reason I insist that everyone submits all of their homework is because it makes it much more straightforward for me to deal with the lower-level problems that become obvious on those initial exercises.

It has both the benefit of being much clearer for the person receiving the critique, and of being much easier for me to give the critique. So, if you would like me to help give you direction, please start by submitting your homework for lesson 1.

cartoonishguy

2015-04-01 03:59

I uploaded my first attempt just as I think the original lesson was being re-done so it fell through the cracks. I wasn't happy with my own results so I drew a few more animals as practice but then I got really busy and took a some time away from drawing. I picked it up again late last week and redid the lesson entirely. So three albums with the 3rd being the most recent!

Also, I love the way you've written the new lessons too! Very informative and helpful. And the videos great too! You're the man.

First - http://imgur.com/a/scf7z

Second - http://imgur.com/a/ewQ5b

Third - http://imgur.com/a/VP15a

Uncomfortable

2015-04-01 22:20

You definitely show a great deal of improvement over the three attempts. That said, there are several major issues with your approach.

  • Most significantly, I see a lot of wasted linework. Your lines are uncertain, and therefore unplanned. It means that you are thinking on the page itself, rather than attempting to think through in your mind and draw the results. It's true that I encourage drawing through forms, but that is because those forms are key to understanding how the object sits in 3D space. The forms themselves, their positioning and orientation, you understand in your head and then transfer on paper. They're generally easier to understand because they're but simple forms.

  • Sometimes you're skipping a lot of the steps I demonstrate in the lesson, other times you do the steps but do them very loosely or incorrectly. When you start, you block in the three major forms - cranium, ribcage, pelvis. You're not just drawing arbitrary ellipses, you're blocking in where the entirety of that form exists. Actually look at your reference and see where the rib cage begins and ends, how it's angled and oriented. Then draw a simplification of it that roughly matches in position, rotation and scale.

  • Remember that while these forms are generally organic, they're still form intersections (like from lesson 2). Every form should fit together. This is a mistake I see a lot of people make, and a good example of it is on heads. They'll draw the cranial mass (which is a ball) and then arbitrarily draw the head around it. The snout is a box that connects to that ball, so you should draw it as one, keenly aware of how they fit together. The entire body should be treated in this fashion.

  • Don't forget that these forms you're drawing are 3D. A lot of the torsos I see look very flat because you yourself are not perceiving them as 3D forms as you draw. Practice your organic forms with contour lines beforehand, and then try and apply those principles to your animal drawings.

Keeping everything I've mentioned above in mind, give this lesson another shot.

thetickdr

2015-04-05 20:19

Hello.

It's been a really long lesson for me. As it was a hard one.

Part of homework with hybrids is very interesting and fun.

Hope there is some improvement in these drawings.

At least I've learned a LOT about the animals I thought I knew.

Penisbreathlikeroses

2015-04-19 04:29

Took a while but here is mine ---> http://imgur.com/a/wai2T

Uncomfortable

2015-04-19 18:17

Great work. I especially liked how your birds came out. I'm not 100% sure where I sit on doing your lay-ins with marker. It kind of sidesteps the benefit of doing the whole thing with black ink (which forces you to really think through your decisions). It'll probably be better for you to stick to just the black pen for these exercises.

Either way, overall you did really well. Some of your lions are a bit derpy, but it happens. Onwards to the next lesson!

frankensteeen

2015-04-21 05:07

How did I do?

Uncomfortable

2015-04-21 23:02

You're getting there, but you're not spending enough on the lay-ins. Right now I don't see anything resembling figure 2.3 (from the mexican wolf demo), where I flesh in all of the major forms. You jump too early from a basic lay-in of the cranial mass, the ribcage and the pelvis, to the whole animal.

A really good example is on page 8, the front view of the rhino. We have no idea at all how that horn - a solid, 3D mass - connects to the rest of the head. Similarly, we don't know how the muzzle of the rhino connects back to its cranial mass. If you look at the wolf demo, I've got a solid shape coming off the circle to represent the muzzle.

You always want to be building forms off of other forms. If you find yourself with random shapes floating around, chances are you're missing an intermediary step.

Generally you did a good job with the detail, though. You're very close, I think just fixing up the lay-in stage will push you to the next level.

I'd like to see two more pages of animals, with a greater focus on lay-in constructions.

frankensteeen

2015-04-25 18:36

I'm not really sure if I'm getting it

Uncomfortable

2015-04-25 20:44

Not bad! Just don't forget that animals are, like all things, made up of solid forms - and these forms connect to each other. You have a tendency to have the shoulder joints floating around on the body, instead of pinned down to connect at a specific point.

Also, don't forget that as solid forms, it helps to consider how the planes of the body are separated - the underbelly, the side, the top, etc.

Also, all penguins must wear tuxedos at all times.

frankensteeen

2015-04-26 01:24

Like this?

Uncomfortable

2015-04-26 04:22

Pay closer attention to your proportions. Also, no more posting one page at a time, it's much easier to notice patterns and tendencies when I look at a whole body of work rather than a few drawings.

frankensteeen

2015-04-26 05:56

Sorry, I'm confused. Do I do all the homework again, but with more lay-in focus?

Uncomfortable

2015-04-26 06:00

Oh, sorry- it wasn't clear to me that what you posted today was in response to the original critique I'd done. It's tough to keep track of things, but replying to the original comment chain helps.

No, I think I'll mark the lesson complete. Not perfect by any stretch, lots of room to grow, but you're moving in the right direction.

GeckoNinja

2015-05-02 15:01

Hi, its not finished but i found something that i'm having trouble with

http://imgur.com/a/OOekA#0

even tho i think my birds are okay, the non hooved quadrupeds look horrible, i tried several times, the pages here posted are the 2 best of them and they are still waaay worse comparing to the birds. Do you have any tips?.

also im pretty bad at texturing, VirtualSoldier stuff is so much more beautiful :(

Uncomfortable

2015-05-02 20:32

Your birds are pretty awesome - especially that eagle. The reason it's awesome is because all of your forms connect to each other at specific points. The wings, the legs, you can see how they fit together with the body.

Your quadrupeds, however, do not. You pretty much draw three circles and then ruuuuush to the detail phase. No form, no connections, nothing solid whatsoever. With those lynxes, you seem to try to move more towards fleshing things out, but there's little attention paid to how those legs connect to the main body, and even less to how the upper leg connects to the lower leg, and the paw to that.

Remember that everything is a 3D form. That circle of the head is a sphere, and your muzzle is going to be a box that extends off of it. Nothing should be floating around arbitrarily.

[deleted]

2015-05-09 05:36

Not finished yet, but would like some pointers if I am going in the right direction thanks. http://imgur.com/a/ZaDhb

Uncomfortable

2015-05-09 15:55

I'm noticing a couple things - your lay-in linework is very timid and uncertain, and also rather sketchy. Draw with confidence, but think about whether or not a mark you're making contributes anything of value before you make it. A valuable mark will do one of two things - it'll either be a part of the final drawing, intended to help convey information to your viewer, or it'll help you as the artist understand the forms you are depicting (like contour lines, or drawing through forms). If a line does not fall into either of these categories, then it should not be drawn at all.

I did want to point out that I do not take homework submissions when the prerequisite lessons have not been completed (in this case, lessons 1 to 4), as it puts extra work on my plate to go through material that may have been covered earlier on. That's why I haven't given you a critique that's terribly specific to your drawings.

You're welcome to my critiques of course, but only if you start from the beginning.

[deleted]

2015-05-09 16:16

Yeah, I probably get what you're saying. I will definitely go through the lessons, I did not realise it will increase your workload. Anyway I really like this subreddit and what you're doing here!

aaphk

2015-05-16 03:21

heres my homework http://imgur.com/a/z5eto#15

Uncomfortable

2015-05-17 17:54

Hm... There's definitely some problems here. Some of them are better than others, but they generally feel like your foundation - your lay-in, basically - is not being done correctly. The drawings tend to be very sketchy and exploratory, and some of your textures/details are very scribbly. Essentially, you're not paying enough attention to your reference, and you're not looking closely enough.

The biggest concept I try to push with all of these lessons is the idea of thinking before you put a mark down on the page. There are two kinds of acceptable marks. The ones that help convey information to the viewer (these are the ones we usually attribute to a clean, final drawing), and those that help you as the artist understand what you're doing. If a mark you're about to make does not fall into either of these categories, it should not be made. We make a lot of these marks when we're sketching roughly and trying to explore right on the page, rather than trying to think through it in our heads first.

As for the specifics of what you're doing wrong, I'd like to ask you for two pages of lay-ins. Don't go into any detail, just do what you consider to be the lay-in phase, and I'll be able to point out things you might have misunderstood. Right now it's hard to discern your lay-in from your details, so I don't want to accidentally misinterpret part of your process.

aaphk

2015-05-21 01:47

hi, here's the two pages http://imgur.com/a/zBXoa#0

Uncomfortable

2015-05-22 23:08

So there are definitely some core problems in how you're approaching the lay-ins. Most of them are a matter of not following the lesson.

Most significantly, you're both thinking and drawing at the same time. What I try to instill in people with these lessons is the idea of separating those two steps out. You need to make a mark on the page, so you think about what kind of mark you need. Then you plan your approach, make sure you're comfortable with the motion you need to use to draw the mark. Then once all of that is sussed out, you draw the line.

Instead, you're figuring out what kind of mark you want to make by drawing. This leads to a lot of extra lines that contribute nothing to your drawing, and make it more difficult for you to understand.

You want to try to keep your lay-in simple. The lines you include there should either convey something to the viewer (so basically you intend it to be a part of the final drawing) or it should help you as the artist understand your forms (like drawing through forms, or adding contour lines). Anything that does not fall into one of those two categories simply should not be drawn.

Looking up, I just realized that I'd mentioned all of this in my initial critique. Oh well, it's worth mentioning twice!

Anyway, I took your cat and found a somewhat similar pose, and did my own breakdown of how I would approach it. Notice how it's very purposeful? I'm not exploring anything, everything I draw on there is clear and planned.

It's important not to treat this as some kind of approximate sketch. I know that's how we've all approached things til now, but that's something you've got to shed.

Another demo/breakdown you might find interesting is one I made the other day for someone else.

Anyway, I did want to point out that some of your initial drawings were quite good. The birds on the first page, and the hyena on the bottom left of page 5 were some good examples. Still, it's very much hit-and-miss because of the fact that you're being very loose with your lay-ins, and also because you're not always paying close attention to the proportions of your reference. If you can take the time to get those proportions right in the lay-in, you'll do just fine.

aaphk

2015-05-27 02:56

Ok, Ive done it http://imgur.com/a/AIyNT#0 not sure if I've done any better though.

Uncomfortable

2015-05-27 22:22

I am starting to see a little more structure, so that's good. And I really do like the hind legs of the wolf on page 2. Also, your forms seem a little more purposeful. You're exploring less on the page and thinking through your decisions more.

What I'm not seeing though is a whole lot of attention paid to your reference images. This isn't an uncommon issue, really. I often see students looking too little at their reference and too much at their drawing. Our memories are not very good, especially initially, so after a couple seconds of looking away, we end up making up more of what we're drawing. This results in proportions that are way off. You should probably spend 80% of your time studying your reference, at the very least.

I'd like you to try another two pages. Focus on your proportions, and also this time don't worry about contour lines too much. For now, even using 2D shapes here and there is okay, as it will allow you to focus more on getting those general proportions right. Later we will come back and merge everything together.

aaphk

2015-05-28 02:33

http://imgur.com/a/LPjK0#0 :)

Uncomfortable

2015-05-28 02:35

I'm going to critique this tomorrow, but could you post the reference images you used?

aaphk

2015-05-28 03:38

rat https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/f0/c9/bdf0c969f2679797aa80debde7ba82b3.jpg

ferret https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/eb/f4/86/ebf4863d89c5ed20293fa2a4fcda7124.jpg

couldn't find the beaver image

lion https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d7/60/f1/d760f1fdaea54a1eee442f8ad0120df9.jpg

hippo https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/53/87/18/5387187337770cf0dbee2c268d76ba4f.jpg

goat https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/93/c7/a3/93c7a3a3723b627384eb68a59f4cd233.jpg

Uncomfortable

2015-05-29 02:55

Alright, I'm tired as hell, but here's another demo.

A few points to take note of:

  • Instead of focusing on making everything 3D, focus on 2D first, up to step 5. Then you can start worrying about refining your shapes into 3D forms. Early on just focus on your proportions and your silhouette.

  • Try not to make everything so bubbly. Balance your use of curves with straight lines.

I do kind of like the back legs on that goat, and the way you tried to tackle the lion's head is admirable (breaking things into planes) but your proportions are still way out of whack.

[deleted]

2015-05-16 20:12

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Uncomfortable

2015-05-17 18:02

Nice work! Generally you seem to have a good sense of form and detail. There's only one thing that really bugs me - your lines don't feel terribly confident. I'm not sure if it's because your pen is dying or the ink just isn't flowing well, or if it's something else. That does lead me into another point though - consider playing with line weights. I've got these old notes from the box stuff which might help. You can use line weight to show overlap or just play with dimension in a drawing. If all your lines are generally the same weight, it'll result in a somewhat boring drawing.

On another note, you may want to look into including as part of your lay-in the specifics on how the limbs connect to the torso, specifically on your quadrupeds. It seems you're leaving some of the shoulder-structure up to chance, rather than cleanly defining how those forms connect. Considering how that part of the body works itself out will help increase the impact of your drawings.

Anyway, I'll leave you to practice that on your own. As far as the lesson goes, I'll mark it as complete so feel free to move onto the next one.

[deleted]

2015-05-18 07:26

I think I got the general forms down, although it took a few tries, but they're not very fluid. Is gesture something I should've tried harder to convey in this lesson, or will forms suffice?

Also I don't think I have the best eye for detail. I do however think I got a little bit better during the lesson, hopefully the rest will come with practice.

Anyway here are my animals: http://imgur.com/a/eKbz4

Uncomfortable

2015-05-19 22:55

Okay, one thing is clear to me. You're getting overwhelmed. You're seeing a lot of information in your reference photos, and you've reached that point where you don't know how to tackle it and you forget a lot of the things we cover in these lessons about simplifying things.

Here's a breakdown of your rhino. I purposely picked the worst drawing of the lot, just so I could cover as many issues as possible.

Compare yours with mine - the main difference is that yours is SUPER complex. There's a lot going on, all of these lines and little details and your forms are bumpy and uneven.

You're jumping into the complicated forms way too early. Go back and read over the lesson again, focus on how the first steps discuss dealing with simple forms only. Also, remember that everything needs to be connected, not just floating arbitrarily on the body.

Then there's the way you're actually drawing. You're using that two-phase drawing technique that we all learn to do. Sketch messy, then cleanup. Don't do that in my lessons. I want you to draw confident, complete forms, and don't clean them up afterwards. See in my breakdown, how I'm drawing entire forms and shapes, and I'm not erasing them afterwards? That's what I want to see from you. You can worry about being clean when you've gotten an handle on this.

Lastly, study your reference more. I've written it in multiple places in that breakdown, so I won't stress it more here. All I want to say is that you're missing a lot of major and obvious elements.

Like I said - reread the lesson, and then redo the homework from top to bottom. You are fully capable of doing much better than this, you're just letting the complexity of the subject matter psych you out.

[deleted]

2015-05-25 23:02

I tried to simplify the animals into simple shapes, and then expand from there. I also tried to draw with confidence and to worrying if it looks pretty. I mostly focused on getting the overall shape right instead of detail.

My pen was beginning to fail so I bought a new one, but only got to use it on the last hybrid animal. Even then it was only accentuating the lines. I also spent longer amounts of time looking at my references, and tried to only use my memory when drawing amalgamations.

Personally I think it "clicked" when I got to the bear, but it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. If it isn't up to par then that's that.

Am I on track, have I improved, or am I totally off?

Here's my second attempt: http://imgur.com/a/ToAMv

Uncomfortable

2015-05-26 21:24

Massive improvement overall, and I also see things starting to click more as you progress through this new set. There's still definitely a lot of room to grow, between taking the 2D shapes (which are a good place to start) and pushing them into 3D especially on the limbs. Essentially, you've completed the first stage, whereas before you were jumping into stage 3 before solidifying 1 and 2.

Another thing you should focus on is proportion. You're doing a much better job of it this time, but as with all things, there's still plenty of room for improvement.

Overall I'm very pleased with the direction you're going in now, so I'll mark the lesson as complete. I do think you should continue to do studies on your own, though, as there's a long ways to go.

Pontmercy

2015-06-11 05:50

Here is mine. I'm still taking my time with these. Drawing the birds went well I think but then there was a drop off in quality. However as I drew more I think that I got better. The pictures are in the order I drew them not the order listed on the homework. I thought this would be better to see my improvement. I ended up putting most of my detail in the faces of the animal because that was usually where the most interesting part was. I guess I am still having trouble seeing and adding detail. I mean I can see the animal(who can't...lol) I just am unsure what details need to be included and how to include them. I tried to stop with the random scribbles, although for some animals(sloth) this seemed like the most appropriate way to depict them. Although the scribbles weren't completely random when I included them. As you said before, I think seeing the details and accurately drawing them is something that comes with time.

Uncomfortable

2015-06-12 22:33

It's definitely a good start. There's a few things that I noticed where you can improve though:

  • When you lay-in, I'm seeing a lot of very timid linework. There's little confidence behind your lines. You're not drawing through your ellipses, your lines are wobbling or broken and scratchy. If you think through what you want to draw, prepare and ghost through it, and then execute when you feel comfortable with your decision, your forms will come out looking more sure of themselves. Then, the forms you construct based on these marks will in turn look more solid.

  • I find you drawing a lot of contours, rather than exploring the different forms and how each part of the construction comes together. For example, for a lot of the limbs you draw the shape of the whole leg, which bends at the joints. You should be drawing each section - separated at each joint - as separate shapes. A solid break at each joint will help you consider how the leg itself bends. This will also force you to consider each individual form, rather than jumping into complex forms (like a bending limb) too early. Simpler, more rudimentary forms are much easier to think about as three-dimensional elements. When you jump into the complex stuff, it becomes dangerously easy to forget about perceiving your own drawing as three-dimensional.

  • Coming off the last point, it doesn't look to me as though you are convinced that much of what you're drawing exists in three dimensions. You need to be able to visualize these things as being 3D in order to convince others of it.

Instead of talking about your texturing for now, I'd like to set that aside. Instead, do another 4 pages of animals, but do not move into texture/detail. Focus on constructing them as 3D objects. Understand how the different components come together in the construction, where they fit together, etc.

Here's a few more demos I did for others that may help you. Focus on how I break up the forms.

Pontmercy

2015-07-14 06:39

Here ya go. I think this is what you are looking for. I was not to confident with the quality of these drawings so feel free to make me do more. One question though. Is there a proper way to hold a pen/pencil? I find myself holding it between my ring finger, middle finger, and thumb because that is the way I have always written.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-14 19:41

It's an improvement, moving in the right direction. I'd like you to do a few more pages, this time moving past the lay-in to full detail. Always remember to study your reference closely, both when constructing the lay-in and when carrying over surface texture information.

I am noticing that your linework is lacking in confidence. You may be drawing a little small, and you may be drawing from your wrist in situations where you'd be better off drawing from your shoulder.

As for your question, there's no ideal way to hold a pen - it's more about what allows you to most comfortably make use of your pen, and your arm. What you're doing now should generally be fine.

Pontmercy

2015-07-31 06:39

Here's some more animals I think they are looking better than my earlier ones. I spent more time on each individual drawing this time than last time. As far as my line work I don't know what to change. With the circles in the beginning I'm afraid to go too fast and create a shape I didn't mean to make. I am also using a smaller pen on the circles so maybe each little quaver shows more? Similar idea for the rest of the lines, I am afraid to go to fast and screw things up. I also usually try to draw with my elbow and shoulder for sure, on some of the smaller details I'm sure I use my wrist though. As far as size, I dunno most of my drawings this time around where lik 3-4 inches across.

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2015-07-31 06:40

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Uncomfortable

2015-07-31 22:21

Big improvement over last time. There's still a lot of room to grow, but you seem to be moving in the right direction now. With a lot of these lessons, it's not the sort of thing you'll master in a week - it still takes a fair bit of practice. My intent is to make sure you're spending that time going in the right direction.

Don't be afraid to screw up. If you screw up a drawing, does it really matter? Is someone grading you? Are you going to lose a scholarship or are you going to have to disembowel yourself out of shame? No, it's just a piece of paper, and I'm nobody. There's nothing wrong having a catastrophic failure next to a pretty decent drawing. It doesn't devalue its neighbour, and the confidence you'll get from letting yourself push your boundaries will have a big impact on your overall progress.

As for drawing from your shoulder/elbow/wrist, it's all about context. Often your detail lines will be drawn from your wrist, because you need finer control in a small space. Overall shapes will be drawn from your shoulder.

Anyway, from what I can see, your drawings have improved in confidence. You still should be drawing through your ellipses however, as I stressed in the early lessons, so you've got to get over your fears.

Lastly, I want to remind you what thighs look like on animals. Your attempt wasn't actually bad, and it definitely helped build up the form. Still, try and think about what a chicken thigh looks like, and how it connects to the chicken's body. Sometimes that helps.

Anyway, feel free to move onto the next lesson. I still hope you'll continue to practice these things for yourself, but you're definitely going in the right direction.

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2015-06-11 18:32

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Uncomfortable

2015-06-12 22:58

Not bad. Lots of room to improve, but you're doing okay. I did notice that you have a tendency to have somewhat scratchy lines. This is especially noticeable when you're putting in texture - you tend to scribble very lightly, which tends to make things look very much as though you're drawing with pencil. The thing about ink is that it forces you to think through the underlying patterns of lines, stippled-dots and other such things to capture the texture of a surface in a way that does not create large amounts of contrast, as your current approach does. The way you approach it creates a lot of visual noise, which makes it a bit confusing to pinpoint a focal area.

Another thing I noticed is that your general constructions are lacking just a little bit. Most specifically, you don't seem to be paying too much attention to how the various components connect to each other, like the shoulder area where the legs connect to the torso. If you look at the following few demos I did for other people, you'll see that I pay special attention to how things connect in the construction phase:

I'd like you to do two more pages of animal drawings, but don't go into the detail/texture phase. Just focus on the construction. Also, you'd probably benefit from drawing significantly larger on the page. Tiny drawings have a tendency to cause the artist to stiffen up.

[deleted]

2015-06-15 18:25

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Uncomfortable

2015-06-15 23:19

Definitely moving in the right direction. You should still probably be drawing a lot bigger, but your constructions are pretty good. I especially like the fox on page 1. The camel on the same page is nice as well, though its hump should be a separate form that connects to the torso. The added bump makes the form kind of complicated, so it's a better idea to approach it in steps as separate forms.

Based on these constructions and the work you did previously, I'll mark this lesson as complete. You definitely have a lot of room to grow, but it looks to me like you have a good sense of what you're doing.

IdleRa

2015-06-24 13:19

Took some time, now I hope this qualifies: http://imgur.com/a/B3HpL

Uncomfortable

2015-06-24 20:20

Nicely done. Your forms are pretty good, and I like your constructions in general. I'll mark the lesson as complete, but here's a couple things to note:

  • Your proportions sometimes need work. Your maned wolf gets taller and taller, your warthog's legs looks kind of like those of a sassy woman.

  • When you draw fur, you don't have to draw every individual line for it. Try to think of ways to draw it instead as clumps, focusing on defining the shapes on the edge of the silhouette instead.

  • When you do your underlines with the green pen, the underdrawing looks great (because you clearly feel more free and confident) but your black lines on top end up looking clunky. Try and achieve that underdrawing in black, and don't bother with the 'cleanup' stage. It's not necessary.

I love your rhino-frog, by the way.

IdleRa

2015-06-25 13:36

Thanks for the feedback. I have some things, too:

  • Concerning the green pen, it's a pretty old fineliner, reads Faber-Castell finepen 2000, and probably was made before the year 2000. Naturally, it's dying. It's a wonder it's still writing. But I don't work with old felt tips only: For drawing purpose, I bought three different felt tip pens to try them out. Among them a no name felt tip pen, died pretty quickly, a simple Stabilo and a Faber-Castell 1511 Document . I was very happy with the last one, good handling, good ink control, and it lasted for atleast 200-300 pages, most of the Draw-a-Box homework in black was made with it. Now, it died during the Drawing Animals lesson (Zebra and chicken are still done with it), I had to use the Stabilo, which is also okay, but has thicker lines than the 1511. I'm going to order a bunch of the 1511.

  • On the previous lesson, you mentioned that I had room to improve my capturing of texture. Now, with the fur, that comes up again. Are there any exercises specially for practicing that, or can I just go back to the Dissections from the Basics ?

And I'm glad you like the rhino frog. Found it was fitting.

Uncomfortable

2015-06-25 19:47

No specific exercises, really. Doing more drawing from reference and life is the primary exercise I can think of, since what you really need to do is practice studying your references. It's a matter of being able to build a mental hierarchy of what you're seeing, and being able to train your eyes to ignore certain things while focusing on others.

citrusred

2015-07-05 20:21

Submission for Lesson 5

Uncomfortable

2015-07-06 20:03

Not bad! There's definite improvement as you move through the lesson. I love page 11, and some of your horses and bisons are quite well done.

I'm going to mark this lesson as complete, but there are a few things I want you to consider, and I definitely think you have room to grow here. First off, there's a lot of benefit that comes from focusing on the animals as 3D constructions. You're still mostly working in the 2D realm, though many of your final drawings do read as 3D objects. The only problem arises where different parts of the body connect - often times, it appears that you do not necessarily have as clear an understanding of where and how they connect to one another. For examples, the limbs connecting at the shoulder to the torso.

This kind of 3D understanding of the animals is what allows the more imaginative merged animals at the end of the lesson to read more believably. If you understand how all the parts fit together, you can interchange them more confidently.

Here's a few demos I did for others who experienced the same problem to varying degrees. Some of them were very much beginners, but ultimately this problem can be seen at a variety of skill levels. I'm sure that once you start to grasp the concept, you'll see a significant improvement in your drawings.

As you can see, they rely very heavily on simply expanding the lay-in process a little further.

[deleted]

2015-07-07 18:42

All finished!

Uncomfortable

2015-07-07 22:27

I liked your llama bear.

I think you're definitely getting there, and early on with your birds, you're definitely fleshing out some nice forms. This, however, falls off when you reach the bears, which come out very flat because you start jumping from flat circles right into full detail (probably because at this point you become very, very concerned with fur). Forget about fur for now.

These animals are constructions of forms that all connect together. In your drawings, the limbs have no clear forms, and when they do, there's no sense of how they connect to the torso. Looking at the llama at the bottom of page 7, its legs just kind of come out of nowhere, rather than connecting to the torso. It may have a heavy coat of fur, but it's up to you to really study the photo reference for the tell-tale signs of how those forms connect to one another. The information is there, but you're not spending enough time looking. Don't trust what you think you see - always go back to the reference to confirm what you think. It's very common for our memory to get distorted and simplified within seconds of observing something, especially when it comes to some of the nuanced detail that we need to learn to pick up on.

Now, you're not alone in this. The vast majority of students who reach this lesson exhibit the same problem. Because of that, I've got a few extra over-drawing demos that I can share with you, that I did for some of the others.

It's all in the lay-in. Detail really doesn't matter at all. Think back to how you laid in your insects - they had concrete forms that all snapped together at specific points. Try to carry that over.

I'd like to see four more pages of animals, but this time I don't want to see any detail or texture. No fur! Just form constructions. Once you've got that down, remind me to explore fur with you a little more, because I will definitely forget.

[deleted]

2015-07-07 23:05

Birds are my strong point for sure, I used to practice figure drawings just of birds because I think they are so cool.

For my 4 pages did you want them to be dedicated one animal per page or just a mix?

Uncomfortable

2015-07-07 23:35

One type of animal per page is still best, so you can explore the same forns from various angles and such.

[deleted]

2015-07-15 23:50

Okay here's a few more

Uncomfortable

2015-07-16 19:31

It seems that you've missed the core point of my previous critique. I can see that you are trying to think through where the limbs connect to the forms, but you're not actually making that a part of your construction.

See? Your limbs are still extending out of nowhere. You've got to understand the things you're drawing as solid 3D forms that start and end, have volume and occupy space. It's very easy to let the fact that you're drawing a 2D image on a 2D surface get the best of you, and forget that you are capturing the illusion of 3D form.

Another thing I noticed is that here and there, you're showing a greater need to pay attention to your reference images. Our memories deceive us all the time - the moment you look away from your reference, the vast majority of what you saw is immediately oversimplified. Because of this, it does not suffice to look at your reference now and then - you have to look back at it constantly, after every mark or two, studying it carefully identifying the underlying forms and how everything fits together. Spend 90% of your time studying your reference, and only 10% drawing.

I'd like you to take another stab - another four pages.

[deleted]

2015-07-16 23:41

So is it basically you want me to turn the legs into tubes/cyllindars on their own, closed on both ends? Should I be studying skeletons of these animals too, because with the Beavers no matter how hard I looked at the references sometimes I would only see a fold of fat, covering the front arms until the hands.

As for the hooves, should I be guessing as to what they are/where they end if my reference photo did not show them?

Sorry I'm not trying to be combative or anything I just feel lost and frustrated at this point.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-16 23:44

For now, stick to animals where you can clearly interpret the forms that make up their bodies, and stick to reference photos that don't cut sections off. In time, you will become more familiar with how bodies generally work, and you'll be able to catch the subtle cues in how that fat/fur is arranged that hint at the structure underneath.

[deleted]

2015-07-23 19:23

I'm sorry for the first image's rotation, imgur didn't let me edit that one for some reason.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-23 20:15

Much better! You're doing a much better job of capturing the volume of the forms - they look convincingly 3D now.

I'd like two more pages, this time with full detail. Also, for each one try to focus on identifying the nuances of the constructions. For example, right now you seem to be drawing a lot of the torsos as simple tubes (which is totally fine right now), I want you to pay special attention to how how it tapers and tucks near the back. For example, look at this fox.

I think you're making great progress, keep it up! I'll mark this lesson as complete once you've finished this last two page set.

[deleted]

2015-07-23 20:18

Thank you! For these last two, would you like one animal per page again? Or an assortment?

Uncomfortable

2015-07-23 20:21

That's up to you.

jaimeiniesta

2015-07-24 09:48

Hello, here are my drawings of animals:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kcwb7p15x1cbv3g/AACcf8_egw4CtCgdcXZvG5hua?dl=0

Uncomfortable

2015-07-24 22:28

Generally you did a great job. Good variety of animals, a good illusion of volume in your forms. There's only one issue that will take your drawings much further as far as the construction goes.

The animals are made up of several different forms - we must be aware of how each of these forms connect to one another. The biggest issue is that the shoulders are often left undefined in your drawings - so you've never really made the decision as to how the limbs connect to the torso. See?.

This is a really common mistake that people make, and chances are I don't cover this in enough detail in the lesson itself. As a result, I've ended up with a bunch of rough demos that stress the idea of connecting forms to one another. You should give them a look.

I'd like to see two more pages - I was considering letting you head to the next lesson, but ultimately decided that you'd benefit more from just spending a little longer here.

On another note, your bird fish made me laugh. Kind of scared it's going to want to eat itself though. Thank goodness it hasn't got a beak.

jaimeiniesta

2015-07-25 17:08

Thanks for the review!

I see the point about making clear where the limbs connect to the body, in fact I thought something wasn't fine about the limbs on the drawings but I wasn't sure why. Thanks for pointing this out.

I've added 2 more drawings to the folder (animals-14.jpg and animals-15.jpg), what do you think?

Uncomfortable

2015-07-25 21:21

It's definitely an improvement. I'm going to mark this lesson as complete, but there's two other things I want to draw to your attention.

First off, instead of considering every surface as smooth and curving, think about them as having defined faces. For example, your animals' torsos can be divided into the belly, sides and top/back. While the transitions between those faces are still gradual and smooth, it's important to be fully aware of them, and even mark them in. Often times it's too easy to get away with just drawing everything as smooth and rounded, because that does not require you to make those kinds of clear-cut decisions about where one side ends and another begins. This also undercuts the solidity of your forms. The same can be said about the limbs, that they have multiple sides/faces to them that should be considered.

The other thing was that you should definitely slow down when considering the textures on your reference material. At times you do a good job (I quite like the turtle on page 12) but it's important to spend more time looking at the reference.

Our brains are tricky - the moment we look away from the image, it immediately starts to simplify everything that we recorded into our memory. Because of this, the vast majority of what we observed gets lost to us, requiring us to look back at the reference once again, after only drawing a few marks. The problem is that this is not a problem we are instinctively aware of. We naturally think that we still have enough of the information to continue drawing for ten, twenty seconds, or even more.

Don't trust your memory - continue to look back at the reference and try to identify specifics about the textures you see. What kind of visual elements are there? Spots, pores, hairs, bumps, etc. Do Are they spread out evenly over the surface, or do they tend to cluster together in groups? If you catch yourself applying the same simple cross-hatching pattern to everything, you're probably not observing things closely enough.

Anyway, like I said, you're progressing nicely. These are simply things you should keep in mind as you move forward, and as you continue to practice these things on your own. Feel free to move onto the next lesson.

jaimeiniesta

2015-07-25 21:51

Thanks a lot again for your review, will take care of these details.

jaimeiniesta

2015-07-24 14:40

I just read an interesting article about how people on the Middle Age managed to draw elephants, an animal that had not been around Europe since the fall of the Roman Empire. It's in Spanish but you might try Google Translate, or at least follow the links for some nice illustrations:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/07/21/ciencia/1437431062_030845.html

There, you'll find a link to this other web page that has a lot of elephant variations from those ages:

http://uliwestphal.de/ElephasAnthropogenus/

Enjoy!

Uncomfortable

2015-07-24 22:35

Very cool! It's really neat to see how they were filling in all of their blanks with animals they knew - specifically horses. Thanks for the great links.

Cafesoir

2015-07-26 17:23

Here's my homework - http://imgur.com/a/c5Oai#0

I enjoyed drawing animals

Uncomfortable

2015-07-27 22:06

Your drawings are beautiful. Unfortunately, you didn't really follow the lesson at all. You've demonstrated strong observational skills, but didn't do much as far as laying in and using basic forms to construct your subjects. These lessons are not just about being able to draw what you see in a photograph - it's about understanding them, and how their smaller components relate to one another, how those forms connect to each other. This understanding allows you to draw them in different poses and positions from those seen in the reference images.

Please give the lesson another shot. Also, since I am not marking this one as completed, I will not be critiquing your submission for the next lesson. Please refrain from moving forward before having the previous lesson marked as complete.

Cafesoir

2015-07-28 17:49

Done http://imgur.com/a/z2FTH#0

Uncomfortable

2015-07-28 20:05

Definitely much better. There is one thing I want to draw your attention to though.

Your approach to drawing is generally very loose and a little sketchy. As far as capturing detail, this works well for you, as it is quite visually appealing. When it comes to construction and general lay-ins however, it tends to be less effective.

To an extent, it's a matter of thinking and visualizing, versus drawing and exploring your shapes right on the page. The former requires you to know exactly what marks you want to put down on the page beforehand, while the latter has you kind of exploring and putting down more ink before nailing the shape you wanted. Usually that results in more timid linework and less solid forms.

Now, I don't want you to completely change the way you draw - like I said, I like the way you capture detail. When you do your lay-ins, however, I want you to put emphasis on drawing complete, closed, solid forms. No gaps between the lines, no wobbling or wavering. Ghost the crap out of your lines so they end up being exactly what you visualized and intended.

Then, once that lay-in/construction is complete, you can apply details with your usual approach.

I'd like you to do just two more pages, taking what I've said here in mind. I'd also like you to take a picture of each drawing when its construction is done, before you start going into detail.

Cafesoir

2015-07-29 14:46

http://imgur.com/a/5n9SC#0

Uncomfortable

2015-07-30 00:11

Fairly well done. I really like the one with the dog in the play-position. Or.. digging. Or whatever it's doing! It's very energetic.

I'm going to mark this lesson as complete, but I'd like you to take a look at this breakdown. There are a few areas where you could improve on your construction, so keep those in mind as you move forward.

You definitely will find that these drawings aren't as good as your first set - that is mostly because you're not familiar or comfortable with this particular approach, so it's like wearing a stiff new pair of jeans rather than a pair that's been broken in. Give this constructive approach to drawing a fair shake, let yourself get used to it for a little while, and then if you still feel that you preferred the results from your initial technique, you can feel free to scrap it.

MintGreenTeaLeaf

2015-08-01 08:01

Here is my homework thanks for providing the lessons and feedback. These lessons and tutorials are really great and have helped me a lot.

I have a question how do you find a balance between form, proportion and gesture? Its something I had difficulty with when working on this assignment and I was wondering if you had any tips.

Thank you :D

Uncomfortable

2015-08-01 15:51

Those zebras came out really well.

In general though, many of your concerns (in regards to gesture, form and proportion) are rooted in your lay-ins. Right now yours are looking rather loose and unclear. Rather than dropping in rough ellipsoid shapes and then going to town on them, it's important to hold yourself back and try and think through the spatial problems.

The lay-in is a construction. It's composed of 3D forms that intersect with one another at specific points. No elements float arbitrarily, they all exist in relation to their neighbours.

Right now, you're drawing loosely because you don't have a firm idea of what it is you want to draw before putting your pen to the page. I call this 'thinking on the page', where you explore your shapes before really thinking them through and visualizing them in your mind's eye.

Before you draw, take a step back and consider what forms you need. There's always the cranial mass of the head. This isn't the whole head, just the spherical mass that functions as a base for the rest of the skull. So, you draw a sphere. It's great that you draw through your ellipses, but you should probably work towards tightening them up.

Next you've got the ribcage and the pelvis. The relationship between these three elements will define your gesture. Consider, looking at your reference, the size and orientation of the ribcage and pelvis, and try to capture those forms on the page. Of course, we're doing this in a simplified manner, so an organic egg often works, but it's important to focus on the fact that it has volume and is sitting at a relevant angle.

The same way, you continue to build up your forms. After adding the spine (which like a string, flows through the cranial mass, ribcage and pelvis, as the embodiment of your gesture), you keep building it up by adding more solid forms. Consider where the shoulders sit, where the limbs attach to the torso, and so on.

Here's a bunch of other demos I've done on the same idea, of constructing with solid forms and clear points of intersection:

You're not particularly far off, but I would like you to do four more pages of animals. I'd like you to take pictures of the lay-ins before you move onto any stages of detail as well.

Tarrazan

2015-08-09 22:33

I'm supporting you on Patreon, so i'll hope you'll take the time!

Here it is! : http://imgur.com/a/D8rir ( I have made sure the pictures are properly rotated this time )

I have spend a little more time on this , than i usually do on the asignments, and though i'm still not satisfied, i think that ( at least some of) my drawings show progress. At least i feel like i'm starting to understand what i'm doing.

Uncomfortable

2015-08-09 23:01

Some are definitely better than others. Your hybrids were interesting, and they do bespeak a growing understanding. But we've got to take it further.

In a lot of these, I see a core problem that I've seen in a lot of others. Your lay-ins are lacking.

Basically, you've got to perceive the whole body - every part of it - as a form that connects with other forms. The limbs connect to the torso at some discrete point, the lower leg connects to the thigh at another, and so on. These have to intersect clearly, not just float around in relations to one another.

Check out these extra demos I've drawn over the past few months.

Focus on how all the bits connect together, and remember that they are 3D forms with volume. Like this.

I'd like you to try another six pages, but don't go into detail. Stick to only drawing the lay-ins, focusing on drawing complete and discrete forms (don't be loose - think before every mark you draw, and don't think on the page, you should have a clear idea of what the mark you're going to draw looks like).

Tarrazan

2015-08-17 19:30

Here it is : http://imgur.com/a/RZXjm

I read and re-read your demos, and to be honest i was a little confused the first time ( As you might see on the first 2-3 drawings) However after i reread, and spend some more time on the demos i started to understand it somewhat better, and i think this can be seen especially in the drawing of the rat and the drawing of the Hippo.

Uncomfortable

2015-08-18 00:48

I see significant improvement with the hippo and the rat - the hippo especially, its head is really impressive. With some of the others, I see the need to pay much more attention to your proportions, but that will come with time and practice. In general you're moving in the right direction.

I did notice some fundamental problems with how you tackled the bison - problems that I think you've solved on your own, but I felt it important to emphasize them. Check out this overdrawing. Sorry about the quality of the handwriting - I'm out of town at the moment, and don't have a tablet. I've been having to use my laptop's stylus functionality which is really poorly calibrated.

Anyway, I do think you have room to grow here, but you're going in the right direction. So keep up the practice with this material, and feel free to move onto the next lesson.

Feorious

2015-08-10 06:07

It's been so long since I submitted my last homework and that's mostly my fault but over the last few weeks I finished this with the last page being done today. So here it is http://imgur.com/a/NKBUs

I focused on Australian native but there are no hooved quadrupeds so I did two that were introduced. I know Camels don't really have hooves though.

Uncomfortable

2015-08-10 13:55

Unfortunately, I recently made an announcement about critiques in August being limited to patreon supporters only, since I'm totally swamped with work from my full-time job this month. Regular free critiques will resume on September 1st, so you should resubmit your homework then.

If you do happen to be a patreon supporter though, send me a message via Patreon with your Reddit username so I know to associate the two accounts.

Feorious

2015-08-10 23:07

No worries I'll send you a message via patreon in a little bit, both names should be the same.

Uncomfortable

2015-08-10 23:25

Ah! Sorry about that. Either way, I just got home from work so there was no delay :D

Anywho, your drawings are well done, but there is a major element of the lesson that you are missing. Despite that, your constructions do generally show a strong sense of form and volume, and while at times your proportions get a little wild (your horses), you're doing a pretty solid job.

Now, I do want you to grasp this bit that you're missing, so I won't be marking this lesson as complete.

Essentially, what you're missing is that you're not considering the construction as a series of simple connecting forms. You're achieving good volumes with the contour lines, but you're not considering how the different parts of the body intersect. The actual points of connection are important, because they allow you to understand those forms in relation to one another.

This is a fairly common problem, though most end up completely losing sense of the three-dimensionality of the animals. You're at least maintaining that, so nailing this shouldn't be too difficult once you're pointed in the right direction.

Take a look at these demos I've done in the past:

Focus on how when I lay in the forms, I'm drawing complete, solid forms and shapes for every component, and making sure that I define how they all connect to one another. Don't worry about using as few lines for your lay-in - use as many lines as you need. I did notice that you were a little timid in this area, thinking too much about how the final drawing in full detail would turn out.

I'd like you to do three more pages of animals, but only the lay-in constructions. Don't go into any textural detail, just focus on the forms.

By the way, I loved the camel-cassowary.

Feorious

2015-08-11 06:17

Ok, I wasn't sure if I was going to do these today but I had the energy so gotta use it up while I can.

p.s sorry about the crumpled paper, we had a misunderstanding but have since sorted it out :P

p.p.s I must be tired afterall, I forgot the link http://imgur.com/a/aRmbc

Uncomfortable

2015-08-12 00:29

Looking good! I'll mark this as complete, feel free to move onto the next one.

PLsim

2015-08-12 00:42

I noticed that with the lessons i (and others i hope) go from unsure how to approach the matter to having it down to a set strategy. it's cool to feel the improvement directly that way in such a short time.

http://imgur.com/a/AAPiz

Uncomfortable

2015-08-12 01:41

Some of these are quite well done! Others show a bit of a struggle with proportion, but that's par for the course.

One thing I think my lesson may have failed to explain particularly well (I see this problem from the majority of people) is the idea of these animals being composed of solid forms that all connect to one another at specific locations. Nothing floats arbitrarily in space - everything is grounded in something else.

You actually did a pretty good job of this in many places, especially when thinking of how the legs connect to the torso. In other areas however - specifically the heads of your jaguars - you tend to have more arbitrary floating.

Check out these demos I did for other people who were facing a similar problem:

Focus on both the fact that the forms connect to one another in an explicit fashion, rather than just floating, and also on how I draw each form completely. Before I draw anything, I stop and think about what form I need next to continue constructing this animal. I don't try and feel it out on the page, and I'm not loose or sketchy. The next step is just another mark, but it's a specific mark and I think hard about what that mark is. Then, once I know it, I draw it in.

I'd like to see another four pages of animals - don't worry about going into detail, just construct a solid lay-in taking these points into consideration.

Zoogdier

2015-09-01 06:18

http://imgur.com/a/gs1SE

I had a hard time finding the ribcage and pelvis in some of these, the torso just looks like a big ball of fur to me, i have this issue with drawing people aswell.

Ps: the force animal drawing book was really helpfull.

Uncomfortable

2015-09-01 23:51

Generally not bad. Your constructions have nice volumes, and generally feel quite dynamic and fairly solid. One issue that I did notice however that your approach does seem to have a full grasp of the idea that all of these basic forms connect together to make the whole. You seem to understand that on some level, but you're not taking it all the way.

The biggest thing related to that which is missing is an acknowledgement of the shoulder joint. Sometimes I see it marked in vaguely, but generally it doesn't seem to be afforded a whole lot of importance, and the arm doesn't necessarily seem to be sprouting from there.

The shoulders/hips are very important - as are pretty much any joint like the knees and so on where multiple 3D forms come together and connect.

As you move forward, take a look at these examples, paying special attention to how I construct the animals from simple forms that connect at specific points.

I'll mark this lesson as complete, and seeing as you already completed lesson 6, I'll go on and critique it.