Uncomfortable's Advice from /r/ArtFundamentals

250 Box Challenge (#2)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/2xiqdt/250_box_challenge_2/

2015-03-01 01:51

Uncomfortable

Just like the older lessons (over 6 months old), the original 250 box challenge thread got locked by reddit. So, here's a new place to post your challenge submissions. Below I've pasted exactly what was in the old 250 box challenge post, so as always, be sure to read those notes.

Oh, be sure to watch this video before doing the challenge! How to Draw a Box

This is a great bit of practice for those who are having trouble with estimating perspective, or understanding the difference between a form that is solid and weighty, and one that is flimsy and unsubstantial.

I want you to draw 250 boxes. Big boxes, small boxes, long boxes, squat boxes, boxes tilted up, boxes tilted down, boxes boxes boxes. Number those boxes, too, so people don't have to count each one! With each box, take your time. Don't try and do them all in one sitting, if your hand gets tired, go do something else. Try your best to make each box correct. Mistakes may occur, they don't all have to be perfect - but they should all be the result of your best effort.

Also, it's best not to have these boxes overlap - draw each one separately. Overlapping would add complication, so lets just tackle one thing at a time.

When you finish a page, go back with a red pen, or a highlighter, or whatever, and mark out your mistakes. Half the battle is being able to quickly pick up what you've done right and what you've done wrong.

When you're done the 250 boxes, submit them here and let others take a look at your accomplishments! There is no doubt in my mind that afterward you'll be better off for it.

Helpful notes you should read beforehand:

If you have any questions, feel free to submit them as comments.

Squael

2015-03-27 21:57

http://imgur.com/a/3eqId

Flarecircle

2015-03-28 16:26

Here's my attempt at 250 boxes. My line weights are really sloppy I feel. http://imgur.com/a/AuO1K

cheerann

2015-03-30 12:44

Hi again! It's been awhile since I finished the 250 box challenge, but I haven't uploaded it til today. I've been having fun learning form intersections. Here are my boxes. The second page of boxes #51-89 I went over with a sharpie that started out dry and proceeded to bleed. So that's why the lines might look funky. I would've done all the pages like that, but I think it blinded me to the errors because the boxes looked so much prettier.

Uncomfortable

2015-03-30 23:41

The line weights on that sharpie'd page definitely look much more dynamic - consider that, going forward. I suppose your reasoning for not doing it everywhere else is wise, though in later drawings you should continue to vary your line weights instead of leaving them uniform.

In general though, you're doing fairly well. Plenty of room to grow, but you're catching most of your mistakes.

cheerann

2015-03-31 08:44

Okay thank you!

jonathansty

2015-03-31 20:02

Hi, I also finished my 250 box challenge.

You can find it here!

The first pages look really bad. I drew them in pencil at the train because I couldn't find my pen :p

Uncomfortable

2015-04-01 02:38

Congrats on completing the challenge. I think the critique I gave for your lesson 2 homework applies here too. Use the ghosting technique, slow down and plan your marks. It'd definitely help to take more time to think through everything you're going to do.

[deleted]

2015-04-02 01:19

finally finished the challenge. i was told to do this before moving on so here it is.

http://imgur.com/a/j8Zg4

Uncomfortable

2015-04-02 22:33

Congrats on completing the challenge. I definitely want to point out that after the first page, your boxes suddenly get really small. It's much easier to get sloppy and to make mistakes when you draw tiny like that, so try to avoid it. Bigger boxes come out looking much more confident, and the lines themselves end up looking finer relative to the size of the box - since on a tiny drawing, lines will immediately start to appear to be very thick and clunky, due to the relationship with the size of the drawing itself.

chocolatechipwookie

2015-04-02 11:55

This took me longer than I would have liked, I had a hard time staying focused when there was so much repetition but I got there eventually.

Uncomfortable

2015-04-02 22:46

Haha, yeah, tedium is the name of the game. You did well though. Glad to see you drew through a lot of the boxes, and played with line weights. Nice work!

OhMyGodsmith

2015-04-04 06:42

For some reason, big boxes were giving me trouble, so that's why I did so many of them. Once I busted my ruler out at the end I realized how horribly curved my lines were, which is probably why a lot of them looked so bad.

Also, I decided to get creative on a few of my boxes here and there, and even tried to make some dominoes in a row on one page (if you couldn't figure out that that's what that's supposed to be). All of the sudden they started getting really big, and I don't know what I was thinking there lol. I wouldn't mind revisiting that concept once I get better overall. http://imgur.com/a/81YnA

Uncomfortable

2015-04-04 19:33

I think the dominos are my favourite. Keep an eye on your near/far plane relationships though. You should definitely go back with a different coloured pen - I noticed that you did in some cases, but you missed quite a bit, so it'd be worth going over it again.

Also, don't forget to use the ghosting technique. Most of your lines are solid and fairly clean, but it might help with the bowing lines, and you have a bit of a tendency to get sloppy near the end.

Anyway, pretty good work. Congrats on completing the challenge.

OhMyGodsmith

2015-04-04 20:18

Yeah, I couldn't find a red colored pen, so I went back over a some of them with blue. The problem with the blue was that it didn't provide quite enough contrast to the black, so it just ended up making a lot of them look muddier.

I definitely agree that a lot of my lines get sloppier towards the end. I think my problem with those was that I was watching the pen more than I was watching where I wanted the pen to go.

I'll hopefully get a red pen later this week and go back over those. Thanks again for doing this. That exercise, though incredibly tedious, taught me quite a bit.

kittenpawer

2015-04-04 15:31

Okay, so I did this Challenge before moving on to Lesson 2 because I wanted to feel more comfortable with drawing boxes. I added a light source on each page for the line weight and shadows. The last 50 boxes were done in organic perspective. I think I'm more comfortable with them right now, but I honestly can't see boxes anymore xD

Here it is: http://imgur.com/a/LOOHy

Uncomfortable

2015-04-04 19:34

Definitely seeing some steady improvement between the beginning and the end. Your comfort level has certainly increased, so I'm pleased to see that. Nice work!

nightningflash

2015-04-04 23:19

260+ boxes later... I unconsciously started drawing them on napkins while waiting for food at the restaurant. Well done!

Thank you for suggesting this exercise. Sometimes my attention still slips but I think the exercise helped a lot.

homework

Uncomfortable

2015-04-05 17:36

Well done, I definitely see a good deal of improvement in both your confidence and your eye for perspective throughout the exercise.

[deleted]

2015-04-05 22:26

Hi. Here's my attempt -- http://imgur.com/a/TZCYc

Looks ugly, despite the time and effort invested.

Thank you

Uncomfortable

2015-04-06 00:45

Definitely seeing a lot of improvement. Keep it up!

AncientLion

2015-04-06 21:53

After lesson 1, i came here to take this challenge and improve my boxes. I still have some mistakes even in the last page, but i think they are better. It took me several days to complete this task, i didn't want to rush.

250 Boxes challenge

Uncomfortable

2015-04-06 23:58

Congrats on completing the challenge. Keep up the good work.

victoriarosie

2015-04-09 07:31

I did the 250 box and cylinder challange and put them together, as you recommended. I numbered the boxes in order, but when I finished those up I did cylinders wayy out of order so it may be weird for viewing progress... didn't think about that til it was too late, sorry.

Annddd... looking at everyone else's submissions, mine is messy as hell.

http://imgur.com/a/TE1FK

Uncomfortable

2015-04-09 22:08

You're either getting way better with the cylinders or getting way worse. I'm hoping the latter (that'd be the case if the ones on page 1 are the later cylinders). I did notice that the vast majority of your cylinders aren't making any use of the minor axis though. The minor axis is super important, because it aligns your ellipses to one another, allowing you to build a believable cylinder between them.

Anyway, I think you're definitely on the right track. Take another stab at lesson 6 - do 4 pages, and we'll see how things have changed.

AND USE THOSE MINOR AXES!

Kolloom

2015-04-10 00:37

Did more than 250 boxes due to my "awesome" math skillz. Had my micron 08 ground flat! In retrospective I think I was too keen on light weight and ended up with bad accuracy, some boxes are not enclosed, many lines are overshot or just ended up not in places I wanted.

Didn't think drawing boxes can be this tedious.(bump head against the wall)

Uncomfortable

2015-04-11 00:52

Tedious as they may be, them's some handsome looking boxes. Very confident. Nice work.

imightynecro

2015-04-12 19:57

Wow that used a lot of ink :D Here are my boxes I've been tackling lesson 2 and have been really struggling with the form intersections, specifically cubes intersecting cubes. So the best thing to do was just draw more cubes. Great exercise.

Uncomfortable

2015-04-13 23:43

Nice work. I hope that helped increase your comfort level!

machufuron

2015-04-14 17:51

I'm brand new to practicing/understanding drawing. The boxes took quite awhile to do and I thought my confidence improved as I went through it. It was a .6 mm Staedtler.

I also went ahead and got the How to Draw book. It's a lot of information to digest but it's been fun studying all of this.

Uncomfortable

2015-04-16 02:49

I'm really glad to see how your lines have become significantly cleaner and more confident as you reach the end of the challenge. Definitely a very nice improvement. Great work!

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2015-04-17 15:48

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Uncomfortable

2015-04-18 01:31

Well done! I think you started off at a point where the mistakes in your early boxes were fairly minor and at times hard to notice, but you worked well towards ironing those out. There definitely is progress between the first and last pages, though since the mistakes themselves were small, at times it's harder to notice.

aaphk

2015-04-18 04:16

Here are my boxes http://imgur.com/a/92Ba1#0 . Thanks for doing this subreddit, I'm really learning a lot.

Uncomfortable

2015-04-18 19:17

Looking good. Your corrections definitely show a good understanding of what you're doing right and what's going a bit awry. You may also want to consider playing with the line weights in the future, as right now all your lines are fairly uniform.

miruchan

2015-04-18 23:54

Hi again! Here are my boxes: http://imgur.com/a/o9nO4

I really took my time doing them, but I still have a lot of problems with bigger boxes and just rotating them on space. I'll keep working on that! Thanks for taking a look :)

Uncomfortable

2015-04-19 18:13

Pretty good. If you ever find yourself having trouble with understanding how the form sits in 3D space, try drawing through it completely (including the lines that you generally wouldn't be able to see).

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2015-04-19 22:50

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Uncomfortable

2015-04-20 21:21

When you start off, your boxes aren't bad, but what's generally lacking is confidence. As you progress, you show a marked improvement. You don't seem as uncertain of yourself.

The only thing I'd say you could change is, when you find a line you draw is slightly off, don't correct it (in this case, don't correct it in black). Leave it as it is, adding more ink will draw attention to the issue.

I award you one more banana.

[deleted]

2015-04-23 15:09

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Uncomfortable

2015-04-25 00:00

Good work. Be sure to move onto playing with line weights in the future, though. Also, if you do some more box-practice in the future, instead of just circling your mistakes with the different coloured pen, it may be more helpful to mark in what you think would be more correct.

marxistimpulsebuyer

2015-04-23 22:28

Ok, here are my 250 boxes. https://imgur.com/a/qylIi

Took me a long time because I've started studying some other things too :( I forgot about the highlighter or red pen since I didn't have one at the beginning. I did concentrate on each mistake carefully and reviewed each page, when I had trouble with some particular type of box I tried to draw that kind of box many times till I got it kind of right. I'm still having problems when going over my lines to make them bolder, I think I was just rushing because I was so bored about the boxes. It was a good challenge though! :)

Uncomfortable

2015-04-25 00:01

It looks good. There's always room to grow, but I think in general your boxes look quite confident, and the line weights come through quite nicely to hold the boxes together.

marxistimpulsebuyer

2015-04-25 00:23

Thanks! See you in the next lessons!

[deleted]

2015-04-26 21:39

I made it!

http://imgur.com/a/dVBxq

It took me so long. Was sort of an emotional journey to draw so many boxes.

I definitely saw the benefit of it. It was hard to do it consistently though. But it made me practice line drawing alot, together with focusing on my shoulder movements. Also made me question my grip a few times..

Uncomfortable

2015-04-27 22:17

I definitely see a lot of improvement over the course of your work. Well done! Just keep an eye on the whole near plane/far plane size relationships. Some of yours are still coming up backwards (with the far plane being bigger), though only just barely.

[deleted]

2015-04-28 16:30

Great, I am glad to hear that. :)

So I am just on to lesson 2 now?

Also before I get started, what are your thoughts on one's actual hand grip?

I saw some discussion on holding the pencil like a paint brush, and that it was actually the "standard" way to draw with pencils on anything bigger than A5. And that the standard pen grip is sort of old school and goes better with drawing details. What do you think?

Uncomfortable

2015-04-28 23:06

There are certain reasons to hold pencils in various ways (each one having its own benefits). For example, when I was taking an analytical figure drawing class, we drew with these conte pencils that we sharpened with knives specifically to expose a long length of lead. Holding it as you would when writing wouldn't really take much benefit of the extra surface area, so other grips definitely would impact how you could use the tool.

Personally, I don't see the benefit from holding a felt tip pen any differently. I could be wrong, but since it's limited to a fairly small nib, however you hold it is really just a matter of comfort. It's a personal choice. Personally, I hold it as I would when writing - which I guess is the 'standard' grip.

And yeah, you're onto lesson 2.

EvasionUp

2015-04-28 00:43

Here are my boxes.

Uncomfortable

2015-04-28 22:33

Congrats on completing the challenge. I do have a few suggestions though.

The biggest thing I notice is that you definitely made the challenge significantly more difficult by overlapping the boxes. By doing so, you bring them into the same scene (similarly to if you had drawn a frame around them) - which means the amount of perpsective distortion on each one will have to be consistent, which can be tricky to get on top of just working on drawing the boxes themselves. It's best to tackle one problem at a time. These notes explain the idea of consistent perspective.

Also, I am noticing that some of your boxes are showing issues with the near/far plane relationships. The farther plane should never be bigger than the closer one. I go over this in the 'How to draw a box' video included in the challenge post. I'm sure you've given it a look, as with all of the notes I included, but I'd strongly recommend watching it again.

All that said, I just realized when completing lesson 1, you said you'd already completed the challenge. Is this what you were talking about, or is this a new stab at the challenge? The reason I'm asking is because the boxes you drew for lesson 1 were considerably better - so if they were done afterward, they show a marked improvement.

EvasionUp

2015-04-28 23:35

I decided to overlap the boxes as I was having a lot of difficulty doing it with the organic perspective. I think I did the first 230 boxes before doing organic perspective. Looking back over some of the pages it seems as if I had made things unnecessarily complicated and lost focus on some of the concepts, which I am hating myself over because I tried to pay special attention to all the notes. I will be adding some kind of exercise to my warm ups that will focus on these things. Thank you so much for taking the time to critique my work.

jaur

2015-05-04 21:04

So many boxes. Great practice though!

jaur

2015-05-04 22:13

All my boxes! Great practice.

Uncomfortable

2015-05-05 22:39

Nice work! I'm definitely seeing a lot of progress. Here's a couple things to keep in mind though - overlapping your boxes will start complicating things, because as soon as two forms overlap, they exist in the same 'scene', so the perspective distortion between them needs to be consistent. Here's some notes on that issue. When tackling this challenge, it's best to draw them separately, so you're only dealing with the problem of drawing a solid box.

Secondly, don't draw boxes that get cut off on the side of the page. Since you're not drawing the whole thing, it's kind of... arbitrary and pointless.

Anyway, congrats on completing the challenge.

Shindel

2015-05-06 02:57

Here's my 250 boxes. Near the end, things seemed to just click, and I was able to start seeing the boxes on the page before I started to draw anything.

http://imgur.com/a/QLfGB

Uncomfortable

2015-05-06 22:10

Nice work! I definitely see some progress in your confidence throughout, especially at that last page. I'm glad that you feel it started to click.

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2015-05-06 16:01

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Uncomfortable

2015-05-06 22:16

Nice work completing the challenge! I definitely notice what you're talking about - often times your boxes kinda come out at very similar orientations, like you're trying to get them to come out different but they tend to default to what you're comfortable with.

One exercise I've seen people do is drawing a box in the center of your page, and then drawing boxes next to it that slowly rotate on a particular axis in regular intervals. Dealing with intervals like that might help force your brain to deal with a wide variety of angles. Ultimately some will come out poorly since you're not comfortable with them, but that's just part of the game. You've gotta make mistakes, and right now it looks like you're terrified of letting that happen.

[deleted]

2015-06-08 16:26

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Uncomfortable

2015-06-09 00:08

It's mostly just practice and getting an eye for it. You're definitely on the right track though, these exercises look solid.

GregoryKC

2015-05-17 14:18

250 Boxes!

http://imgur.com/a/hVKRd

I focused particularly on perspectives that I was uncomfortable with (no pun intended). It was a lot more challenging that I thought it would be, but I think I have achieved a much better eye by the end of the challenge.

Uncomfortable

2015-05-17 18:33

I definitely see some improvement throughout. I do think though that it might be in your best interest to, when practicing this on your own, draw through some of the boxes to get a better understanding of how big that far plane really is relative to the closer one. Right now, the far plane is usually composed of just two lines, so we have to imagine how big it is. Drawing through it will help you get a better understanding of how it all comes together.

Anyway, congrats on completing the exercise.

GregoryKC

2015-05-20 01:26

Alright, I'll give that a try. Thanks again for the helpful feedback!

nodsme

2015-05-23 00:03

Here it is

I used the "Y method" to draw most of the boxes. It took me a while but finally its done.

Uncomfortable

2015-05-23 00:38

Nice work! Congrats on completing the challenge. Just keep an eye on situations like this, where some of your angles go a bit out of whack.

TheNinthFox

2015-05-23 16:47

So here's mine

My lines still feel sloppy, despite ghosting and planning. But there's an upside. Each time I made a mark I focused on how it felt, and I'm pretty sure I know by now how the motion of a proper straight line feels. So I'm gonna concentrate on this feeling and try to replicate the motion along with it.

Concerning the boxes themselves, well, yeah, some horrible ones in there. I tried various angles, and there were some I was really uncomfortable with (no pun intended).

All in all a pretty nice challenge, I think I learned a lot again. I also think I don't want to see boxes for some time now. :D

Uncomfortable

2015-05-23 18:11

I can definitely see that you explored quite a bit - with different ways of drawing boxes incorrectly, and figuring out what exactly made them wrong. The results are that you have made some improvement, and while you have some more room to grow, you are definitely moving in the right direction. So congrats on completing the challenge!

jaimeiniesta

2015-05-26 19:25

Hey, I completed the 250 box challenge, this was fun and helped me to gain confidence:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimeiniesta/sets/72157653376393106/

Uncomfortable

2015-05-26 22:00

Fantastic work. I was actually looking at what you'd posted to twitter, earlier today. Your boxes are solid, and your corrections are right on point. I'm also really glad to see that you experimented with line weight - it definitely helped make your boxes look much more dynamic.

jaimeiniesta

2015-05-27 19:15

Thanks!

I've also just discovered that paper weight makes a difference. The boxes were done on poor paper - I'm now working on 120 grams paper for the 250 cylinder challenge, let's see how it goes.

Tisn_Tuianous

2015-05-26 23:35

Here's the 250 boxes challenge that I've done. Had a few mistakes here and there when trying to do them right. Though, here they are:

https://imgur.com/a/fGBw4

Uncomfortable

2015-05-27 22:01

Congrats on completing the challenge! I must say though, I'm seeing a whole lot of signs of rushing. Don't forget that the core of all of these lessons is the idea of splitting up the process of drawing a line into three phases.

  1. Identify what kind of mark you need. Where does it begin, where does it end, is it straight or curved, etc.

  2. Prepare by finding the most comfortable angle of approach (rotating your page if necessary). Ghost through the motion as many times as you need until the motion feels comfortable and familiar.

  3. The last 10% of the process, continue ghosting through the motion and finally touch the pen to the page and draw the mark in a single consistent and smooth stroke.

It takes a long time at first, but your lines will be straighter, and you'll have fewer messes.

Tisn_Tuianous

2015-05-29 07:32

I see. Will take note of that in the future. Thanks for the critique. Gonna do the drawabox 2 now.

[deleted]

2015-05-27 15:15

Here are mine. I have a dissection on the first page, since I was doing that when I arbitrarily started drawing boxes. Figured I'd just keep going to the 250.

http://imgur.com/a/on9fV

Uncomfortable

2015-05-27 22:47

Good work completing the challenge. I must say though, it's getting pretty muddy there. The lines seem rather thick, and with the corrections done in the same colour, it all gets very busy. For the most part you do seem to be making progress though. I do want to make a suggestion though - when doing this kind of exercise, avoid overlapping the boxes. It's best to tackle one problem at a time, and overlapping multiple boxes introduces other complications.

IdleRa

2015-05-31 19:16

Here are my 250+ boxes. I mostly drew a 'Y' with varied stick lengths and angles and drew the box around it. Sometimes that resulted in extreme perspective drama.

http://imgur.com/a/1lJkF

Uncomfortable

2015-06-01 22:13

Nice work. I like that as you progressed you started experimenting with your line weights. It's true that there's a lot of rather dramatic perspective distortions here, but they still look correct within their own isolated scopes. Of course, if they were in the same scene they'd be inconsistent, but since they're not, you're all good.

NeoEXMaster

2015-06-04 23:21

Finished this up. I tried to be mindful of the criticism you gave me during lesson 1 (the gist of it was ease up on the sloppiness) when I did this. I'll probably start tackling at the cylinder challenge next (unless you want me to start lesson 2) if you feel this acceptable.

My results: http://imgur.com/a/FrXQg

Uncomfortable

2015-06-06 00:08

Congrats on completing the challenge. Your line quality by the end is looking really nice, though you still need to work on the forms themselves. Though they look really confident (which goes a long way to convincing the viewer that they're right), you have a tendency to draw the far plane larger than the near one.

Menteverso

2015-06-07 23:52

http://imgur.com/a/9M6ug

Finally finished :D

I did a lot of experimenting so I feel like the way my boxes look are kinda sporadic throughout the exercise and also I definitely could've slowed down and focused more. I gave my best shot on the page starting at 190.

As a beginner this is so helpful having a structured approach to learning how to draw. Thank you for doing this and I will definitely will be Patreon when I get to those lessons :D

Uncomfortable

2015-06-08 18:27

Good work on completing the challenge. I do have one thing to point out though, that you may or may not have noticed. The vast majority of your boxes are seen from an upwards angle - the orientations are fairly similar. You may want to try varying it up a little more in the future so you don't get super comfortable with one orientation, and not with others.

I've seen some people draw a series of boxes, gradually turning more and more with each subsequent box. You may want to try something staggered like that so each time you're forced to turn it more than the last.

Menteverso

2015-06-10 00:43

Thanks for the advice!

http://i.imgur.com/cMrRWPM.jpg

How is this? I'm still drawing lots of boxes and I will try turning the boxes. I actually did a little bit of that in my HW but I will do more! Thank you :D

Uncomfortable

2015-06-10 19:48

Lookin' good.

davidwinters

2015-06-10 04:54

This is my set of boxes . After I scanned them I could see many more errors than when I held the papers in hand. I felt like each night I started up, it took some time to warm up before I was feeling confident again. I almost wish I had done some of Exercise 1 straight line warmups each night before I started on the boxes.

Uncomfortable

2015-06-10 20:01

Nice progression. Your corrections generally seem on point. You are still struggling a bit with making the far planes a little smaller than the near planes, but you are improving. Keep it up.

urbanrazor

2015-06-14 14:17

Here is the 250 Box Challenge. Completed in 2 days, but unfortunately i lost one of the slips of paper.

It was very fun doing this, and i feel like i'm more confident with my boxes.

urbanrazor

2015-06-14 21:03

Hmm, hope it didn't go in the spam filter again

Uncomfortable

2015-06-14 21:42

:P It did end up in the spam filter again. I have no idea why it keeps targeting you.. did you do something in a previous life?

Anyway, your boxes look solid. I see a definite increase in your confidence as you progress. Keep it up!

urbanrazor

2015-06-14 21:45

Thanks! I really don't know.. i joined reddit about 2 months ago so not in this life.

Uncomfortable

2015-06-14 21:47

I notice that when I try to look at your user overview, it comes up with a page not found. I'm thinking there's something messed up in the reddit database relating to your account, which makes it look suspicious to the spam filter.

urbanrazor

2015-06-14 22:07

This happens to me too. I'll look into it.

Hmm, it appears i've been shadowbanned for some reason. All the replies are now treated as spam. Damn.

vincibe

2015-06-14 14:36

I know I wasn't suggested the challenge, but I wanted to give it a try. I'm interested in doing the cylinders too if that's fine.

Uncomfortable

2015-06-14 18:32

Fantastic. The challenges are open to anyone who wishes to do them - at times I do recommend them specifically to certain people because they need the extra work, but it is of benefit to everyone.

Usually I don't recommend drawing the boxes overlapping, largely because it adds an extra dimension of complexity (since now all the boxes have to have similar levels of perspective distortion, since by overlapping they automatically exist in the same scene/environment). That said, you handled it very well, despite the added complexity.

Great work.

Yiimo

2015-06-14 20:50

I needed an eternity and two days: http://imgur.com/a/ggds2

Uncomfortable

2015-06-15 22:10

Nice work. Confident lines, nice variation on line weight. Keep it up!

konst54

2015-06-15 16:39

Hello!

Starting the 250 box challenge, I faced the following problem. I don't fully understand how angles change. When box rotation is uniform, everything is OK. But I fail to plan and draw non-standart boxes with one side sligthly visible, or rotated just a little bit from the neighbour box the way I want, and so on. Could you give some tips about angle changes mechanics? For example, you can see the picture - I'm not sure here about the axis - what should the angles of Y-sign be and why?

Here I definitely feel, that bottom should be bigger, but why, if the top seems to be closer to viewer (because we see top side)? And so on.

I get some information from rotating a real box, but some practical tips would be very useful too.

Uncomfortable

2015-06-16 00:18

To be honest, your question was confusing as all hell. I did what I could with what you said in explaining how a box rotation works, but more than anything it is something you are going to have to discover by trying it.

I'm guessing the thing you were describing in terms of rotating something very slightly relative to its neighbour was along the lines of this sort of thing. Try and use that as reference and attempt it yourself.

It's much easier to explain what you did wrong, rather than to explain the specifics of how to do something as complex as this.

sketchingaccount

2015-06-15 21:15

i kinda rushed it becaused I wanted to finish it then putting it off i hope its good enough

Uncomfortable

2015-06-15 23:28

You most certainly did rush through them. I'm glad to see that you've tried to complete the challenge, but rushing through them and thinking of it as a number to hit is not going to show very much improvement. When you draw the boxes, you need to consider the lessons and the notes and put your full attention on each one. If you do not put your all into each box, you will improve much more slowly.

I really hope you'll give this challenge another shot, and the time it deserves. Even if you draw only 10 boxes a day - but put your full effort into them - you'll see far more improvement over the course of 25 days.

sketchingaccount

2015-06-16 15:42

yeah i just wanted to finish it but i will do it again and take it slowly thanks

[deleted]

2015-06-19 04:06

After a week of working at it I finally finished!

I think I will definitely keep practicing, I'm not sure how happy I am with the end results.

Uncomfortable

2015-06-19 23:07

Generally quite well done. I do notice that (as I mentioned in your lesson 2 critique) that you sometimes have a tendency to draw the far plane larger than your near plane. You don't do this nearly as often here, but I do think you may want to draw through your boxes completely for a spell just to get used to the relationship between how you angle your lines and how that builds the far plane. Since the far plane isn't actually drawn in its entirety normally, it becomes difficult to gauge. Drawing through the cube (meaning drawing the far plane as well) will help you assess that more carefully.

Anywho, congrats on completing the challenge.

[deleted]

2015-06-19 23:36

Thank you - I completely forgot about drawing through the boxes. I will practice with that!

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2015-06-24 00:23

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Uncomfortable

2015-06-24 19:42

Nice work completing the challenge. There is a major issue that you're exhibiting though, and it probably is what you're noticing with the boxes looking awkward. The issue is that your far planes on your box are generally larger than your near planes - which directly contradicts the rules of perspective. When using the Y method, you need to be mindful of in which direction your other lines (the ones you draw after the Y) are going to be converging.

Try drawing through your boxes - that is, drawing all the lines that compose the box, as if the box itself were see-through. That'll help you compare the size relationships between the near and far planes.

Anyway, as you completed the challenge, I'll mark it finished - but be mindful of that mistake, you're making it rather often.

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2015-06-25 04:35

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Uncomfortable

2015-06-25 19:30

Well, you certainly did complete the challenge. I think your judgment may be correct though. You may benefit from trying to draw through some of the boxes - like, drawing them as though they were transparent, so you can see all the lines of the box. This will allow you to better assess the relationship between the near and far planes of your boxes. It tends to make it easier to spot major problems.

Other areas you may want to explore is the use of line weight - some of the notes in the challenge post relate to this, so be sure to reread them.

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2015-06-26 06:35

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Uncomfortable

2015-06-26 20:01

If you feel comfortable with your boxes, go ahead and move onto lesson 2. If, while doing that lesson, you feel like you're in over your head when you get to the form intersections, try to practice some more boxes. Also, you may want to try to practice doing the form intersections with boxes only, rather than all 5 forms, to ease yourself into it.

hikuptah

2015-06-25 20:34

http://imgur.com/gallery/OTgMo/new

Finally finished this! To be honest, this was very difficult for me even after watching/reading your videos and notes..and I'm not too sure if I'm improving all that much. Regardless, I'm glad I completed it with as much as effort as I did! If you do get a chance to look at this, please excuse my messy corrections..I also switched between 0.5 mm and 0.35 mm pens because they were drying up quickly - it was only till the last few pages that I got myself a new working pen - so that might have also caused some messiness. Any criticism would be greatly appreciated!

Uncomfortable

2015-06-26 19:51

I'm glad to see how your confidence and line quality improves over the course of the lesson. Your corrections generally show a good sense of what you should be aiming for, even if you can't quite hit it just yet. You're going in the right direction, keep it up!

hikuptah

2015-06-26 21:53

Ok great! I'll then plan to draw at least 10 boxes everyday while continuing with the lessons. Thanks!

[deleted]

2015-06-28 06:30

well here it is. http://imgur.com/a/k8tN8#9

This took me a while because it became a bit repetitive, so I would start drawing other things like anatomy and faces. also my pens seem to run out a lot, would it be OK to use colored felt pens? (0.5)

Uncomfortable

2015-06-28 17:19

Nice work completing the challenge. Generally you do show an increase in the confidence of your lines, but there is one thing I notice throughout - your size relationships between the near and far planes of your boxes are not always correct. As I explain in the video, the far plane should always be smaller than the near plane. The amount by which it is smaller can be minimal, but it should always be smaller. I see here and there that you draw your far plane larger. For example, 8, 81, 89, 96, 178, 241, 245. There are others, but I just picked those I saw at a glance. The trick to overcoming this is to make yourself more aware of what you're doing. Drawing through your boxes completely (drawing all the lines as if the box were transparent) helps considerably, because you actually define that far plane with all four edges. It's easy to make the mistake when you're only defining two edges of the far planes.

Feel free to use coloured felt tip pens, as long as they're not something unreadable like.. yellow. Also, it's perfectly fine not to grind on the boxes constantly for days with nothing in between. Taking breaks is encouraged.

[deleted]

2015-06-28 18:39

Thank you for the feedback. I will continue to practice my boxes as I work on other things. I am assuming I can move onto the next lesson now?

Uncomfortable

2015-06-28 18:40

Yup!

I_Am_Funkey

2015-06-30 13:01

Here they are! My "underneath the box perspective" boxes weren't agreeing with me, but I tried.

Uncomfortable

2015-06-30 19:41

Congrats on completing the challenge. You did pretty well - just a couple things to note:

  • Here and there, you're reversing your near/far plane relationship (213, 230, 209). If you catch yourself doing this often, try drawing through your boxes as though they were transparent. Marking out all of the lines that make up the box will give you a better comparison of your near/far planes.

  • You should generally draw bigger. Right now your pen tip is very large relative to the size of your individual boxes. It tends to make things look clunky.

Cafesoir

2015-07-01 08:41

First of all I wanted to thank you for these lessons! I like your approach and exercises you've chosen - they are interesting to do.

Here is my boxes http://imgur.com/a/4Lqez

plague826

2015-07-01 15:12

I havent been drawing consistently for very long but I've wondered if I should draw with my hand resting on the paper, or have it hovering.

Of course heres The goods

Uncomfortable

2015-07-01 16:44

You're definitely moving in the right direction. Over the course of the challenge you make a few good decisions that ultimately help you overall - one of them being increasing the size of the boxes you draw. The smaller you draw, the bigger the tip of your pen is relative to the drawing, so on a smaller drawing the lines will look heavy and clunky. Drawing larger lets you be a little more subtle and nuanced with your lines.

I did want to point out however that there's two major areas where you could improve:

  • Here and there (like box 250) you reverse the size relationship of the near and far planes, and end up drawing the far plane as larger than the nearer one. Drawing through your boxes (as if it was transparent, so you can see all the lines) will help you understand the size of the far plane, as right now it's only defined by two out of the four lines.

  • When you make a mistake, the natural response is to draw another line over it as a correction. This, unfortunately, adds more ink to that area, increasing the contrast and drawing the viewer's eye right to your blunder. So, the correct response is to just leave it alone.

Overall, I think you'll benefit a lot from doing lesson 1 (honestly I usually intend for people to start there, and then I point them to the 250 box challenge if they need it), as it covers helpful techniques like ghosting through your lines.

Either way, congrats on completing the challenge.

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2015-07-02 17:50

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Uncomfortable

2015-07-02 19:59

Your boxes are definitely looking way more confident and solid now. They were pretty decent beforehand, but the little bit of uncertainty I was noticing seems to be gone, and that near/far relationship thing I mentioned seems to have been corrected. Nice work.

C3yl0n

2015-07-04 15:37

While lesson 1 is complete right now, i completed the [250 Box Challenge] (http://imgur.com/a/u5blQ) aswell!

I am not sure if you still remember my lesson, but i had a little problem that my ghosting is a little bit curvy :/

All in all im very happy that you give us all the opportunity to do this challenge :)

critics welcome, no mercy please! :)

Some questions left:

-Is ghosting out of the wrist bad?

-How do i deal better with the frustration if a line isnt like i wanted it to be?

-Is there any collection of your work, so i can motivate myself more?

-What should i do next?

Uncomfortable

2015-07-05 16:57

Nice work. Early on, your linework seems a bit shoddy (I'm guessing you're trying to add weight to the external lines, but they don't really come together so it looks kind of messy) but you improve considerably in that throughout the challenge. Your corrections in the other coloured pen are generally on point, so you seem to know what you should be aiming for, it's just a matter of practice. The boxes are looking pretty solid though, and I like your line weights near the end of the set.

As for your questions,

  • Ghosting itself is really meant to help people draw longer lines, so ghosting out of the wrist defeats that purpose. Draw from the wrist when you need to do shorter lines for fine detail, but when you need a longer line, it's best to draw from the elbow or shoulder.

  • How do you deal with the frustration? Honestly, there's nothing you can do but get over it. Mistakes happen, just leave it alone and move on. Getting worked up over it will only hold you back.

  • You can check out my portfolio site.

  • Move onto lesson 2.

C3yl0n

2015-07-05 18:11

Thank you so much! Looking forward to do lesson 2 ! :)

bumhugger

2015-07-07 13:27

I've spent a long time with this challenge, filling a page with boxes every once in a while. Surprise, surprise - most improvement happens when I draw daily, and it's also much faster to warm up than after weeks of not drawing anything.

http://imgur.com/a/ldIal

Topmost things I took from this challenge - I should keep drawing as regularly as possible, preferably daily (even a little, like 15 minutes a day). I also should take more time and thought for each mark on the paper to prevent wobbling and sloppy lines.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-07 20:02

I definitely see a great deal of improvement, especially in the last two pages. Your confidence has definitely increased, as has your general sense of understanding when it comes to these simple forms and how they exist in 3D space. Your corrections also generally seem to be accurate.

There's definitely more room to grow, but you're totally on the right track. Nice work!

number_forty_seven

2015-07-07 17:51

A week of boxes

I was going over the first set of boxes with a thicker marker to try and add weight but it felt like I was just trying to cover my mistakes so I stopped. The "Y" method really breaks down 3 point perspective into an easily understandable lesson.

In case this helps anyone, I remembered a useful bit of information from a book I have, Dynamic Life Drawing for Animators by Michael D. Mattesi. He briefly mentions that when drawing a cube, the perspective is false if you can see one side as a perfect square AND it's sides. It will never be a perfect square on the front unless you are looking directly at it from eye level, in which case you can't see any other sides of it.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-07 22:08

Generally I see a lot of improvement throughout the set. Near the end, you definitely get much more confident with your line weights, and you seem to have a better sense of the size relationship between the near/far plane. You slip up here and there, and have some with some slightly wacky angles (232, 218, etc), but it's definitely much better. Keep it up!

Also, that's a nice tidbit of information.

contextyeh

2015-07-10 05:50

Here are my boxes.

I was about halfway through the challenge at work when a coworker recommended that I keep the paper straight and at the same angle instead of rotating it so much. (My best lines come from pulling diagonally from the left, so I would rotate the paper so I could use that stroke for every line.)

For the rest of the challenge I kept the paper straight, which made it even more challenging. Do you think I should continue to draw with a straight paper, or does it not matter for now?

Uncomfortable

2015-07-10 19:53

For the rest of the challenge I kept the paper straight, which made it even more challenging. Do you think I should continue to draw with a straight paper, or does it not matter for now?

I really don't think it's going to help to make something that is already challenging even more complex. Rotating your page is something that helps you immensely when attempting to get comfortable with the drawing motion required to make a particular mark. That's part of the core of the whole ghosting technique which you should be using whenever doing any sort of freehand drawing. Limiting yourself from doing that is going to take something that is already hard for you and make it twice as hard.

Focus on dealing with one problem at a time. It can definitely be argued that there is great benefit from learning to draw a straight line at any angle of approach, but it certainly isn't worth much if it hinders you from learning to draw a straight line at only one angle. Baby steps!

Anyway, on that same topic, while it's great to listen to many sources and learn from many places, if you are doing an exercise that is a part of one particular body of lessons, it is important that you follow that body of lessons to a tee and not try to tweak the methodology while you are practicing it. By doing so you risk missing key points that you might not fully grasp until you are completely finished, and in a position to look at everything that was covered as a whole.

At that point, once you can step back and understand how everything fits together, you can blend what you've learned with other elements, tossing out things that simply didn't work with you and keeping what did.

Anyway, looking at your boxes, you're definitely making progress but there is room to grow. I very much think you should try drawing through your boxes more - that is, drawing all of the lines as though the box itself were transparent. This is because I'm seeing a lot of instances where you're reversing the size relationship between the near/far planes (as explained in the video), like 242 and 249. You've also got some issues with your angles - many of your boxes do not appear to be constructed from right angles, so they look somewhat skewed. Those are definitely things you'll have to work on.

Anyway, congrats on completing the challenge - though I hope you'll continue to practice these simple box exercises as you continue to move forward through the other lessons.

contextyeh

2015-07-11 01:26

Awesome, I appreciate the critique! And I'm actually incredibly relieved that you recommend I turn the paper to whatever is comfortable when challenging myself with a topic. I didn't start getting frustrated with my boxes until I forced myself to keep the paper straight. Again, thanks.

Ibecolin

2015-07-11 08:18

I didn't use line weights as much as I should have. I noticed every time I took a few days off to do this, the boxes would be terrible for a while... which emphasizes the importance of daily practice I guess.

http://imgur.com/a/C6u8I

EDIT: Also didn't go back and use red line to correct my mistakes. Which I can do and re-post if you want.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-12 14:31

I'm going to mark the challenge as complete, but it is definitely in your best interest to go back and correct things in red. I can see many cases where your far plane comes out bigger than your near plane (240, 238, 246, 207, etc). Your lines are definitely coming out more confidently though, so there has been some improvement over the course of the 250 boxes.

Generally when I see people making that size-relationship mistake often, I recommend that they draw through the boxes completely for a time. That is, draw all the lines of the box, as though the box were transparent. This will allow you to define each plane of the box explicitly, which will in turn show you the size relationships between them.

Ibecolin

2015-07-28 05:15

Thanks for the critique. I'm going to draw fully through the boxes as you suggested as a warm up each day but go ahead and move onto the next assignment!

I just wanna say thanks for doing this. Especially replying so quickly. That's pretty awesome. Do you ever feel overwhelmed or tired of critiquing all these by yourself and keeping track of everything? You're the man. Man.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-28 19:59

Ahaha, it does get pretty exhausting. There are other things I work on in my spare time (my own art, game development projects, etc) which are generally far more interesting to me, but writing critiques and creating new lessons often takes me away from that. If it weren't for the patreon campaign/donations, I'd probably have stopped a while back.

Draupa

2015-07-12 09:39

Here are my 250 boxes!

I'm not sure about how much I improved. Maybe I rushed to much, but I have the feeling that the result depends more on concentration and day-form than my increased pratice. Maybe I'm wrong.

Tried to experiment with extreme perspectives, and they turned out quite wonky most of the times.

I also made the mistake to use a pencil to correct my mistakes. The pencil lines are really hard to see.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-12 15:10

I can still make out most of your pencil corrections, and they seem to be correct. The ones where you just circle the issue aren't really of much value of course, but I did notice a few where you redrew the lines, which were definitely more useful.

The changes are subtle, but I think I can see a general increase in your confidence by the end. You do a good job of keeping your near/far plane size relationships straight, and your angles are generally correct more often by the end.

Since a lot of your boxes show some fairly extreme perspective, I do want to remind you that when drawing a scene with many forms, the rate of perspective distortion (how quickly things get smaller relative to how far away from the viewer they are) will have to be consistent. Usually this means that if a box that's close up has some extreme perspective to it, something just a little further away will end up being much smaller than one might expect. The solution to this is, when drawing many forms in one scene, is generally to keep the perspective distortion less dramatic and extreme. Shallower perspective is often much easier to deal with. It also implies a smaller scale in general, while more extreme perspective immediately starts to read as tall-building-scale.

Draupa

2015-07-12 15:53

Thanks again for the critique!

At first, I was doing the more extreme perspectives more or less by accident, by using the "Y" method. Since I followed the rule to always draw in direction of the vanishing point and never away from it, I might overshot more often than not and thereby accidently produced such extreme perspectives. I was too concentrated on just making sure not to produce pyramid shapes there the near plane is smaller than the far plane.

Later on I realized this effect and did it on purpose, because I was thinking that the more extreme perspectives were a better exercise and harder to make right.

But you are absolutly right, in the future I need to be careful to keep a right measure. But I hope this will be tackled in follow up lessons.

Plykiya

2015-07-13 08:11

Well, after about a week of delaying it and drawing for fun, I realize how important fundamentals are. I livestreamed the process as a way of keeping myself motivated, and it took me three streams, 12 hr, 13 hr, and 3 hr split 100-100-50. I switched to ghosting lines after the first 100, but got sloppy during the last part of 200.

http://imgur.com/a/qCqNJ#9

Uncomfortable

2015-07-13 20:03

Definitely a big improvement throughout the set. I do want to point out though that if you feel you're getting sloppy, don't push through it. Stop and take a break. Practicing while you're sloppy and unable to focus risks training bad habits.

officearght

2015-07-14 07:14

Mr Uncomfortable! I finished, I finished! However I think I'm getting worse and worse pens, and sometimes it's messy. The uploaded pics aren't in order, and I don't know why. Maybe the last part (from 225) doesn't pass the requirements, but I'm taking the risk (and redo of course). Thank you!

Uncomfortable

2015-07-14 19:42

Very nice! Great confidence, and your forms (and corrections) seem to generally be on point. Keep up the good work!

Justme0812

2015-07-17 14:18

Hello!! Good Friday,

Well 250 boxes later, after my first post... pheew! im glad I finished

I had such a hard time trying to start drawing these boxes, I remember doing 2 or 3 first, but they would look completly off and horrendous... so I felt like starting all over again on a new sheet of paper (a lot of trees died due this behavious, NO REGRATS!)

But yeah... though im not a 100% satisfied with all of them did I watched your video on how to draw boxes with the Y technique, which I find so hard to use >.> so my first 134 boxes are made like that.... and the other 116 were drawn differently... I dont know how to explain it, but I saw your video for lesson 2 on youtube and I watched you draw a box on a different way... so I took that version and felt much more comfortable using it... so...yup, any feedback is always welcome :)

http://imgur.com/a/1xmiH

EDIT: Had to upload the images twice, the quality of my scanner if terrible.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-17 19:46

Nice line weights. I am noticing a lot of situations where your near/far plane size relationships are not correct however. Always remember that the further plane should be smaller than the closer one, never the reverse. One way to identify this problem more readily is to practice drawing through your boxes (as if they were invisible), so you can define all six lines and the planes that lie between them. When you don't draw through your boxes, it becomes more difficult to assess the size of the far plane, since you can only see two of the lines that define it.

Justme0812

2015-07-17 21:17

Thanks a lot for the feedback! Hmmm I totally get what you say, that's why I had to start from scratch a lot of times, should I make more of these or move to lesson 2?

Uncomfortable

2015-07-18 15:31

Go ahead and move onto lesson 2, but you should continue practicing these when you get the chance.

Justme0812

2015-07-18 18:09

;) will do!

Titan521

2015-07-18 10:41

Okay...first 50 boxes, am I going about these right? :)

http://m.imgur.com/IX792O6,IiFUqRC

Uncomfortable

2015-07-18 15:35

Yep, you're on the right track. Plenty of room to grow, but that's all practice. When correcting, don't bother focusing on areas where the lines are just messy, I don't really care about instances where you tried to draw a specific line and failed. I'm more interested in places where the line you intended to draw simply wasn't correct. In that situation, you'd draw the more correct line with the different coloured pen.

munchkinmommy

2015-07-21 00:36

Finally done!

I think there's some improvement by the end, but I don't know if I'm all that satisfied with it. At the same time, I'm not sure if I could handle another 250 boxes just now.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-21 19:36

I definitely see improvement in your general confidence. There's room to grow for sure, but that's to be expected. I think you've earned yourself a break, so go ahead and tackle lesson 2 again when you feel ready.

munchkinmommy

2015-07-21 19:45

Thank you! Before, you said my arrows were ok. Should I redraw then anyway?

Uncomfortable

2015-07-21 19:46

You can skip those if you like.

LawRunner

2015-07-21 21:00

I've done a bunch of boxes. I used a ruler to help identify perspective errors and to help see problems with my lines more clearly, which I'm not sure was the right thing to do. Also, I completely forgot about line weights, which is a shame, because it's something I'm not used to thinking about and probably need to work on.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-22 19:45

The consistency of your lines definitely seems to improve throughout the set, growing straighter as you progress. Your forms in general and the corrections seem to be on point. It is too bad that you forgot about line weights, but there's always time to tackle them later. Congrats on completing the challenge!

jayvil

2015-07-25 09:44

http://imgur.com/a/79O7V

I just finished the exercise. Most of my box looks awful but it really help me improve.

Uncomfortable

2015-07-25 21:14

I do see some improvement over the boxes. There's a couple things I want to suggest that will help you improve even more.

First off, don't just circle your mistakes - in that different coloured pen, actually draw the correct line. Don't worry about issues where the line overshoots or things like that. We're interested in the mistakes where you drew the wrong line, at the wrong angle.

Secondly, you should definitely practice drawing through your boxes more. That means drawing all six lines for each box, as though it were transparent. Right now, the far plane is only defined by two lines, instead of the full four. Because of this, you often make the mistake of drawing your far plane larger than the near plane, as explained in the video.

Anyway, congrats on completing the challenge. Definitely making progress, but you've still got a fair bit of room to grow.

jayvil

2015-07-26 00:03

Thank you. I will continue practicing drawing some boxes after this challenge. It was really fun.

sunwel

2015-07-25 22:11

Box, box, here are my boxes.

After the third page (box 47 to 67), i noticed that my boxes often had a vanishing point to close to the box, resulting in not so box-shaped boxes.So I tried to focus on this in the following pages.

I had some problem with the line weights since my superimposing lines skill isn't always perfect, sometimes this covers some mistakes and sometime this makes new ones.

After the 200 boxes i had to make a few days break and when I resumed i saw the difference with practising daily (I also switched my pen for real drawing pen).

Uncomfortable

2015-07-26 15:21

Great improvement! You definitely make huge leaps and bounds throughout the set, and after that little break, your general confidence improves significantly. Nice work!

sunwel

2015-07-26 15:52

Thanks for the criticism, I'll move on lesson 2.

NoEnemyLikeWater

2015-07-27 16:26

Here you go

Looking forward to moving to Lesson 2!

Uncomfortable

2015-07-27 22:35

I definitely see a significant increase in the solidity and confidence of your boxes throughout the set. One thing I do want to recommend however is that instead of just circling lines you think are wrong, correct them. Identifying mistakes isn't worth much if you don't go back and figure out what the correct line would be.

Anyway, good work on completing the challenge.

piperia

2015-07-28 21:52

Finally finished! Wow that took way longer than I anticipated, but I feel like they really helped. Here are my 250 boxes:

https://imgur.com/a/3M2hj

As always thanks so much for the time you put into this. (:

Uncomfortable

2015-07-29 22:09

I definitely see some improvement here, especially with your general confidence and the quality of your lines. I do want to recommend that you practice a bit by drawing through your boxes completely - that is, drawing all six lines as if the box were transparent. The reason being, I notice various instances (like 226, 234, etc.) where your far planes come out larger than your near planes. Drawing all the lines of the box will help because it will allow you to define each plane with the full four lines, whereas right now the far planes are only defined by two.

Still, great work completing the challenge.

ArtInitiatesLife

2015-07-30 06:21

Here you go, 250 boxes:

http://imgur.com/a/t4Hom

Thanks,

Uncomfortable

2015-07-31 20:00

Nice work. You definitely seem to be getting bolder and more confident. If you do a similar challenge in the future though, in terms of marking your mistakes, don't worry about the issues where a line you drew just went off mark. Focus on the ones where the line you intended to draw was incorrect. Then, instead of circling the mistake, actually draw the correct one. I saw that you did this in a few places, but not others.

[deleted]

2015-07-31 16:10

Here is mine :) I this is the first thing I've done in this subreddit, so now I'm off to Lesson 1 (I may repeat the challenge once I am further along):http://imgur.com/gallery/NQpbd

Uncomfortable

2015-07-31 22:24

Definitely some improvement in your confidence. Still gotta watch out for a few situations where the far plane comes out larger than the near plane (241, 245, etc). Also, there are some techniques in lesson 1 that will really help you deal draw your lines more cleanly. When you do that lesson, focus on the ghosting technique - rather than just an exercise, it's an approach to drawing that should be applied everywhere. It'll help you draw more accurate and smoother lines in one go.

Anyway, nice work on completing the challenge.

[deleted]

2015-08-01 02:44

I was gonna post in the Lesson 1 section, but figure I'll post here for convenience. I did the first part: http://imgur.com/gallery/wogzx

It feels like I'm having to go over the lines over and over in order to get a dark mark, almost like my pen (Staedtler 0.5) is dry, which is weird since I bought it 2 days ago. Does the Staedtler take getting used to or does it really run out of ink so quickly?

Thanks for your advice and (hopefully) reading this!

Uncomfortable

2015-08-01 02:47

Sometimes an individual pen will just be a dud, but my instructor did warn us that with the staedtlers, you get the optimal flow of ink if you hold your pen upright, at a 90 degree angle to the page. Personally I've taken advantage of this by holding it at a lesser angle when I want to lay-in shapes (which becomes more relevant in later lessons) with fainter lines without compromising the confidence of my stroke.

[deleted]

2015-08-01 02:55

That makes sense then, as I've been holding my sketchbook diagonally. I will work flat starting tomorrow with the next section! Thanks again

Diana_K

2015-08-01 13:59

6 days, 7 pages and 250 boxes later - here is the result - http://imgur.com/a/nmDFx#6

Once you understand how the boxes work they are really fun to do.

Uncomfortable

2015-08-01 16:22

I'm going to mark this challenge as complete, because since it's a challenge it doesn't really warrant much in the way of critique.

In case you haven't had the chance to see it, that I made an announcement about critiques in august being limited to patreon supporters only, since I'm totally swamped with work from my full-time job this month. Regular free critiques will resume on September 1st.

If you do happen to be a patreon supporter though, send me a message via Patreon with your Reddit username so I know to associate the two accounts.

Sorry for the inconvenience!

[deleted]

2015-08-02 11:10

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Uncomfortable

2015-08-02 15:23

Unfortunately, I recently made an announcement about critiques in August being limited to patreon supporters only, since I'm totally swamped with work from my full-time job this month. Regular free critiques will resume on September 1st.

If you do happen to be a patreon supporter though, send me a message via Patreon with your Reddit username so I know to associate the two accounts.

I will however mark this challenge as complete, since it doesn't require any indepth critique. All I want to remind you is that when you correct with a different pen, don't just circle your mistakes. Draw the correct line. Also, review the ghosting technique from lesson 1.

TheMiziko

2015-08-03 12:30

Hi ! Before doing any more assigments, you recommended me to do this challange, so here it is ! http://imgur.com/a/UElPn

It was pretty difficult for me, but after first 50/90 I was much more relaxed :)

Uncomfortable

2015-08-03 15:12

Unfortunately, I recently made an announcement about critiques in August being limited to patreon supporters only, since I'm totally swamped with work from my full-time job this month. Regular free critiques will resume on September 1st.

If you do happen to be a patreon supporter though, send me a message via Patreon with your Reddit username so I know to associate the two accounts.

However, since the 250 box challenge doesn't generally need a whole lot of critique, I'll go ahead and mark it as complete. You definitely seem to show a marked improvement over the course of the challenge.

tinyteafox

2015-08-04 00:05

After lessons one, you told me to tackle this challenge. Here they are!

I cant really tell if I improved or if it has gotten worse. Overall I thought this was quite difficult for me :(

http://imgur.com/a/aI9Z2

Uncomfortable

2015-08-04 00:14

I definitely see some progress throughout this set. You seem to be getting more comfortable with the idea of rotating the forms around in space.

There's only one thing I want to mention - when going over with a different coloured pen, instead of just circling the problematic lines, actually draw in the correct one. Also, don't worry about instances where you overshot a line, or your hand went a bit crazy. Instead, focus on lines where your intention itself was incorrect. Your ability to control your hand will improve with time, so what we want to solidify right now is the understanding of form itself. It's possible to know what the correct line is, and simply fumble when attempting to draw it.

Anyway, I'll mark this challenge as complete! Nice work.

burmah

2015-08-05 19:26

I tried to take your suggestion from Lesson 1 and focus on ghosting lines and building confidence. It definitely starts out rough. As I neared 250, I felt like I hadn't really spent enough time with it, so I went all the way to 390.

Oh, I also moved and got myself into a predicament (i.e., house wasn't ready so I'm living on the fly right now), so I didn't have any of my pens. I grabbed pens from work (ha), which included a red ballpoint pen and a black felt tip pen. Eventually, I moved in and found my Microns, so the final 30 are with drawn with a 05.

Here's the link.

Uncomfortable

2015-08-06 01:01

Unfortunately, I recently made an announcement about critiques in August being limited to patreon supporters only, since I'm totally swamped with work from my full-time job this month. Regular free critiques will resume on September 1st.

If you do happen to be a patreon supporter though, send me a message via Patreon with your Reddit username so I know to associate the two accounts.

I will however mark this challenge as complete, since it doesn't require any indepth critique. The only thing that I want to remark is that you should get used to drawing larger. Smaller drawings will often restrict the motion of your arm and cause the thickness of the line to be quite large in relation to the size of the drawing, making it look somewhat clunky.

burmah

2015-08-06 17:01

I'm so sorry I missed that memo. That being said, I'd be happy to make a donation to continue critiques. I can't afford a whole lot right now, but I can definitely send a little your way.

Thanks!

Limskaya

2015-08-06 20:29

Pfew, finally did it. I thought this would never end.

Boxes, boxes, boxes

Uncomfortable

2015-08-07 01:59

You seem to be getting the hang of it. I'm glad to see that you drew through a great deal of the boxes. The only thing I want to pick on you for is the sloppy cross-hatching near the end. Generally though, you did a solid job.

JayBubulous

2015-08-18 05:17

I can feel my brains leaking but here's all 250 boxes.

Uncomfortable

2015-08-19 01:13

You're making some definite headway. One fundamental thing you should work on though is the lines themselves - most of them come out well, but I do notice some arcing and bowing to some of them, which compromises the solidity of your forms. You always want to aim for straight, and put lots of time into ghosting through the drawing motion to achieve that goal.

Some people do however find that when they ghost a line, they have a tendency to arc in a particular direction. In that case, try to aim for a line that arcs slightly in the opposite direction. This may compensate for your natural tendency, resulting in a straighter line. Definitely something to experiment with. At the end of the day, knowing what your tendencies are is important, because once you acknowledge and recognize them, you can compensate and correct over time.

Anyway, congratulations on completing the challenge. Kindly mop up your brain-goop before someone steps in it.

VergilSD

2015-08-22 01:21

It took me a long time(college + internship = almost no free time), but I finally finished it. Scanning it with a handscanner was a pain in the ass, but at least it looks better than when I took pictures with the crappy camera of my cellphone.

Behold!

I'm impressed that I'm still in the first pen, I thought the ink would have already been depleted. Glad to see I was wrong, 'cause those pens are expensive :P

Uncomfortable

2015-08-22 01:36

Pretty nice work. You're definitely getting confident with your lines. I did notice however that most, if not all of your boxes are showing some really dramatic perspective. It's good to practice that, but you should also allow yourself to construct boxes that use a shallower perspective - that is, boxes where the far plane is only a little smaller than the near plane.

When you draw many forms in the same scene, you're going to end up making use of shallower perspective more often, because if everything's got super dramatic perspective on it, it'll look weird as hell.

Anyway, good job completing the challenge. Keep it up.

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2015-08-23 19:53

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Uncomfortable

2015-08-23 20:09

Yeah, generally with all of the homework, it's best to take breaks and know your limits. I notice here that your work is generally pretty solid up to the second last page - then on the last page, it kind of gets sloppy. If you ever get tired, stop and do something else. I know it's not a good habit as far as getting shit done goes, but for now we want to focus on doing the absolute best we can. After all, you can either do something quickly, or you can do it well - so lets focus on doing it well.

Anyway, you still did a pretty solid job, and aside from some of the ones on the last page, you're clearly getting a hang of constructing these simple forms. Congrats on completing the challenge.