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4:14 PM, Wednesday January 19th 2022
edited at 4:27 PM, Jan 19th 2022

Hi Soundpaints, congrats on finishing lesson 2! For your information, since this is my first time critiquing a lesson 2 submission, I will be relying on the guide provided here: https://pastebin.com/ggmPxnzF

I’ll start with a general comment: please refrain from adding annotations to your homework submissions. Writing the title of each exercise is fine of course, but comments like “woops” or “oops” should not appear in future submissions. They distract from the actual homework and make the job of the people who’ll be critiquing it more difficult, as these comments grab our attention and communicate no relevant information.

Other comments addressed to the person who’ll be looking at your homework, as well as notes you might be writing for yourself, or what I’d call “pre-critiques”, such as “no gradient”, should not be included on your homework pages either. My aim as someone offering a critique is to try to help you improve, but also to train my own observational skills in order to improve as well, so comments like these take away from that benefit, on top of adding unnecessary noise to pages that I need to observe carefully.

I understand the impulse of commenting your own homework and trying to show that you are aware of some of your mistakes, since submitting one's work for critique can make one feel very vulnerable! (I’m sometimes guilty of this myself). But there's no shame in making mistakes and having them pointed out by others :)

If you really want to add a few comments about the things you had trouble with or questions about your submission, please keep them in the submission description and do not write them down on the homework itself.

Overall, I feel like this is a pretty solid submission, even if the more demanding exercises have room for improvement, which is absolutely normal and expected.

With that out of the way, let’s look at the individual exercises:

Arrows

Your lines look pretty good to me, they are mostly confidently drawn and have a nice flow to them. I’m not seeing any lineweight though, but it might come from overexposure in your pictures.

You drew some overlapping arrows, which is good, however the compression in size & in the spacing between each fold as the arrow gets further and further away from the viewer is too subtle, so practice drawing more dramatic changes in size in future warm ups. When you start feeling more confident, you can also practice having some of the folds overlap. Also, your 11th arrow has the spacing get smaller as it goes towards the viewer, which is confusing, so pay attention to that in the future.

Organic forms

I like the shape of your ellipses, they seem confidently drawn and are drawn through 2-3 times, so that’s good! They don’t always fit the bounds of your sausage forms, but confidence is always more important than accuracy, so keep practicing them and your accuracy will get better with time. I can also see that you focused on having your ellipses align with the axis line, which is good, even if you don’t always succeed (see the middle ellipse on sausage no. 7 for instance).

I also think that you did a good enough job trying to keep your sausage forms simple, without any pinching or bloating. There’s still some room for improvement there, but it’s a difficult thing to achieve in my opinion so keep on practising!

A mistake both in the organic forms with ellipses and the organic forms with contour lines however is that you’re barely varying the degree of your ellipses at all, so practice doing that in future warmups (with consideration for what these variations mean when we’re drawing 3D forms, that is which way the forms are facing)

Textures

You did a good job drawing cast shadows and not lines in the texture analysis exercise, sometimes less so in the dissections one (see your onion texture or your tire texture for instance). In the texture analysis exercise, you did not leave enough blank space at the right end for pebbles and cobblestones, so the transition isn’t quite as smooth as it should be, so in the future try to force yourself to be subtler with shadows as you go towards the light source.

In the dissections exercise, I can see that you took your time observing and drawing your textures and did not take any shortcuts with hatching or dotting, so good job! Refraining from scribbling is something that you should always remember. I can also see some work on the silhouettes (even though you could have been bolder with the octopus, for example). There’s definitely room for improvement regarding the wrapping of textures around your forms, but I can see that you did your best (I am a bit sad about the durian specifically though, which is looking very flat). And sometimes your transitions look a little too much like a thick dark outline followed by much lighter shapes (see the sponge and the stone brick walls on sausages 1 and 4 for instance), so pay attention to achieving smoother transitions in the future.

Form intersections

Your lines are looking really good in these exercises, they are straight and confidently drawn. The line weight and hatching is applied well and gives clarity to your drawing, so that’s really good! The foreshortening is consistent, however it’s not quite present enough, especially with your boxes, so remember to have your lines converge, even if it’s supposed to stay subtle. Same with your cylinders on your last page, which have no foreshortening at all.

The intersections themselves are looking good as far as I can see, it looks like you took the time to think about them, and there are enough overlapping forms on your pages to my liking.

Organic intersections

I can see that you hooked your curves and drew through your forms as instructed, so that’s good!

A mistake you made on both pages is that your shadows are sticking to the form casting them rather than to the form they’re being cast onto, and thus are looking more like a thick dark outline than like cast shadows, as is shown here: https://d15v304a6xpq4b.cloudfront.net/lesson_images/516f8d4f.jpg

Your forms also feel too stiff, especially on the second page, which could be improved by having them intersect more instead of laying them one in front of the other. The underside of one sausage will be “lifted up” by having another round sausage under it, and you can show that by “carving” the form of that second sausage into the first one. It may be a little difficult now, but keep practising and thinking of your sausages as water balloons, and it’ll get better. See how the small round bottom sausage on the right is carving into the bigger central sausage laying on it here, for example: https://d15v304a6xpq4b.cloudfront.net/lesson_images/db8b6730.jpg

Next Steps:

As a revision, I'll be asking for one more page of organic intersections, paying attention to cast shadows and intersections, as your forms right now are overlapping, but not really intersecting.

Also definitely include the following exercises in your warm ups, keeping in mind the comments I made:

  • Arrows

  • Drawing boxes and extending your lines back, checking if they converge, similarly to the 250 boxes challenge (no need to draw more than 2-3 boxes at a time though)

  • Organic forms with contour ellipses and contour lines, working on varying their degree.

This community member feels the lesson should be marked as complete, and 2 others agree. The student has earned their completion badge for this lesson and should feel confident in moving onto the next lesson.
edited at 4:27 PM, Jan 19th 2022
4:17 PM, Wednesday January 19th 2022
edited at 4:27 PM, Jan 19th 2022

Oh boy, I accidentally hit the "mark lesson as complete" button instead of the "request revisions" one and the edit function won't let me change it, sorry about that ! Please do submit the revision I requested though

edited at 4:27 PM, Jan 19th 2022
10:08 PM, Friday January 21st 2022

I'll definitely try my best to stop annotating. Pretty much what you've said is true. Although sometimes it was for me to keep in mind mistakes to avoid as I'm working. I now know how it can be bothersome for the critiquer, so I'll stop. Sorry about that!

Thanks for the critique Lefebul!

About the organic intersections:

A mistake you made on both pages is that your shadows are sticking to the form casting them rather than to the form they’re being cast onto, and thus are looking more like a thick dark outline than like cast shadows, as is shown here: https://d15v304a6xpq4b.cloudfront.net/lesson_images/516f8d4f.jpg

After I sent my 1st page for critique on the Discord server, I was also told the same thing and got some tips. I tried to apply it to the 1st page and make sure the 2nd one didn't have the same issue. I guess I didn't understand shading in this scenario as I thought, and even now I still cannot imagine what would the correct way would look like on my submitted pages. If you don't mind, I think it might be very helpful to see how you might fix a shadow on my page, or at least point out which particular sausages have the issue. The only thing that comes to mind is that I could intensify the shadows more; like in the case of the 1st page middle sausage, I'm guessing that you mean that I should bring that shadow down more (and of course distorting it based on the contour of the of the sausage below it like in the example image you sent).

Your forms also feel too stiff, especially on the second page, which could be improved by having them intersect more instead of laying them one in front of the other. The underside of one sausage will be “lifted up” by having another round sausage under it, and you can show that by “carving” the form of that second sausage into the first one. It may be a little difficult now, but keep practising and thinking of your sausages as water balloons, and it’ll get better. See how the small round bottom sausage on the right is carving into the bigger central sausage laying on it here, for example: https://d15v304a6xpq4b.cloudfront.net/lesson_images/db8b6730.jpg

The second page certainly has more stiff sausages, but I guess they're too stiff? I think that I try too hard to avoid the "Mistake: Complicated forms" and forget that I still need to deform the sausages at least a little; Similar to what you said about the lack of foreshortening in the form intersections. Maybe that's the case here as well.

So in my revision, I'll try to make the sausages less "stiff". As for the shadows, I still don't really "see" the problem you mention in my pages to be honest. I understand well the example image you shared, but it's only 1 pair of sausages with a unique position set. The only idea I have about fixing is maybe to exagerrate some of the cast shadows, but even then looking at the example homework on the lesson page, it doesn't seem necessary.

Anyway, I'll try my revision soon. Perhaps I should wait a bit if you have any other advice on the shadows though. I feel that I need more clarification, because at the moment I simply can't "see" it no matter how much I've been trying.

I hope I didn't sound rude, because I really appreciated your critique and for the time you spent on it. Thanks for the warmup recommendations. I wish you the best Lefebul!

12:51 PM, Tuesday January 25th 2022
edited at 12:53 PM, Jan 25th 2022

hi again Soundpaints and no worries you're not being rude at all

I appreciate you asking for more explicit examples, I'm happy that you're not just agreeing for the sake of it and really trying to understand what I mean, it also gives me some feedback on how to explain myself more clearly and go deeper than a shallow critique, so thanks ! don't hesitate to ask more follow up questions if you need to.

You'll find more precise indications here (I hope my handwriting is readable) : https://ibb.co/album/M2khzd

I focused on shadows on your first page and on intersections on your second page. please reach out to me if anything is unclear to you in what I wrote :)

As for the stiffness of your sausages, I definitely feel like you have some room to allow yourself to draw more curved ones, and as you can see more intersections make the whole seem less stiff already.

good luck !

edited at 12:53 PM, Jan 25th 2022
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