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8:44 PM, Wednesday March 23rd 2022

Hello!

Thank you for completing your revision. Let me start by saying this is a big improvement on your intial pages. Your forms have a much better sense of weight, you've established your ground plane and I no longer feel like your forms are floating randomly in space, well done!

But we still have some work to do. While your shadow shapes are much more coherent (it looks like you were having the light come from the top-left) You're still giving the viewer mixed messages about wich form is on top. While we do draw through our forms in Drawabox (drawing the invisible parts to solidify our own understanding of the form) we do not draw through our shadows, they get cut off when they pass behind another object. This diagram https://imgur.com/a/V0Rruxs shows how we use line weight to clarify overlaps, and may be useful to you. I've also taken some time to try to explain this visually on your own work with this analysis here https://imgur.com/a/ApEMmwf

While I'm here I want to call out something I mentioned on your organic forms but did not repeat on your organic intersections (which may have been an oversight on my part, and for that I apologize) and that's the need to vary the degree of your contour curves more. The degree of the contour curve tells the viewer what angle they're looking at, for that part of the form. It may help you to rewatch the ellipses video https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/5/video where Comfy explains what an ellipses degree means in more depth. I've hunted down some images more specific to the degree shift and organic forms here https://imgur.com/a/QDpSVli and here is one that's really useful for showing bending organic forms https://imgur.com/a/yDBbayD particularly whether you can see one end, both ends, or neither.

With all that in mind, I'm going to ask you to draw another page of the organic intersections exercise. Once again I want you to stick to no more than 4 forms. This time I want you to number them as you draw them. If you're following the instructions, your first form will be on the ground plane, your second one will rest on top and wrap around the first form, and your third will be resting on one or both of your first two, etc. This will remind you what order you stacked them in when you come to add your shadows at the end. It will also tell me what your intentions were when you were drawing, and I may be able to give you more specific feedback if you're struggling.

Next Steps:

One more page of the organic intersections exercise as described, please.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
6:07 AM, Thursday March 24th 2022

Hi!

I really appreciate your great heart. Please don't hesitate to correct me. I prefer to learn and improve myself as possible I could.

Here my second revision.

https://imgur.com/a/P5a3gsp

I'm trying to collect my visual library of texture. I download the reference photos in pin message of lesson 2 and draw them bit by bit. But my problem is that I don't know that I do it right or wrong. Do you have any suggestion for that?

For the angle of ellipses, I get the message from video and the text. I interpret that a sausage which left-side facing towards the viewer, the first contour with big angle (let's say 60 degree) , the next one is narrower ( 45 degree) and the next one is narrower (15 degree and it's at the center of the sausage or the tube) and after that it's get bigger.

But the link https://imgur.com/a/yDBbayD that you sent me. It's quite opposite. As far as I observe the left-side facing towards the viewer, the degree shift of the first contour line is smallest and the next is bigger. Please make it clear to me.

Have a nice and good day!

Best Regards,

6:58 PM, Thursday March 24th 2022
edited at 7:12 PM, Mar 24th 2022

Hello

Thank you for doing your revision again. This is another step in the right direction. The direction of your light source is very clear in the way you're drawing your shadow shapes. As the viewer I would know that the light is coming from the top left, even without the arrow to show me, good job.

But you are still not clearly telling the viewer which form is on top and which one is underneath. If I knock back some of your work to make the forms look more opaque we can see what order they are stacked here https://imgur.com/Xu0QypO I know from the numbering system that you drew number 4 last, so it is resting on top of the others, partially covering them up. (and 3 partially covers 1 and 2, and 2 partially covers 1) Here's a really gross example of some sweets that follow similar behaviour to organic intersections, in case a real world example will help you visualize what we're aiming for: https://imgur.com/a/ByGvV3G

But of course, in this exercise we draw through our forms, so your homework should look something like this https://imgur.com/vzyGDwp where the forms are drawn in their entirety but the shadows are not there are no shadows drawn inside the silhouette of number 4 (the top most form) please carefully study those two edits and compare them to the page you posted. Can you see which shadows were removed and most importantly why? If not, please let me know and I will try to explain it another way. If you feel confident that you understand that we do not draw through our shadows, they get cut off when they pass behind another object, then I want you to complete one more page and clearly demonstrate this principle, numbering your forms in the order that you draw them once again.

On the other two points: With the degree of contour curves I can assure you that this image is correct. https://imgur.com/a/yDBbayD in fact, it is the same idea as the draw-over and notes I gave you on your organic forms exercise here: https://imgur.com/IdTTJjH "Ellipses are narrower at the near end and wider at the far end" If you are unable to read my handwitten notes, could you please let me know? I'm happy to type them out for you, but giving you feedback that you can't read is just a waste of time.

The wide-narrow-wide pattern you describe is what we see when we're looking at the side of a cylindrical object, or sausage form, as seen in this photo I took of a roll of paper with bands round it https://imgur.com/a/qHTLXtw

And here is how the contour lines appear when we look at the left end of the object https://imgur.com/a/GuPpiU0 I hope it is quite clear that the degree of the contour curves get wider as the object gets further away.

Finally on your texture practice "I'm trying to collect my visual library of texture. I download the reference photos in pin message of lesson 2 and draw them bit by bit. But my problem is that I don't know that I do it right or wrong. Do you have any suggestion for that?" If you want to keep studying textures, that's great, we have the optional texture challenge info here https://drawabox.com/lesson/25textures

If you're not sure if you're doing it right, that's understandable, and you should seek feedback on your work. I hope you can understand that I have already given you a rather substantial ammount of feedback, and marked your texture work as complete. I'm trying to prioritize the feedback and information I give you to be what you need to set you up to succeed in lesson 3 (textures are optional in lesson 3). So please forgive me for asking you to share your new texture work on the discord (either in the lesson 2 channel or advanced challenges) for additional feedback, if you want it. If you have a question about the feedback I've already given you on your textures, or the instructions given for the exercise, I'll do my best to answer.

Next Steps:

Please study the edits I made to your work. What changes did I make, and why? If you don't understand, please tell me and I'll try to explain another way.

If you do understand, please draw another page of organic intersections, numbering your forms again. Remember, shadows are not visible where they pass behind another object.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
edited at 7:12 PM, Mar 24th 2022
4:45 AM, Friday March 25th 2022

Hi!

Thank you million times for your help!

Here is the link of my new revision.

https://imgur.com/a/p9ZqleK

All your description is very useful for me.

I understand better how the relationship between each overlapped shapes.

You clarify the degree of ellipses very well.

I'll take what your suggestion is about take each step of learning. I'll wait for the texture challenge. Because right now I wanna focus on each exercise of each lesson.

May the Lord of drawing bless you!

Best Regards,

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