Me, my art struggle and confronting drawabox.com [long post warning!]

5:06 PM, Saturday April 4th 2020

*This post will be kind of long so take some patience to read because it tells (not in much detail) a summary on a hobby i don't find easily fun and how i'm considering to give drawabox.com a real try.

In some parts of this text my english grammar might be confusing, just like it as if still takes an eternity for me to perfect the English language.*

Hello everyone, I'm from Italy and I've been struggling art alone since the mid-2010s. I started this hobby back when i got a Wacom Intous Pen&Touch tablet for my pc in 2015 and i felt quite excited back then. I decided to immediately run through drawing characters as the first thing i ever done really.

Months later, i started hearing of words such as "anatomy" and "perspective" going around my head when i began hearing some feedback from the internet, so this is where my struggle begins. By then I had hard time finding thousands of ways to achieve what i wanted to always draw, you guessed it, figures of popular cartoon animations and ignoring the good stuff did not help get me anywhere.

I kept trying to get on the same levels as most adult-age artists i see around on Instagram, but i realized that it hurts to compare with my art... even tought i still do it. After many numerous delays and attempts to get back to drawing, i departed from drawing on computer (where infact i stopped using my Wacom tablet before i did that) and finally moving on traditional on November 2019, where i continued drawing various cutesy-looking characters from animated series / video games / manga (you heard that right...).

And i'll tell you what i've did in the recent days during my quarantine in Italy... i recently decided to go back drawing from references commonly, in my A5 sketchbook, once again using sites like Quickposes for some of the sketches i done + started using Pinterest to base off what i want to do. The results so far (for my quickposes practise) were not bad but they looked like one of those many no-effort school doodles, even with many of the techniques i had applied (for example, for the head i always used crossed lines but entirely forgot of the legendary Andrew Loomis method while for the rest it's mixed use of circles, lines and confusing on the spine line A LOT, etc.)

Still felt frustrated and it made me take away too much time from doing other hobbies such as role playing tabletop games and i keep having these damned toughts in my head. I felt like suffering and wanted to figure out how to get out from this mess. Even thought i stopped drawing on PC and never had the motivation to use it ever again because the tablet i have isn't display.

And lastly, i keep realizing that i am a person who unfortunately owns some physical difficulties, especially on the precision part while writing and drawing, but despite my repeating of "i suck at drawing", my friends and companions always replied back "nah, you're good", but NOT on the level i wanted to achieve, where i wanted to be as much precise as i could.

Then the storm came... a site called drawabox.com.

All during these years, i kept hearing of drawabox.com, trying to blindly watch videos of it without starting to the beginning with stress, and years later, to this period right now, i'm seeing it as a real gateway to start art LIKE AT SCHOOL, but really better than any one else could. Hours ago before i published this discussion, I imagined if i was at a real school, where ALL of the tutorials i've seen, all of the tutorials i've read and watched in my life (Proko, Andrew Loomis, deviantART, YouTube artists, etc.) came after completing the art fundamentals, and i took it further by making a comparison to writing on computer with Microsoft Office Word after i learned the alphabet and writing on hand traditionally (thought i didn't develop real handwriting as i can write uppercase letters, sometimes i do messed up lowercase letters by memory).

Anyways, after giving a watch to a review, the silly comic strips and several questions of the FAQ, i think it's probably the time for me to take on this site with a serious feeling, looking back at the stuff i left behind and remembering i have 3 blank A4 sketch blocks (one however was used for very few pages) i never used (except my A5 sketchbook where i did most of the comfort zone stuff) and a Staedtler pigment liner 0.5 i had kept for years and still are good as clean, but not sure how much ink my fineliner remains. It looked like a striking opportunity for me to try the course.

Before i did that, i analyzed few of the site's contents with patience and acknowledged the difficulty, the requirement of me to stay and work in a noise-free environment (i am on my parents room with a portable desk) but i have other stuff to do (such as focusing on doing online RPG sessions and take spare time) so there's a lot for me to think how i should approach this course.

Looking at the lessons, for when it has the exercises, i think i'll be planning to have a piece of a lesson for 1-2 hours a day (for example, if i read through a part of the exercise until i stop during or after a drawing session of a specific exercise, is it okay?), but considering i'm not the best in organizing timeslots, it doesn't seem easy for me to maintain faith on it.

Really, i decided to take on drawabox.com for real because i'm tired of being a wimp at drawing cartoon-styled characters of any kind starting always from barebones construction as i've been like this for a large amount of times since 2016 (i did not say 2015 because i wasn't too sensible at art topics back then). Warmups for me are inexistent until i noticed the necessity of doing warmups while reading one of the comic strips on this site AND also the arm... i had to test out my arm without getting on drawing while i was still writing this discussion... if i remember well, i don't think i used a lot of my wrist but the elbow, but i'm not sure either if i used my shoulder for my drawings. Maybe with drawabox.com it might mean a lot for me, as long i'll start to try to notice my arm's movement a lot.

...and i think i've said enough regarding my words for coming here. This course is kind of scary for me to look further.

Before I close, I have one more question: While i'll do this course trying to follow everything it says, the lessons have to be followed using the required tools on traditional UNLESS i want to use the methods used in the exercises as a warmup for both traditional/digital drawing outside drawabox.com? (I'm saying as response to the 2nd comic strip "A box a day keeps the demon away") Cause while i'm still off with my fortunate sketch blocks and a Staedtler pigment liner 0.5, i'm trying to get an iPad + Apple Pencil with the money we have in order for me to take on drawing on display.

Ok. Time for me to stop (even if not sure) and to go back doing my activities. i'll look into drawabox.com properly by the next days so i don't know if you'll expect me to start properly.

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8:39 PM, Saturday April 4th 2020

Hi there,

I think I can speak for the general public when I say we're happy you're willing to give this a try. I would recommend you join the discord, so you can talk to people about your general worries and have a community you can interact with. You mentioned "manga" earlier with what seems to be a sense of embarrassment. We have plenty of people that love anime and manga on the drawabox discord in addition to professional artists that show off their work. If you enjoy art, you will be able to find something that you like. If you have questions, we have people in the discord that willing to help clarify any issues. Even though Uncomfortable has crafted this site very well, there will always be a need for questions or clarification.

Regarding your question, I'm interpreting it as you want clarification for what the "unless" part means. Everything on DrawABox should be done using the materials stated. However, when you use your digital stuff or other mediums outside of DrawABox, feel free to use the same exercises. These are general exercises that can be used in any medium, but when you do DrawABox stuff, use the fineliner stated.

Welcome to the journey,

KreutzerNine

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8:42 PM, Saturday April 4th 2020
edited at 9:13 PM, Apr 4th 2020

for anyone reading this the tldr; drew without learning solid fundamentals, list of time constraints and insecurities. some questions that can be answered by reading the site.

edited at 9:13 PM, Apr 4th 2020
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8:45 PM, Saturday April 4th 2020

Regarding your question towards the end, when doing lessons for submission you have to do it with pen and paper. For anything else outside drawabox lessons, including warmups, it's up to you how you do it.

Good luck on your endeavour!

11:47 AM, Sunday April 5th 2020
edited at 1:54 PM, Apr 5th 2020

Thanks everyone! I would feel free to join the Discord but i would risk to remain distracted waiting for a response. At this time i would prefer submitting exercise results on this site whenever i can. It's not going to be easy for me to maintain a everyday approach to the course so depending if i have one or two hours free in the day i should continue moving on the course, and would pause either during or after reading/working on the lesson's progress.

I felt wise when i wrote the discussion because i used to take this site quite badly and want to think further on my past. I'm nearly at my 20's but i can't guarantee i'll avoid impatience that easily even to this day because i feel worried to end up doing worthless sketches of body structures / unbalanced gesture drawings after last week.

Yeah, not guaranteed i'll slay the Dragon that easily just like in the comic strips!

Best regards.

EDIT (5th April 2020 3:35 PM UTC+1 circa) : A half hour after writing this reply, i got through the first half of Lesson 0 by listening carefully, sometimes had to rewind few seconds for some sentences that took me time to know. I faithfully had to use my browser's full screen to avoid distractions, which i believe is what some people do to attempt to be generous and calm.

There were some concepts i had already known (discretely...) while some were added further to my psychological knowledge thanking Uncomfortable's precise explainations about people's attitudes (that's one of the things i want to congratulate him for), and while following the videos i kept in my mind about the arm positioning that would come after this part as it is part of the Control concept from said lesson.

As for the "50% rule", by the moment i started to approach this course, i have decided to take away the "fun" segment away (aka Stop drawing manga and cartoon shitz with complex poses) because i'm paranoid that i'd risk to unleash my frustration. I would rather do "comfort zone" drawing in a digital environment rather than traditional because it allows me to easily correct mistakes without pushing harder with an eraser, and even because working on layers is better than having a single layer of a sheet in front of you.

tl;dr I have tried my best to listen half of Lesson 0 carefully AND knew few psychological concepts before but discretely (Confidence, Patience, Construction and Visual Communication?) BUT i decide further that i should try to stay away from the fun stuff (aka Drawing useless manga-like hijinks).

edited at 1:54 PM, Apr 5th 2020
7:59 AM, Tuesday April 7th 2020

I don't think you should try to stay away from fun stuffs. You would most likely quit when you are in the 250 boxes challenge if you keep that up. That's the time where most people stop doing DAB because it's tedious and boring but helpful at the same time.

8:10 PM, Wednesday April 15th 2020

About the discord, since this part is shorter: What I do to prevent distraction is to do a few versions of the exercise (example: 2 superimposed lines, or 1 ghosted plane), take a photo, and post that to the discord. I ask if I'm on the right track, and request a ping so that I can continue working without checking back on the server. Then I finish the page, post that, and continue to the next page or exercise.

That aside.....

Drawing fun stuff is incredibly important!!

I always use the example of nature documentaries. If you are only drawing to learn (only draw a box/loomis/brent eviston/etc) then it is like only ever watching a nature documentary for a test. Drawing for the sake of drawing (referred to as "drawing for fun", or the 50% rule) is like watching a nature documentary for the sake of the documentary.

In both cases you learn and take in information, but if you only ever watch documentaries for tests then you're probably going to get sick of watching documentaries. In the case of DAB/learning to draw, that means burning out-like a candle reaching the end of its wick.

That doesn't mean you have to draw things exactly the same as DAB, just that you're still drawing. To go back to the nature documentary example, drawing on paper is like watching documentaries about birds, where drawing digitally is like watching documentaries about fish. Both are still nature documentaries, though they don't go over the same things. It gets to be an issue when you start to think about sculpting or 3D modeling, which are more like documentaries about WWII or engineering. Still creative (documentary), but war and machines have very little to do with nature.

2:34 PM, Saturday April 18th 2020

The problem with personal drawing is that i have a certain art block and at the moment i have other hobbies i take care of as for the time being i'm also focusing on writing material for tabletop roleplaying, for example. Considering i feel a little uncomfortable with drawing on traditional (but i sometimes draw when i feel the absolute need of doing it but few days ago i took about 3 hours to sketch a portrait of Atsuko Kagari while cleaning up a little so it didn't look like too messy) i'm trying to get an iPad.

Probably you'll say that i should continue drawing on Traditional EVEN if it ain't Drawabox-related because i've heard this suggestion several times, but i'm kind of better suited with the digital tools (i even was able to catch a Procreate course at Udemy when it had a limited time 100% coupon so i don't have to waste time finding free tutorials on how to comprehend it) due to them having the ability to undo, transform selections and also the use of pretty creative brushes.

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10:25 PM, Sunday April 5th 2020

Heyo,

The community is totally supportive and are always happy to help you out and offer advice for areas that you are unsure of. You can always chat with people in the discord server and get some great advice on in the areas that you are worried about. Also i saw that you mentioned manga, here's something to always remember, anyone who says that any form of art isn't art, (i.e, manga/anime, comics and digital art), clearly hasn't seen/appreciated great work from that genre. Also, don't worry about comparing yourself to other artists, remember that no great artist started off as the greatest, they all had to learn the basics and learned and applied their skills from there. Just as one of the comics has mentioned, your art journey might be long but it's all worth it when you reach the top. For the lessons, you can always watch the video, and if you're a bit unsure of some things you can always hop on the discord server and ask. Just remember to not grind and to relax your shoulder and to just practice the lessons at least once per day.

12:59 PM, Monday April 6th 2020

Well yeah, i've been trying to start off with setting up schedules with phone alarms so yesterday i've only dedicated one hour (and a half, sorta) for the first half of Lesson 0. Today i might be finishing the other half but i've thought many times the risks of how i distract outside drawabox.com, especially at high school, where their subjects are just as hard as drawabox except they're even more confusing than here.

I'm going to be around outside Discord but i'll submit my homework on this site whenever i can, see ya.

1:55 AM, Tuesday April 7th 2020

Oh wow, those subjects must be tough. Just remember to keep a consistent schedule for your work and try not to stress about anything, don't want to wear yourself out. Also take your time when going through these lessons as you don't want to miss out on anything important and also don't think too much about the stuff that might distract you, because then your thoughts will start to distract you more. Usually what I do for the exercises is that I keep a playlist of music without lyrics in it and put most of my electronics in airplane mode and turn off all notifications so that nothing distracts me, only if theres a real emergency then i keep my notifications on. Anyways, hope you have a great day and good luck with the art journey!

6:57 AM, Tuesday April 7th 2020

I do use full screen when i look in the videos and pages but yeah that seems also something i have been trying to do... i however have some disability on remaining determined for quite long and i've lived up doing things delicately.

Yesterday i did a test of markmaking as shown in the first video in Lesson 1 (not any one of the exercises yet) which i've shared on my Sketchbook page last night.

I did most of them that afternoon but the fact i got to do more on a night time seems like a slight wrong move. Should't have grinded but it feels to be afraid... to be afraid of worrying, because despite i've tried all by moving not just the wrist (i know i will notice the arm) and having a fast stroking, perhaps am i aiming to be too precise to connect the other dot? looks like it.

Today i'm moving onwards but i'm thinking about reading back to the beginning of lesson 1. The mechanical skills seems one that really matters to me. But today i have my afternoon busy with school distancing and talking to my friend...

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