Lesson 2: Contour Lines, Texture and Construction

10:55 AM, Thursday June 10th 2021

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Just completed lesson 2, it was really fun but the form intersections exercises was really hard. Constructive Criticism appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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1:43 PM, Saturday June 19th 2021
edited at 2:06 PM, Jun 19th 2021

Hello Lemons! It seems we meet again ;) I'm quite delighted to see you continuing your Drawabox journey.

I believe that most of your work here is pretty good, but I still believe there are things you can improve on in future warm ups/as you work through the next lessons.

Starting off with

Arrows

As far as I can see you've got solid and smooth linework on your curves, but you have trouble when applying lineweight, remember that lineweight should be a single line drawn confidently, only applied to key areas where your arrows overlap.

https://m.imgur.com/OHvr7Mb this link shows how to apply lineweight properly.

And here is a reminder of how to apply it subtly to arrows: https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/4/step4

Your arrows also have consistency problems. As an object gets further away in perspective, it gets smaller to keep the illusion that it's the same size all the way through, otherwise it feels like the object is actually getting massive as it goes away.

https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/4/step2

A big number of your arrows, like the top left in the corner, and the one to it's right in the first page, and the top arrow on your second page are the ones more noticeable to me. Sometimes when they fold and turn in space they bulge suddently when they should get thinner, or the opposite only for the next fold to be wider.

I understand it's difficult to keep the consistency on arrows. So instead remember to ghost your lines, and you can try using dots to build your arrow in chunks instead of in one go.

And finishing off with a nitpick your arrows are very basic, while you show that you understood the concepts of them moving in a 3d space, you didn't push them all the way, it feels like you were afraid of trying arrows that overlapped more and more, like a little roller-coaster.

It would've been nice to see you attempt more overlap and negative space between folds in your arrows. You can try experimenting with that in your future warm ups.

Organic Forms/Sausages

Good work on linework once again and most of your sausages are keeping their forms nicely.

When it comes to ellipses they lack in degree variation. You seem to improve upon this a bit in the contours, but you should still try a bigger variation of degrees to push the limits of what you can do and make your sausages feel more solid.

I'll put this here as a reminder. https://m.imgur.com/vg0vy0v with that being said, many of your contours and ellipses touch the edges of your sausages, which is great!

Good job on keeping your sausages a consistent size too, some of them have some deformity, so you can try ghosting them or plotting dots to try to make the sausage always consistent, although it could also be a matter of more mileage so don't worry too much. Also their ends should be round, beware of pointy ends.

Texture Analysis

Whoa! You've done a terrific job on this exercise, especially on the last two textures.

Good work on the analysis part, and on drawing cast shadows instead of lines for the most part, however be careful because you did slip up a bit.

Look over this section and compare it to your work, while you are thinking of cast shadows you still outline many of your forms, especially for your last texture, and this carries over into your dissections.

https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/6/notransition

Some things I feel like you could have improved upon on the gradient: the change from complete black in your gradient is a bit sudden, the black bar shouldn't be able to be seen at all. Your gradient to white could also use some work.

Your crumpled paper seems to be repeating the same shape over and over again. While crumpled paper does have a lot of similar shapes, the creases and wrinkles won't actually be the same exact shape. Repeating this pattern with just some slightly adjustments will make the texture feel less "chaotic" than it truly is.

But it's okay, crumpled paper is a tough one as it's just supposed to introduce you to the idea of cast shadows anyway, you could give it another go on the 25 textures challenge if you decide to pick that up. And if you do a some advice I'll give you is to start by the middle of the gradient instead of the black bar right away.

Texture Dissections

Incredible, I really like how you approached the starfish skin! And "some kind of fruit Idk", your rocky spikes are also beautifully made. You broke your silhouettes as well which adds so much to the feel of your textures.

On top of that you did a wonderful job of wrapping your textures around your sausages, which is one of the most important parts when texturing a 3d form.

With that being said, I hope I can give some insight on what could have done to get your work from hecking awesome, to absolutely stunning. First thing I'd suggest is to make the edges of your textures darker, as that's how light and shadow work on a cylindrical form.

I love the leopard, but for the purposes of this exercise it's not all that great, as the pattern on the fur is local color, not cast shadows, ( this will be important for Lesson 3 and onwards ). You also draw very explicitly sometimes. On things like corn, crocodile back, feathers, rope, and "lettus(?)".

Remember the principles of texturing on Drawabox, drawing cast shadows conveys the form much better than drawing explicitly does and forces you to think in 3d by considering the forms that cast the shadows and the forms surrounding them.

On top of that I would like to point you to this image that shows how to create more dynamic shadow shapes instead of just simple outlines.

https://m.imgur.com/M9JJfr4

Form intersections

Again, you show a great deal of understanding of 3d space in this exercise, just like you did in your Lesson 1 submission with rotated boxes. Especially with your intersections as they feel very believable already, you have some who don't feel quite as solid yet so I'll just link this album, made by user Optimus on the Drawabox Discord server.

https://imgur.com/a/6Inx5Bz

The biggest problem with your forms ( which is minor as it doesn't happen that often ) is how some of them have different foreshortening than their neighboors, especially some pyramids. This is detrimental to the illusion that these forms exist within the same plane. And you seem to have forgotten to actually intersect some of your forms, like the pyramid, cylinder and sphere at the bottom of the third page.

https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/8/stretched

You also shade your pyramids in a peculiar way, whoch makes it difficult to tell how they turn in space, I suggest to approach it similar to cones, either hatch all of the square base of the pyramid ( if it's visible and the part that's not intersecting with anything ), or simply one of the triangular faces, not both.

https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/8/hatching

Organic form intersections

Great job on your organic form intersections, they feel solid and stable. Your lineweight however feels unconfident, scratchy and is added unnecessarily to certain points.

You're off to a great start with your shadows, but there are some instances where you forgot some bits like the top left sausage on the last page, of the one on the bottom that's on top of a small circle, since the light source seems to be coming from the top, that little bit of the sphere would also be covered in a shadow.

Extra thoughts

I actually noticed that your 250 boxes challenge submission wasn't marked as complete before you moved on to Lesson 2, and on top of that there was only a 4 day period between your 250 boxes and your Lesson 2 submission. This leads me to believe you either completed 250 boxes while you also worked on Lesson 2 or you rushed both, which since you completed 250 boxes in 10 days when the recommended amount of boxes per day is 5-10 is a bit concerning to me.

I'm also not sure if it's possible to keep up with the 50? rule very well at a pace like that, unless you're drawing 6+ hours per day.

Remember to take your time, don't rush, you should finish these exercises to the best of your current ability, not as fast as possible.

It's highly recommended that you wait before you start a new lesson or challenge until your previous submission has been given a solid critique. Often these critiques point out patterns of bad habits that are easily broken only after they've been pointed out. You should use this time waiting to focus on the 50? rule.

I suggest that you join the Discord server you haven't already, and check the critique exchange channel to see how you can contribute to the community and always get guaranteed feedback even though you're not subscribed to DAB's patreon.

https://discord.com/invite/FtSS4hhqSu

I'll be marking this lesson as complete.

Next Steps:

Don't forget to focus on your weak spots by adding these exercises to your list of warm ups, and remember the 50? rule.

Move on to Lesson 3.

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edited at 2:06 PM, Jun 19th 2021
5:21 AM, Monday June 21st 2021

Thank you so much for your lovely feedback again I will surely focus on my weak spots by adding the exercises to my list of warmups as you told me to and now as you told me about the 50% rule. I feel stupid that I literally forgot about it. I am really sorry and I will make sure that this won't happen again I am actually doing the radio runners solo artist curriculum if you know about that. In it I was given a month's time to complete the Drawabox lesson 0 to 3, 250 cylinders and 250 box challenge I was running low on time so I rushed for it which was a mistake which I shouldn't have done but none the less I shouldn't Rant about it anymore. I also incorporated the ghosting Planes and ellipses exercise to my list of warmups as you told me to and I can see improvement in my ellipses so thanks for that. plus I don't drop for 6 hours daily I try to maintain 2 to 4 hours of drawing daily.

Thanks again.

2:25 PM, Monday June 21st 2021

Hey, it's alright now you know about that :)

I think I heard about this curriculum and it has been even discussed by Uncomfortable himself on the Discord. It has great resources and it has a great overall list of things that you should practice, however it is TERRIBLE for the time frames it gives you.

Art cannot be speedrunned, the brain needs time to absorb the contents we practice and we need time to develop the muscle memory, and when it comes to Drawabox on that curriculum it's just not possible to complete it that quickly without breaking some of the principles of DAB, like the 50? rule. Which is very important so that you don't burn out and you actually apply the things that you learned so you can actually tell that you learned something. Plus 250 cylinders is heavily recommended to be tackled only after completing Lesson 5.

Rushing through the course will actually get you worse results, and it's heavily discouraged by the creator and everyone who has completed the course. I heavily encourage you to, if you decide to follow the Radiorunner curriculum, to use it just as a loose guide of resources and what to practice, and completely disregard it's time frames.

And hey that's great! Continue practicing and good luck on the rest of your DAB and drawing journey :)

5:07 AM, Tuesday June 22nd 2021

Thank you so much, I will surely consider your advice also should I do the 250 cylinders exercise all over again after completing the 5th lesson. what do you think please let me know.

thanks you

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