Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes

4:43 PM, Tuesday September 20th 2022

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For clarification on just a couple of things — in the first superimposed lines exercise, I was still figuring everything out so some of the marks are drawn in a different direction than others. There was one set of lines that I started drawing in the wrong direction as well, so I crossed it out and did it again the right way. I had to do the first SI Lines in ballpoint because I didn’t have any fineliners yet. In addition, on the second page of SI Lines, I drew a big mark down the middle to superset some different sets of lines because when I drew them, they ended up really close together and it kind of looked like they were all part of the same set. Also on the first Table of Ellipses challenge, in one of the cells I forgot to draw through my ellipses. I figured it wasn’t a good idea to go and do that again after I had already drawn them all so I just made a little note about it and moved on. I did properly draw through the rest of the ellipses on the page, though. And also on the Rough Perspectives exercise, the marker pen I was using for the red lines bled through a little bit so there are a couple tiny splotches that look a bit like guiding dots for the lines, but they aren’t supposed to be there and hopefully aren’t too big of a deal.

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11:39 PM, Tuesday September 20th 2022

Congratulations on completing lesson one!

I've tried to be quite thorough, so I appologise if it is overwhelming - feel free to ask for clarification if I've not explained something well enough.

Lines

Superimposed lines:

Regarding the one crossed out - mistakes are better left alone. The requested amount of each exercise is ample to demonstrate whether you have understood the lesson, so you wouldn't be penilised for having one of your fifty-three superimposed lines being off (which in this case it wasn't, you can draw in the other direction if that is comfortable for you).

These start off a little wobbly, and while it is clear that you've attempted to start at the same point although a few more seconds lining up the pen before it hits the paper would help with some of the marks at the start, more consistent in confidence and trajectory on the second page.

The curves look reasonably confident - it is difficult to get them the same each pass, but this is something to practice in your warm-ups.

For the waves, read back through this section of lesson 1: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/3/consistent

Ghosted lines and planes:

Some of your lines are confident and smooth, but a lot of the others are either wobbling or arcing. The priority is confidence - until your lines are confident and smooth, accuracy does not matter.

You have a nice variety of planes in a good composition.

You are missing one set of internal lines in your ghosted planes - try to make sure you are looking back over your work to make sure you haven't made mistakes like this as this is an indication of lack of attention. It is good to see that you've marked the position of the non-diagonal internal lines, however you are drawing the starting and ending dots too big. Make sure you draw them the same size as the lines you draw so you can assess the results of the ghosting line exercises properly.

In some instances, you have repeated lines. Each line is to be drawn once, and only once, regardless of how it turns out. Redrawing the line only serves to highlight the mistake by adding visual weight, which will hinder your ability to create intentional focal points later on.

Ellipses:

Table of ellipses:

First, your decision to not go back and correct the ellipses that you did not draw through was correct, for the same reason as in the lines. That section aside, a lot of your ellipses are drawn through about 1.8 times, with the tail end being flicked off, rather than following around the tighter angle a second time to meet back where you started (I hope that makes sense?) - try to fully complete that second pass before lifting your pen.

You have a good variety of ellipse sizes and degrees, and while your accuracy is good, this is sometimes at the expense of the smoothness and roundness of the ellipse. A lot of your ellipses have ended up looking a little pointy, which is often an indication that you may be accidentily switching to a lesser pivot (using your wrist or elbow, rather than your shoulder). Try to be mindful of this going forward.

Ellipses in planes:

These, for the most part, seem much less concerned with accuracy, which is good to see. Moving forward, in addition to the above, you will want to work on tightening your ellipses, by making your second pass more closely resemble your first, rather than using your second pass to fix the mistakes of the first (I don't know whether you are or not, I'm just saying so you know what to focus on juring your warmups).

Funnels:

Your composition here is a little sparse - note how the example homework fills all the avaliable space, allowing more opportunity to practice with larger ellipses: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/14/example You might want to try using a larger template (such as a dinner plate) for some funnels in your warm-ups.

You have done a good job at minimizing the spaces between your ellipses and you have mostly managed to allign the minor axis of the ellipses with the centre line, but again you seem to be focusing on the accuracy rather than the smoothness that you should be prioritising.

All of your ellipses seem to be the same degree, so you may want to consider attempting the option of increasing the degree as you move futher from the middle line: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/14/step3

Boxes:

Plotted perspective:

This looks good. You have demonstrated a good understanding of two-point perspective, and have been able to identify front facing planes.

Rough perspective:

Don't worry about the bleeding in this case, but it would be helpful if you could find a thinner pen or pencil to draw extension lines with, as this will make it easier for you to assess how accurate your lines are.

Barring one or two lines, your convergences are quite respectable, and demonstrate a good understanding of how the parallel lines of a box converge in one-point perspective. You have also correctly extended your lines back to the horizon.

The main issue here is your linework. As with the ghosted planes, the smoothness of the line should be the priority, not the accuracy of the shape.

I think you understand that the lines for the width of the box should be parallel to the horizon and that the lines for the height of the box should be purpendicular to the horizon, but in some cases you seem to be letting the marks you have indicated for the convergence of the depth lines dictate where you draw the lines on the rear face. The dots you place are not a commitment - you can look at the lines around and place new dots - I find that rotating the page to look at it from a new angle shows mistakes that I hadn't seen before. Once you are happy that the lines implied by the dot are horizontal, vertical and converging, then you can ghost between the dots and draw the line (once and with confidence: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/10/execution).

Rotated boxes:

You completed it - well done!

It is a little small, which is tempting to do when faced with a challenging task like this one, but drawing bigger would give your brain some much-needed room to think, and make it easier to think through the problem.

You've made a good attempt at rotating your boxes, and as far as I can tell you have drawn through them. You've also kept the corners of the top planes quite close to each other, reducing the guesswork involved. In the future, remember that you can also use the corners of neighbouring boxes to determine the near corners of the bottom planes.

I'm not going to repeat about linework, except to mention that when hatching, the lines should also be ghosted and drawn from the shoulder with the same careful consideration as all other lines.

Organic perspective:

It's good to see that you have pushed the scale of the boxes, with some very small ones further away, and some very large ones up close.

It is unclear whether some of the lines that you have redrawn are intended to be lineweight. If they were, they should be drawn with confident ghosted lines, and they should only be on the external lines of the box: https://drawabox.com/lesson/250boxes/1/lineweight

It good that you have overlapped some of your boxes - this gives a better impression of space. It would be beneficial to draw through the overlapped sections, as if the box in front was transparent - this gives you more opportunity to accurately draw the box behind.

Next Steps:

While you've made a good attempt at the exercises, it would do you a disservice to send you off to the 250 box challenge without ensuring that you have understood how to plan, ghost and execute your lines with confidence.

Read and watch back through the relevant sections, then complete:

1 page of Ellipses in planes

1 page of Rough perspective

When you've finished, reply with them here.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
5:13 PM, Friday September 23rd 2022

Wow! Thank you for taking the time to give such a well thought out analysis of my work, I really appreciate it. As for the waves in the Superimposed Lines exercise, I reread the link you sent, and I understand what I did wrong. My only confusion with that is that I was under the impression that the superimposed lines were meant to be drawn in one stroke, so are the waves an exception to that? Like - am I supposed to go over each bump eight times, rather than the whole line eight times? Because I was not aware of that and I will keep it in mind in the future.

I also did not notice I was missing a set of lines in my planes! I’ll be sure to look over my work going forward.

Yes, I’ve noticed I have a habit of occasionally going over lines more than once. I’ve been working to stop myself from doing that, so I apologize for that.

I definitely see what you mean about only drawing through my ellipses about 1.8 times - I’ve tried to correct that in my revised Ellipses in Planes exercise. And you were correct, I caught myself starting to pivot with my wrist several times in the ToE exercise - as far as I could tell, I didn’t do that any with my revised work, so hopefully that’s good.

I will mention that as for the linework in my planes, the worst wobbling line (the horizontal line in the top left plane on the first image) turned out horribly because when I tried to draw it my hand fell off the paper and the friction caused it to bounce against the table several times when I tried to drag my pen across the page. I know that doesn’t change anything (especially with all the other wobbly lines) but it still felt worth mentioning.

I think I’ve done a good job on tightening my ellipses and keeping them consistent in my revised work, so hopefully you agree.

I did notice my funnels were somewhat sparse - I tried to get in as many as I felt like I could, but I probably should have tried to make them a bit bigger.

As for the degree of my ellipses, I may be misunderstanding how degree works, because when I drew them I was consciously trying to increase the degree as I went - since several of the ellipses are bigger and wider when they get further out, or at least I tried to do that. If it doesn’t seem like I did that, it may be worth it to give me some advice on exactly how degree works. ^^”

Yes, I was focusing too heavily on trying to connect the dots in my initial rough perspectives. In my revised work, I tried really hard not to do that (I swear I did!) but it still doesn’t look like it at times because I still struggled with getting my liens perfectly parallel and perpendicular. I swear I tried, though!!

With my rotated boxes, I definitely did think it was a little small, too. I don’t know if this changes anything, but it does fee” worth mentioning that I was actually really excited to try to tackle that one. I didn’t intentionally draw it smaller than it should have been, I just have a habit of drawing everything small (as you can see with things like how many planes I have in my original work). I don’t know if that’s relevant, but it seemed worth saying. And yes, I did draw through my boxes! It’s kind of hard to see with the cross hatching, though.

Really my only question is: I was under the impression that we were not supposed to draw through out boxes in organic perspectives? Since Uncomfortable mentioned how each box we drew was made up of three sets of parallel lines, and brought up the “Y” method of drawing a box, as well as how he didn’t draw through his in the example homework or the video? I’m not trying to sound accusatory or like a know-it-all, I just genuinely thought we weren’t supposed to for that one.

Anyway, all that being said, here’s my revised work!

https://imgur.com/a/cu4rF7Z

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12:10 AM, Wednesday September 28th 2022

Hello. Your revisions show improvement and I am happy to say I have marked your lesson 1 complete. You are free to move on to the 250 Box challenge. I have given some more feedback based on your revisions and questions, which I hope you find useful in both your warm-ups and in future exercises.

"I was under the impression that the superimposed lines were meant to be drawn in one stroke, so are the waves an exception to that? Like - am I supposed to go over each bump eight times, rather than the whole line eight times?" - In the homework, the specific lines requested were straight lines and curves, which should be drawn as entire lines. More complicated shapes, like waves, should be broken down into segments, and aren't really the best lines to attempt to draw superimposed.

Ghosted Planes and Ellipses in Planes

In this exercise you have done well at prioritizing the smoothness of your lines. There is still some arcing, which is common when learning to use a different pivot, but the hesitancy that was present in your original submission is gone.

It is also very good to see that you have not drawn over any lines that didn't turn out how you wanted.

It is nice to see that your starting and ending points are much smaller, allowing accurate lines to swallow them. As such, I cannot tell whether or not you are marking the position of the non-diagonal internal lines, so I'll assume that you are.

"I will mention that as for the linework in my planes, the worst wobbling line (the horizontal line in the top left plane on the first image) turned out horribly because when I tried to draw it my hand fell off the paper and the friction caused it to bounce against the table several times when I tried to drag my pen across the page. I know that doesn’t change anything (especially with all the other wobbly lines) but it still felt worth mentioning." - Fair enough. To be honest, I didn't think that looked like a hesitant line as the wobbling was too exaggerated.

Your ellipses are consistently drawn through. Some are deformed (more like an egg shape), but overall they show improvement, and should get better with practice.

"As for the degree of my ellipses, I may be misunderstanding how degree works, because when I drew them I was consciously trying to increase the degree as I went - since several of the ellipses are bigger and wider when they get further out, or at least I tried to do that. If it doesn’t seem like I did that, it may be worth it to give me some advice on exactly how degree works." - So your ellipses did get bigger and wider, but the relationship between the length and width was relatively maintained. When we talk about increasing the degree, the aim is to go from ellipses that have a major axis that is much greater than their minor axis to ellipses that have a very similar length of major and minor axis. So the ellipses nearest the centre are very narrow and the ellipses at the edges are nearly circles. https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/5/degree

Rough Perspective

I asked for revisions on this exercise, not because there was anything you misunderstood about the task in particular, but as an opportunity to re-attempt applying confident ghosted lines to a more complicated exercise. While your lines here are straighter, and more parallel, they are still not as confident as the lines in your ghosted planes.

"I was focusing too heavily on trying to connect the dots in my initial rough perspectives. [...] It still doesn’t look like it at times because I still struggled with getting my liens perfectly parallel and perpendicular."

  • So the thing to remember here: In ghosted lines, each line was a unit of work. In ghosted planes, uncomfortable points out that even though it seems like the objective is to draw a plane, the unit of work is still just one line https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/11/purpose. In rough perspective (and all the other box exercises), the unit of work is still the line, even though eventually it adds up to a box. So, while you are planning to draw a box in perspective, you are actually drawing smooth, confident lines - every time you go to make a mark on the paper, this is what you are aiming to do.

"I was under the impression that we were not supposed to draw through out boxes in organic perspectives?" - Yes, so in this case we're not supposed to draw through each box. That is, we shouldn't see the back edges, as though the box were transparent. What uncomfortable does recommend, however, is drawing through overlapping boxes. So drawing each box as if you could see the whole of it's front edges, even if another box is in front of it. Does that make sense?

Next Steps:

Good luck with the 250 box challenge. Don't forget that you can post pages in the #basic-challenges channel so you can receive feedback as you go.

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4:28 PM, Wednesday September 28th 2022

Thank you for the critique and support! I'll be sure to take it into consideration moving forward, and I appreciate all the time and effort you've put into it. As for the last part about overlapping boxes, I know exactly what you mean, and I'll be sure to do it next time I try that exercise. Thank you once again, and good luck with your own work going forward!

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