I definitely screwed some of these up - tire tread is kinda difficult to use only implicit shadows, there were a lot of times I struggled to imply the shape without explicitly outlining certain parts of it that were not necessarily in shadow.
Regardless of all the mistakes I think this was a really helpful challenge, especially going into lesson 7.
Thanks in advanced for any feedback!
Hello Cornball! I'm Simon and I'll be attempting to review your 25 Wheels challenge :)
First of all for your construction you did a really good job putting the back ellipse with a wider ° than the front one I imagine you had an ellipse guide that's about the best you can do unless you have 200 ellipse guides for all the different °
I'll just note for number 17 and 21 the structured is kind of screwed and it does seem like a few of the latest wheels you put a bit less effort into, so just be careful during Lesson 7 not to rush the construction step since it's the most important one.
With wheels like n°24 I see you got better at drawing the sides of the wheels and taking into account their 3D shape but be careful with wheels like n°9 to use the right ° of ellipse as the center goes further and further inside.
For the textures you started doing a really good job of doing the cast shadows of the texture only with wheels like n°1 or 5 but the more you advance the more it seems like you gave up a bit on it and started losing sight of the texture you were shading like n°21 or n°25. Be sure to always have a distinct light source when shading and I recommend you go back and check the material about shading from Lesson 2(I think) to refresh if needed :)
Little note on the shading, when filling in the dark areas with a ballpoint pen it looks like be careful to not leave little white spots during lesson 7 and if possible get a fineliner brush or just a big fineliner like 1.0 to help you fill in the black areas :)
Other than that all in all great job! Just be mindful not to rush and I'm sure your vehicles will come out looking great!
Best of luck!
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Great job ! Feel free to move on to the Lesson 7!
Hey Simon! Thanks for the unsolicited critique again! Greatly appreciated as always :)
Yeah, the overall structure on some of these (17, 4, and 21 in particluar) got really screwed up early on in the process, but I figured I'd push through anyway. I think your second point is also right, I was losing steam toward the end of this challenge and rather than take some time away and come back when I was feeling motivated, I pressured myself to grind through to the end because I was eager to start on Lesson 7. This was surely a mistake, and it's good to know that the drop in attention is easily noticeable.
And yeah! The sides of the wheels I really didn't know what to do with. Most of the time they're fairly featureless, but I could have at least included a few more ellipses to help indicate that the side bulged out too. Ultimately, I didn't think I had enough room (small ellipse guide and whatnot) to preserve the ratio of tire/hubcap while also indicating this side bulge, so I just left them alone for the most part.
You're so right about watching the degree of the interior ellipses - I should have been more careful about that. There were a few that I even deliberately chose different degrees since I thought it looked more correct, but of course this turned out to be wrong for the same reason that having "parallel" lines converge to different VP's is wrong. Just one of many lessons I learned through this challenge!
In my defense, I really was trying to stick to purely implicit shadows on all of these, but some of the larger tire treads were difficult to imply without explicitly outlining parts of their form. 21 was just wrong from the start, but for the rest that was truly my best effort. It's hard to admit for tires like 11, 8, and 21, but I really was trying my best xD
Thanks again for all the feedback!
Thanks for the answer it's always nice to have a return on a feedback :)
For pushing through that's completely fine if you can go slower and keep doing your best
We're all different on that if you need a break that's fine for me I just end up working a 1/3 or even 1/2 as fast when i'm losing focus but i try to keep pushing through until the next day where I get more motivation but you know yourself best :)
For the side of the wheels if it's a didn't have the smaller ellipses on your guides then no worries it's understandable, but yeah if you're eager to start Lesson 7 careful with that cause with most vehicles the "outside" of the wheel is hidden for the most part and what you see are the sides! and it's one of the most recognisable parts of the vehicles so try to put effort into them on your vehicles
For the shadows yeah no worries most are great so just keep an eye on it :)
and happy if the feedback could help!
i have a question how long have you been drawing for and did this website help alot? but i love what you drew wish to do that soon aswell
Thank you! I haven't been drawing very long, at least not seriously. This course has helped a ton, not just on the fundamentals of form and perspective but on shifting my mindset on the practice. I'm sure if you follow this course, you'll be where I'm at soon! Honestly I'm not very far along in my art journey :P
It wasn't until about a year and a half ago that I started to take art more seriously as a discipline. I never had any formal training or took any art classes in school (I studied computer science at uni), so having this course start with the baseline assumption that you have zero experience or knowledge really helped for me. I would draw intermittently throughout my life whenever inspiration hit me, and spend like 6 hours on a piece that was super amateur but I still felt pretty good about for someone with no idea what they were doing.
I think there's a lot of valuable aspects to this course, but the core of its value stems from its focus: developing spatial reasoning skills through exercises in building believable forms in perspective. This is a convergent instrumental goal for any artist - no matter what artistic goals you have, or what branch of art you intend to explore, this will help you anywhere you choose to take your practice. That's what makes this course special - it's an effective on-boarding process for literally any type of artist. This course doesn't pigeon-hole you into a specific style or medium - you can take this knowledge anywhere and everywhere with you, and you will still find ways to benefit from it.
I hope you're able to derive some value out of this course! It's hard work but it's fully worthwhile. Good luck with your journey and happy drawing :)
This recommendation is really just for those of you who've reached lesson 6 and onwards.
I haven't found the actual brand you buy to matter much, so you may want to shop around. This one is a "master" template, which will give you a broad range of ellipse degrees and sizes (this one ranges between 0.25 inches and 1.5 inches), and is a good place to start. You may end up finding that this range limits the kinds of ellipses you draw, forcing you to work within those bounds, but it may still be worth it as full sets of ellipse guides can run you quite a bit more, simply due to the sizes and degrees that need to be covered.
No matter which brand of ellipse guide you decide to pick up, make sure they have little markings for the minor axes.
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