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7:06 PM, Wednesday October 26th 2022
edited at 7:10 PM, Oct 26th 2022

Starting with the leaves you are doing a much better job and you are following each of the steps carefully. It seems that you are indeed taking your time to build each bump and cut and when it comes to the more complex leaf structures you've done it well too

Moving on to your own plants the main issue here is lineweight, I think you may have switched pens for these ones, so try to stick to the fineliners in the 0.4-0.6 range. However it may be, it is important that you only use lineweight to clarify how different forms overlap, for example you can see it applied here in the context of some leaves.(https://imgur.com/WILCymm ) You can see that we keep it localized in the area where the overlap occurs rather than applying it to the entire silhouette.

The main thing I want to call out here is that it seems that you've not followed the advice I gave you last time about taking as much time as you should with these constructions. According to the dates written there you actually drew both plants in one day which is not ideal. As simple as plants are, these constructions take a while to finish and you should give yourself plenty of time to think about these problems and the way you can start to solve them. For example on the second drawing I noticed that you've used some contour lines to bring out the form of this plant but keep in mind that contours can easily work against us by flattening our drawings, if you find yourself drawing many of them you want to step back and rethink what you are doing. I also noticed that you were much less careful and deliberate when adding those bumps to the edges of the leaves or petals, again this comes down to the fact that you are not giving yourself enough time to work through these constructional problems.

Sometimes students will think that they're somehow expected to complete a given drawing before they get up from their drawing session. And thus, their drawing must take the amount of time they have to offer it. This of course is not true - you are welcome and encouraged to split a single page, a single drawing, or a single exercise across as many sessions and days as you need. Your only requirement is that you give each object, each form, and each mark as much time as they individually require to be done at your best.

However I will not hold you back any longer buy I do expect you to keep working on these issues on your own.

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Lesson 4

This community member feels the lesson should be marked as complete, and 4 others agree. The student has earned their completion badge for this lesson and should feel confident in moving onto the next lesson.
edited at 7:10 PM, Oct 26th 2022
9:42 PM, Wednesday October 26th 2022
edited at 9:53 PM, Oct 26th 2022

hi i think i understand overlaping and my linewieght issue yeah i use 0.3 and 0.5

yeah i didnt give much time observing and i should after draw that and after drawing many times to feel confidance and interprating construction forms to draw over ref to see how i go far with construction drawing

but

in second image i use freebies contours alread there but yeah i used in the main form another ellipse and ruin the solidty and it feels flat and some contours have gaps and made it flat

but i think i breack every part nicely to primtive form

without getting too caught up with one particular aspect or detail of it.

its matter of proportions and scale and the first one i didnt understand how the parts intersect and draw guide like the branch intersecting part and its obviuos also in the pollens part

and the second one i didnt observe well thats obviuos in the form from the ref proportion and contours drawn from the wrong construction ellipse (the outer guide of petals not from the inner ) and in the form there should be ellpise for contour changing movements

but i breack them good to primive shapes

i will draw them again maybe after lesson 4 are u going to be my mentor in l4

edited at 9:53 PM, Oct 26th 2022
11:39 PM, Wednesday October 26th 2022

Ah okay if that's the issue then you can search for multiple reference images to better understand how the subject is conformed.

And about your last question I'm not sure, honestly I'm not a teaching assistant and I critique when I can, so I cannot give you a definitive answer

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A lot of my students use these. The last time I used them was when I was in high school, and at the time I felt that they dried out pretty quickly, though I may have simply been mishandling them. As with all pens, make sure you're capping them when they're not in use, and try not to apply too much pressure. You really only need to be touching the page, not mashing your pen into it.

In terms of line weight, the sizes are pretty weird. 08 corresponds to 0.5mm, which is what I recommend for the drawabox lessons, whereas 05 corresponds to 0.45mm, which is pretty close and can also be used.

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