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6:41 PM, Saturday October 22nd 2022
edited at 7:09 PM, Oct 26th 2022

Hello I’ll be handling the critique for your lesson 3 homework.

Organic Arrows

-Starting with the organic arrows you are doing some good attempts at the perspective of the ribbon and you’ve also drawn your marks with confidence. It seems that you are both aware of how the arrow gets wider as it moves closer to the viewer, and the fact that the negative space between the zigzagging sections of the ribbon decreases as it moves further away. I don’t really have anything to call out here so let’s move on to the next section.


-Moving on to the branches I think that you may have not followed the instructions as best as you could have.

  • First of all remember that you should extend each segment fully halfway to the next ellipse. RIght now it seems that you are drawing each edge of the branch in one go rather than dividing it into segments. This causes you to have some gaps where the edges are not touching the ellipses.

  • Once you’ve drawn those edges you can use them as a sort of a “runway” to guide your next stroke, by overlapping them a good bit, this will ehlp ou to achieve a smoother transition. Here is a diagram that illustrates these past two points https://d15v304a6xpq4b.cloudfront.net/lesson_images/18463269.png .

-And lastly remember that the ellipses should shift degrees as they move through space, this concept was explained in lesson 1 ellipses section so go andd check it out if you need a reminder.


-Moving on to the leaves you are doing a good job with the first two steps, that is drawing the flow line and the edges for the silhouette. But you are skipping one important step and that is drawing the edge details, the only optional step is to add texture. So unfortunately I don’t have too much to critique here.


-Moving on to the plant constructions you are moving in the right direction and overall this is a good start but we do need to keep working on some things, so let’s see what those are.

Now that we are getting into constructional drawing is important to keep in mind that we should do our best to break our subjects into their more primitive elements without getting too caught up with one particular aspect or detail of it.That means bulding our drawing one step at a time, making a lot of desicions and smaller moves rather than trying to capture many things at once

-Also before continuing on further I did notice that you included many demos for your plants, and they constitute more than half of them which is against the instructions, they clearly state that they should consitute less than half. I’m not going to hold you back just for that one detail but I do want to stress how important it is to read the instructions carefully.

-The first thing I want to call out is the way you have drawn the leaves in the potato plant demo, it seems that you have not followed the steps laid out in the leaves exercise, right now you are just drawing the flow line but then instead of drawing the edges and then adding the edge details it seems that you are trying to do both at the same time. Which goes against what we were talking about at the beginning of this section, so remember to alway take things one step at a time rather than trying to capture many things at once.

However it seems that you are actually following this process correctly on your orchid, anyways do keep it mind in the future.

-Another important issue to call out is leaving gaps. One way this can happen is when the flow line of one petal or leaf doesn’t meet at the tip with its edges like on your daisy demo and another way it can happen is when you lay down an ellipse as a foot print for how the flow lines should be arranged but at the end those lines don’t touch it.

For example, when you start a flower with an ellipse to establish how far out the petals will reach, the flow lines you then draw for each petal should stop at the perimeter of that ellipse, rather than falling short or shooting past. Then the given petal should only be as long as the flow line, with its end stopping at the flow line's tip. This allows for the simpler structures to pass on their solidity as we build upon them - but this does not work if you approach the drawing as a loose sketch. This issue is seen on your hibiscus demo.

-And lastly let’s talk about texture, I see that you’ve add it in most of your plants but there are some things that need to be adressed.

There are many cases where you will add many cast shadows , like on the hibiscus demo, however this can easily become as distracting as drawing explicit details, and that is what happened here. One way to solve this issue is to use a gradient, that means having an area that is densely packed with cast shadows and progressively moving to an area where these details are more sparse, we saw how to do this on lesson 2 texture analysis. You may be thinking that texture serves as decoration but this isn’t the case it helps to define a specific relationship wih the form casting the shadow and the surface receiving it, It comes handy with situations like your Napoleonaea where all of those exlicit details are quite distracting. So before finishing this critique I want you to go and read this notes that may help you to apply texture more effectively in the future. https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/2/reminders

Okay, I’ll assign some revisions so you can apply these principles on some of your own plants.

Good luck!!!!!!!

Next Steps:

-Please do the following

-1 page of leaves

-2 pages of plant constructions focusing only on the construction without any texture

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
edited at 7:09 PM, Oct 26th 2022
9:24 AM, Tuesday October 25th 2022

https://imgur.com/a/SPs0h4I hi these my revision thank u sir

7:06 PM, Wednesday October 26th 2022
edited at 7:10 PM, Oct 26th 2022

Starting with the leaves you are doing a much better job and you are following each of the steps carefully. It seems that you are indeed taking your time to build each bump and cut and when it comes to the more complex leaf structures you've done it well too

Moving on to your own plants the main issue here is lineweight, I think you may have switched pens for these ones, so try to stick to the fineliners in the 0.4-0.6 range. However it may be, it is important that you only use lineweight to clarify how different forms overlap, for example you can see it applied here in the context of some leaves.(https://imgur.com/WILCymm ) You can see that we keep it localized in the area where the overlap occurs rather than applying it to the entire silhouette.

The main thing I want to call out here is that it seems that you've not followed the advice I gave you last time about taking as much time as you should with these constructions. According to the dates written there you actually drew both plants in one day which is not ideal. As simple as plants are, these constructions take a while to finish and you should give yourself plenty of time to think about these problems and the way you can start to solve them. For example on the second drawing I noticed that you've used some contour lines to bring out the form of this plant but keep in mind that contours can easily work against us by flattening our drawings, if you find yourself drawing many of them you want to step back and rethink what you are doing. I also noticed that you were much less careful and deliberate when adding those bumps to the edges of the leaves or petals, again this comes down to the fact that you are not giving yourself enough time to work through these constructional problems.

Sometimes students will think that they're somehow expected to complete a given drawing before they get up from their drawing session. And thus, their drawing must take the amount of time they have to offer it. This of course is not true - you are welcome and encouraged to split a single page, a single drawing, or a single exercise across as many sessions and days as you need. Your only requirement is that you give each object, each form, and each mark as much time as they individually require to be done at your best.

However I will not hold you back any longer buy I do expect you to keep working on these issues on your own.

Next Steps:

Lesson 4

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edited at 7:10 PM, Oct 26th 2022
9:42 PM, Wednesday October 26th 2022
edited at 9:53 PM, Oct 26th 2022

hi i think i understand overlaping and my linewieght issue yeah i use 0.3 and 0.5

yeah i didnt give much time observing and i should after draw that and after drawing many times to feel confidance and interprating construction forms to draw over ref to see how i go far with construction drawing


in second image i use freebies contours alread there but yeah i used in the main form another ellipse and ruin the solidty and it feels flat and some contours have gaps and made it flat

but i think i breack every part nicely to primtive form

without getting too caught up with one particular aspect or detail of it.

its matter of proportions and scale and the first one i didnt understand how the parts intersect and draw guide like the branch intersecting part and its obviuos also in the pollens part

and the second one i didnt observe well thats obviuos in the form from the ref proportion and contours drawn from the wrong construction ellipse (the outer guide of petals not from the inner ) and in the form there should be ellpise for contour changing movements

but i breack them good to primive shapes

i will draw them again maybe after lesson 4 are u going to be my mentor in l4

edited at 9:53 PM, Oct 26th 2022
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