##### 6:10 PM, Wednesday September 14th 2022

Ok thanks. Im not entirely sure I understand what you meant in your explanation of the difference in foreshortening between the two circles. Are you saying that the cirle facing the viewer has a more extreme angle or the one facing away?

##### 6:37 PM, Wednesday September 14th 2022

The ellipse on the farther end of the cylinder, by virtue of being physically farther away from the viewer, is going to be seen as being wider than the end closer to it. It will also, by virtue of being farther away, be physically smaller on the page. By how much that far ellipse gets both smaller in scale and wider in its degree, is based on just how much foreshortening you're trying to convey.

As you make the degree shift and the scale shift more extreme, it shows more foreshortening being applied to the form, and therefore tells the viewer that there's more to the length of the form than what can strictly be measured on the page.

What we shouldn't see however are cases where the far end is dramatically smaller in scale than the closer end, but where it's still very similar in degree - because this would convey that the cylinder has both shallow (according to the degree shift) and dramatic (according to the scale shift) foreshortening at the same time, which would be self-contradictory.

As to your revisions, unfortunately you only appear to have extended the boxes' own edges, and have not applied any of the lines for the ellipses. Each ellipse should have a defined minor axis line, as well as two contact point lines, as explained in these notes. You applied these line extensions correctly when going through this section of the challenge the first time, so I do not really see why you would have neglected to include them here.

While your linework here is considerably more fastidious and far better planned/executed than before, which was the main issue I wanted you to address, I unfortunately cannot trade one mistake for another. Where previously the issue was that you got sloppy with your linework, and rushed through it, here not following the exercise's instructions in their entirety (despite knowing better) is simply another form of rushing.

As such, I will have to ask you to complete the 35 cylinders in boxes once more.

Next Steps:

Please complete the assigned revisions (35 cylinders in boxes) once again, and be sure to include all the appropriate line extensions correctly. These will have to be a new set of 35 boxes, so do not merely add the missing extensions to your existing work.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
##### 4:52 PM, Friday September 23rd 2022

I'm a little puzzled here. As I noted in my last round of feedback, I noted that you had applied the line extensions correctly the first time around, but when attempting your first round of revisions, you only extended your boxes' edges, and did not include the minor axis or contact point line extensions. You appear to have done the exact same thing this time.

If you're not understanding something, then please ask questions - although given that you had done this part correctly the first time, it suggests that something else has to be hindering or confusing you.

I am going to need you to do the revisions again - a third time - but before that, I'd like to ask what you did differently between this set and the one before it to address the concerns I raised in my last round of feedback. If you can explain how you were thinking about it, we might be able to identify what is getting in the way of you completing the task as requested.

Next Steps:

Please submit another 35 cylinders in boxes, with all the line extensions included, but beforehand please answer the question I posed above.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
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