250 Box Challenge

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I finally finished the 250 box challenge. I hope that i can get some feedbacks/critiques..

Also, my line is still wobbly even though i draw from elbow, and i don't know what to do and let it happen. Sometimes i wonder is it because i had a motorbike accident a few years ago...

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1:43 PM, Wednesday November 3rd 2021

Hello SimpleBanana/S.O.S congratulations on making it through the rigors of 250 boxes. As per your request on discord I'm going to take a loook and see if I can give you any helpful feedback.

Before I get into this, I notice you mention in your submission comments that you're drawing from your elbow, despite being advised multiple times in your lesson 1 critiques to draw from your shoulder. Please make sure you read the feedback you receive carefully, and ask questions if you're not sure about something. Please double check the lesson 1 section about using your arm, here https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/2 in the video Comfy demonstrates drawing using different pivot points. Aside from the texture section of lesson 2, you should aim to draw from your shoulder throughout the course.

Now, moving on, as I look through your boxes your lines do generally get a bit smoother and more confident as you go through the challenge. While your mark making has improved, I do see that you still hesitate in some areas. This is likely due to prioritizing your accuracy over creating a smooth, confident looking line.

Just remember that the confidence of the stroke is far and away your top priority. Once your pen touches the page, any opportunity to avoid mistakes has passed, so all you can really do is push through. Hesitation serves no purpose. Mistakes happen, but a smooth, confident mark is still useful even if it's a little off. If the line is wrong, we leave it and move onto the next step. Accuracy is something that you will improve on as you continue working through Drawabox and practice ghosting.

I would also recommend that you read this comment by Uncomfortable, https://drawabox.com/community/submission/VQH7VG0J/C4CM0EXQwhere he talks more about hesitation.

You've done a good job of applying lineweight to the silhouette of your boxes using super imposed lines, though the above comments about prioritising smooth confident lines still apply.

You've also done a good job of hatching one of the front faces of each box too, great work. Though some of your hatching lines appear to be a little haphazard or rushed, and others are a bit wobbly. Take your time and use the ghosting method for your hatching lines too.

You've done a good job of extending your lines to check your convegences throughout the challenge, and you're extending them in the correct direction, well done.

With regards to what your line extensions tell us about your boxes, remember that a box in 3 point perspective will ALWAYS have their lines converge. They can never diverge, or be parallel.

It is possible for them to converge very slightly, but they have to converge, even if it's really hard to notice it the convergence has to be there.

You have many many boxes with at least one set of lines drawn parallel on the page. Which leads me to think this was a concious, or deliberate choice you made throughout the challenge. For this challenge you want to think about your lines converging to a single point (vanishing point) which can be some distance off the page but they still need to converge. By practicing so many boxes in one and two point perspective (with sets of lines parallel on the page), you missed some oppourtunities to practice estimating convergences.

I am pleased to see that you did explore different proportions and rates of foreshortening with your boxes throughout the challenge. Good work.

While your convergence estimations do show improvement during the challenge I feel that this video from Scylla may help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mteUPdCHn4s

It's pretty normal to have the inner corners come out pretty off, as they are affected by the accumulation of previously done mistakes.

A way to improve them is to start thinking about the relationships between lines instead of just thinking about the lines in pairs. When drawing the lines of the boxes, the student should keep in mind all the other lines in the set, comparing their angles and making a guess based on them. https://i.imgur.com/8PqQLE0.png

The diagram can be pretty hard to understand at first, so if you don't understand it, don't get frustrated, keep reading it from time to time while practicing regularly, and it will click eventually.

From Elodin: "A thing I've found that helped me inmediately to improve the inner corner while I was doing the challenge is to change the order I drew boxes in. By drawing the inner corner before the last line of the box, I found it easier to use the previously mentioned info of thinking about the relationship between lines, and made it easier for me to get the convergences right. Here's the order I'm talking about:


This takes into advantage something explained in the rotated boxes exercise too (taking advantage of lines that are very close), so give a look at the page if you want to know more about it."

Nobody expects you to be able to freehand perfect boxes every time, but I believe you have the capacity to narrow down your margin of error and produce better boxes more often by applying the above feedback.

I'm a little on the fence about asking you to do revisions, but given that you didn't really apply the feedback you were given on lesson 1 I feel it would be irresponsible of me to mark this as complete without seeing you demonstrating an understanding of the feedback you have been given.

You've been given a lot of information here, and I want you to read it all carefully before doing your revisions, and hopefully this will help you improve.

Feel free to ping me on discord if you have questions or want any extra help.

Next Steps:

Please complete 15 additional boxes, all in 3 point perspective. So no sets of lines parallel on the page.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
2:14 PM, Wednesday November 3rd 2021

thank you so much for the detailed instructions, i will draw those 15 boxes while following your instruction carefuly first thing in the morning.

i can't express my gratitude enough that you have spend a long time writing detailed instruction.

3:43 AM, Friday November 5th 2021

Hi, andpie/DIO, this is my 15 additional boxes, i hope i did it well, no parallel lines this time


9:53 AM, Friday November 5th 2021


Thank you for replying with your revisions!

This is a big improvement compared to the last few pages in your box challenge and the boxes on your form intersections page. Great work!

You're now demonstrating a clear understanding of having all 3 sets of lines converge when drawing a box in 3 point perspective, which is what I wanted to see.

You have a mix here, of some smooth, confident lines, and some hesitant wobbly ones. I think the onus is on you now to analyse what it is that you do to produce a straight line, and what you do to make a wobbly one. During your warmups pay attention to the speed you draw a line, and the pivot point in your arm you use to make it, practice and experiment. It may help to regularly include some very long lines (ie the full length of the page) and really focus on drawing them confidently from your shoulder without worrying about accuracy.

Please add this box exercise to your pool of warmups, and good luck with the rest of lesson 2.

Next Steps:

Continue with lesson 2.

Remember to practice previous exercises as warmups.

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12:23 PM, Friday November 5th 2021

Thank you so much for the guidance andpie ! You gave me lots of motivation to continue my journey in DAB

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