250 Box Challenge

7:53 PM, Saturday August 7th 2021

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Thank you so much for taking the time and looking through my challenge :)

On a little side note: I had some physical problems/health issues around box 160 (thankfully I'm a lot better now) and had to take a several week long break from DaB and was really out of practice after that, so the quality drops for a few boxes.

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2:25 PM, Sunday August 15th 2021

Hey Cytori! first I would like to ask- how is your health now? I hope you are doing well. take care!

your work reveals that you had put a lot of focus,energy and time in completing the challenge.so your work came out beautiful, well done!.alrighty! lets roll the intro:

I'm chiran and I decided to check your submission and offer my insights on your work.

before we begin these are the name given specifically because of their order and to represent the specific section of the boxes

Newbies - ( 1-100 boxes) 2. Intermediates - (101-200 boxes) and 3. pros - ( 201- 250 boxes)

okay lets analyze your work by breaking into three parts.

PART 1: THE PRAISES ( The job you did well in the challenge)

  • checking the mistakes: you did a great job by checking the boxes convergences by extending the lines aways from the viewer.

by identifying where it went wrong, you did able to construct the boxes which has some good amount of convergences. ( like we can see on intermediates and pros) so hats off for that!

  • I can say that you are building a sense of confidence and patience in drawing your boxes by plotting down the starting and end points of the lines before executing, so thats good job!

  • Experimentation: I can say that you you did take time to construct various types of boxes with different orientation, proportion and foreshortening throughout this challenge so thats great too!

  • You got some pretty decent amount of convergence on the intermediates and pros so good job on that too!.

PART 2: WHERE IT WENT SLIGHTLY OFF? ( Where you should keep an eye on) ( No worries part!)

In this part I will just point out where it went slightly off. In the coming part I will explain how to avoid them and how you can improve them. I made this part because It will make our brain to remind us where we are going wrong and it will thereby make us conscious about our mistakes while drawing those boxes.

  • we would be glad to see, if you had hatched the face of the box which is facing to the viewer and also applied line weight to the box sillhouette ( body of the boxes). although these are optional in this challenge, I would highly suggest you to build that habit in your warm up boxes.

  • Thing I noticed in the newbies was that, in a rare time you did seem to prioritize accuracy over confidence thereby resulting in a hesitant, wobbly and curvy lines. yes they got improved in the pros and intermediates so thats good!

  • Box 117 have no perspective to it, we should avoid those types of boxes in our warm ups.

  • of course you had improved throughout the challenge but there are times where some of the set of lines converges at a faster rates than the others resulting in converging in pairs. this point you can definitely work on, in your warm ups.

  • It's completely and totally normal to have the back corner line slightly off compared to the rest. you should try and work on those as well. they have significantly improved at end of your work so nice job!


  • You're making good progress towards understanding the concepts introduced in this challenge, below I'll be listing some things that will hopefully help you in your future attempts at these boxes.

  • I believe that you are understanding the concept of perspective very well. but still I will leave a note here so that you can come back at any time to review the notes:


related to diverging lines : according to the rule of perspective; All the parallel line in the 3D world( real world) will appear to converge to a specific VP on a 2d page. so what we can say is ,our parallel lines should always converge as a set not in pairs and they will never diverge from the VP as this will broke the rule of perspective.So next time, instead of drawing parallel lines in the boxes, mention your conscious mind that the parallel lines in the 3d world of box will always converge to a specific vp( vanishing point). these vps can either be staying inside the page ( creating more dramatic boxes)or outside of it ( creating shallow boxes) https://imgur.com/mWLlnYl

if your aware of this rule then you need to build mileage by including 1-2 boxes in your daily warm up routine.

THE INNER CORNER PARADOX: In this challenge, we are estimating where our lines going to converge to a point. as we are humans, it is almost impossible to perfectly estimate where our lines will going to converge thereby resulting in an error. this error will continue to accumulate as we construct the box freely rotated in space. finally this accumulated error will be thrown to the back corner. So its pretty normal to have the inner back corner come out pretty off.

I want to take a look at this info here;https://i.imgur.com/8PqQLE0.png

In this image we can know that how each line will behave relating to the position from its neighbouring edges and the VP.So we can arrive at the conclusion that, If the distance between the internal edges and external edges gets reduce more and more they will eventually become parallel to one and another. Alternatively If the distance between the internal corner and the external grow more and more the internal line will also converge.you can also try and start from the back corner if the box is narrower.https://imgur.com/a/DHlA3Jh

these diagram can be pretty hard to understand at first, so if you don't understand it, don't get frustrated, keep reading it from time to time while practicing regularly, and it will click eventually

  • if you are concerned about accuracy .then I will advise to leave it there for some time and prioritize confidence first. after we build some confidence we can work on some accuracy as well. ( how can we say we are confident? - when we prioritize confidence and draw lines from our shoulder without thinking about any accuracy there. our lines will look solid and more appealing,even though they are in inaccurate )

  • I would suggest you to include hatching lines ( remember to hatch the front face of the viewer) and super imposed lines to the boxes silhouettes. always remember to add them with confidence and draw them from your shoulder. because hatching lines and line weight will help to solidify the form and help us or viewer to know which face is front and which face is back.

  • we would be glad to see, if you had constructed the boxes which are big and having some extreme amount of convergence to it. yeah I would suggest to try those types in your warm ups too.no problem though

  • the shallow boxes are very important for the upcoming exercises and even extreme dramatic foreshortening boxes are also important when you want to convey fish eye perspective in your scene. so i would encourage you to practice both the types as well


we all know, this challenge was very intimidating because of constructing 250 boxes arbitrarily rotated in 3d and yet you did a great job by keeping persistent till the end with lots of effort, focus, energy and time so hats off for that.

feel free to incorporate the above mentioned points in your warm ups. construct 1-2 boxes daily. after some time you will see how your boxes get better and better


Yes, We've come to the end of this feedback. overall, this was a solid submission Your submission reveals that you did take time to read through the lesson materials, followed the instructions and executed to your best of your ability. so that's good job!..thank you for submitting your assignment to the community I will mark this challenge as complete.

Hurray! we made it cytori! You have completed this challenge. congratulations!. I hope this feedback helps . Have a wonderful artistic journey. I hope you are doing well.

Thank you Cytori.

Next Steps:

  1. feel free to move onto lesson 2

  2. provide some time for your warm ups at the beginning of your drawing session.

thank you

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6:30 AM, Friday August 20th 2021

Hi chiran,

thank you so much for such a detailed, long and informative critique, it really helped me a lot and I'll incorporate the critiques in my warmup.

My health is all better now. It was a one time thing luckily, but I couldn't do anything for a little more than a week and when I got better I had to catch up on work first and didn't have time for DaB.

3:40 PM, Friday August 20th 2021

great to know cytori.

I'm glad that you found my critique helpful.

good luck on the future lesson.

thanks for your time and effort in responding to my feedback

have a great day!

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