Lesson 4: Applying Construction to Insects and Arachnids

9:21 PM, Tuesday October 25th 2022

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hello. I was having a bit of trouble with the detailing and shadows. i think on the beetle it turned out fairly well despite many mistakes. i felt like i was able to grasp the idea of form and texture. the mantidfly was... hard. on the 2nd detailed version. during the construction i felt it was going pretty well and i liked the form on the carapace.. but once started trying to apply csst shadows i got a little lost.

also, not totally understanding the squiggly black marks that seem to indicate reflection, such as the ones i used arbitrarily on the bees thorax. could you direct me to clear instructions on thse? I'm sure I missed them somewhere.

anyway, i thought I may re do some of thrse assignments bc i really want to understand the minimal "shading" or rendering techniques used here, but i will wait for your verdict.

would now be a good time to do the texture challenge or should i move to cylinders? thank you

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7:53 PM, Friday October 28th 2022

Starting with your organic forms with contour curves, there are a few points I want to call out:

  • Firstly, it seems you did one page of contour ellipses, though the assignment was for both to be contour curves. Not a huge problem, but it does suggest that you may want to be more attentive when reading through the instructions.

  • Be sure to focus as much as you can on adhering to the characteristics of simple sausages. You are generally keeping the forms simple, but you tend to have ends that are more stretched out into ellipsoid shapes, and a midsection that widens slightly, instead of aiming for circular ends of equal size, connected by a tube of a consistent width.

  • Keep in mind that the degree of the contour lines corresponds to the orientation of the given cross-section, relative to the viewer. I'm seeing a lot of cases where you've got a given sausage oriented such that it's flowing across our field of view from one side to the other, where you've used wider contour lines than you should, as we see here. Those should be much narrower (though of course they should get wider as they move away from the viewer as well). I recommend that you review the Lesson 1 video on ellipses where this concept is described further.

  • In many of these, your contour curves appear to not quite curve enough to wrap around the given form. There are cases where you're doing it right, but it's definitely something you're bouncing back and forth with. Give these notes a read, and be sure to regularly overshoot those curves as described there, as it can help with this a great deal.

Continuing onto your insect constructions, by and large you're handling these quite well. Normally in my critiques in this lesson, I encourage students to focus always on taking actions in 3D space - in other words, understanding how the things they're adding exist in 3D space, and drawing them in such a way that they respect and reinforce the illusion that the existing structure is similarly three dimensional, as opposed to taking actions in 2D space, like merely altering the silhouettes of the existing forms (as we see here where we cut into those silhouettes, as well as extending off them with partial shapes). For the most part however, you have held to this principle quite well on your own, save for a couple little places that don't really bear mentioning.

That said, I do want to provide you with the same diagrams I do when I explain this concept, to ensure that you're benefitting from the same resources - in the past there have been cases where a student demonstrated understanding of a concept, but because I neglected to provide the resources those who were running into issues, those issues arose further down the line.

  • As we generally build up our constructions by adding new forms to the existing structure, taking the time to think through how we go about designing the silhouettes of those new forms is important, especially in cases where we need to establish how they wrap around that existing structure, as explained here. In essence, reserving inward curves and sharp corners for establishing how different forms press up against one another, and reserving simpler outward curves and softer corners where no such contact is made, helps create the illusion that one form wraps around another.

  • Construction of relatively simple-seeming, small structures can be more involved than many students expect - for example, here's a demo of an ant's head.

I also encourage you to avail yourself of the "informal" demos here if you haven't already - the lobster and shrimp demos in particular are the strongest examples of this kind of approach we've got. As my overhaul of the course demo content reaches this far, I intend to replace everything with demos of this nature, but for the time being, these are the strongest representations of this more concrete approach to construction - where every form is complete, fully self-enclosed, and designed to establish its relationship with the existing structure - that we've got. It'll be improved as I'm able to progress more with the overhaul, but of course I'm working against a continuous flow of incoming homework submissions, that certainly slow that process down. Fortunately, I address any and all relevant changes in the feedback I provide for official critique submissions, so as long as you are attentive to the explanations provided in these critiques, you should be able to navigate through the inconsistencies. Just be sure to keep what I mention here in my critiques in mind, and even consider taking notes of such things so you can reference the mmore easily.

Moving on, I can see that you're making a notable effort to employ the sausage method when building up your insects' legs, although not always adhering to its requirements as necessary. There are a lot of cases where I can see that you're employing ellipses rather than sausage shapes, along with others where you similarly don't quite stick to the characteristics of simple sausages. Ultimately sausages can be quite challenging to capture, especially when they get skinnier - but I am seeing signs that you may need to refresh your memory on those requirements. Similarly, I'm seeing cases where you're either neglecting to draw the contour line necessary to define the joint between such sausage segments, and cases where you do attempt to draw such a contour line, but place it outside of the overlap between them as we see here. In general, be sure to review the use of this technique further.

The key to keep in mind here is that the sausage method is not about capturing the legs precisely as they are - it is about laying in a base structure or armature that captures both the solidity and the gestural flow of a limb in equal measure, where the majority of other techniques lean too far to one side, either looking solid and stiff or gestural but flat. Once in place, we can then build on top of this base structure with more additional forms as shown here, here, in this ant leg, and even here in the context of a dog's leg (because this technique is still to be used throughout the next lesson as well). Just make sure you start out with the sausages, precisely as the steps are laid out in that diagram.

Now, the last thing I wanted to discuss is related to your questions - which you can rest assured, I haven't ignored - but I didn't want to get into it until the rest of the critique was established. To put it simply, when doing your drawings for this course, you should not be applying any form shading to your constructions, as noted here. This is another one of those things that is represented rather inconsistently in the demos - since it's a shift I've made in the last few years as we've further developed the specific approach to texture we're employing in order to push the focus on 3D spatial understanding above all else.

I actually did explain this this in my critique of your Lesson 3 work, so I won't repeat it here - rather, I suspect that you may have forgotten those points, and then may have gotten further confused by the inconsistencies in the older demonstrations. So, I encourage you to go back and read through the feedback you received in the last lesson, and apply it more staunchly going forward.

Anyway, before I mark this lesson as complete, I do think it will be in your best interest to take another swing at the organic forms with contour curves.

Next Steps:

Please submit one more page of organic forms with contour curves.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
12:50 AM, Tuesday November 1st 2022
edited at 12:53 AM, Nov 1st 2022

hello, and thank you for the critique.

I'm a little confused because I did actually complete and upload 2 pages of contours. one with full elipses and one with just the visible contours. I do think I paid attention in that regard.

i urge you to look at that original imgur album again. I inspected it after reading your critique, and I found there to be two pages. maybe you scrolled past it?

here is a link to that original album which does actually contain 2 pages. incase you lost it. i dont think this is anecdotal bc i dont think you can add a photo thru edit? I suppose it's neither here nor there anymore though

https://imgur.com/a/mpHIWOz

regardless, i made another page per request and I did find that I was able to learn more, so thank you. here is that album.

https://imgur.com/a/Ztm4L0H

as far as the shading, the semantics were an error on my part. what i meant by shading was colloquial, referring to the sort of form rendering that was demonstrated in lesson 2 and 3, eg the cast shadows meant to convey form and not actually indicate a light source. I was trying to use such technique but was finding myself improperly placing "shadows" without properly eluding to the form. I did also notice that this level of detail was elective and was not a requirement. however, as I noted, I really enjoy being able to convey the shape without getting into the actual lighting. but yes, i do think i was also a little encouraged by not only your videos, but various youtube videos from students dated back as far as I think 2017? cant remember exactly, but they were old, and the insect drawings i saw by some of these students using the shading really made me feel like I wasn't doing enough.

*edit forgot to mention, there's the new page and that 7th sausage turned out really wonky! I think I just ran out of roo m. i just wanted to acknowledge that it was not good, and it was tapered etc.

*I was struggling to represent the shape with those contours but I think I improved a little? i took heed of the instructions and aligned to minor axis and overshot the lines.

*happy to redo it , if necessary. thank you

edited at 12:53 AM, Nov 1st 2022
5:07 PM, Wednesday November 2nd 2022

I think you may have misread my original feedback. If you look at the homework assignment here, you'll note that it asks for two pages of organic forms with contour curves. Not one page of contour curves, one page of contour ellipses. While I certainly do make mistakes on occasion, please be sure to double check what I'm saying against the assignment instead of barreling ahead with the assumption that I am incorrect.

Also, keep in mind that as discussed in Lesson 0, it's best you not include your own feedback/analysis of your work, except when it pertains to specific questions you'd like to ask.

As to your organic forms with contour curves:

  • I'm seeing some subtle improvement in terms of pushing to focus on the characteristics of simple sausages - there are more cases where your ends are more circularly shaped, although there are still cases where they're more stretched out, as we can see here so be sure to keep an eye on that.

  • Your contour lines are much better - still room for improvement, but definitely heading in the right direction.

  • You may not be aware, but you're not quite drawing through your ellipses two full times before lifting your pen, so be more attentive to that.

  • It appears that where your previous attempt at this exercise used the ellipses at the ends of the sausages correctly (in that you were only placing them on the ends that were established as being oriented towards the viewer), here you appear to have placed them on every end, indiscriminately, which is incorrect as it results in cases like this where the contour curve immediately preceding it tells us that the end is pointing away from the viewer. The ellipse is no different from the other contour lines - it's just that since that end is facing us head-on, we can see the whole way around the contour line, seeing a full ellipse, instead of just a partial curve. This diagram shows a variety of ways a sausage can be interpreted based on its contour lines - pay special attention to the relationship between the ellipses on some of the ends, and the contour curve preceding it, specifically that they don't contradict one another.

In regards to the shading point, I'm somewhat unclear on what you mean, as the wording is a bit self-contradictory.

what i meant by shading was colloquial, referring to the sort of form rendering that was demonstrated in lesson 2 and 3, eg the cast shadows meant to convey form and not actually indicate a light source.

"Form rendering" and "form shading" refer to roughly the same thing (where a surface gets lighter or darker based on its orientation in space, as it turns towards or away from the light source). We can see an example of it in this mantidfly, specifically here on its arms.

Conversely, cast shadows relate to where we have one form blocking the light from reaching the surface of another - and so it casts a shadow upon the other surface, with the shadow's own shape defining the relationship between the form casting it, and the surface receiving it. We can see this on this wasp where the thorax casts a shadow upon the legs beneath it.

In fairness to you, the demonstrations are a bit conflicting in this regard - as the course has evolved a great deal since its inception as I developed a stronger grasp of the material I was explaining, my own understanding of it, and how to convey it in a manner that would best benefit the students. So, you can still see shading in some of the demos (like the scorpion one for example), so when it comes to official critique I remind students where I can that it's still best not to include any form shading (which again - is the same thing as rendering) for their drawings in this course, as mentioned in Lesson 2. To the same end, I would also ignore the patterning/local colours on your reference images (like the black areas on the wasp's abdomen).

All of these smaller contradictions are going to be resolved as I work through the overhaul, but that's progressing quite slowly, as it is against the current of incoming homework submissions.

Now, I am going to mark this lesson as complete. Just be sure to keep what I've mentioned here in mind going forward.

Next Steps:

Move onto Lesson 5.

This critique marks this lesson as complete.
6:54 PM, Wednesday November 2nd 2022

I did actually defer to what i thought was the homework requirements. here's what happened : you said I missed a page, I said huh, I looked at the lesson 4 hmework and then clicked on the link saying "2 pages of contours" and it took me to the other lesson instructions and i scrolled down to the bottom to see the homework example and saw two pages, one of elipses one of curves.

this was the mistake i made both times.. so yes I did perhaps go too fast by clicking the link to provide me examples, without reading the link, but i think its an honest mistake.

I was not trying to offend you or assert myself or anything by correcting you. I had thoroughly evaluated the situation by double checking my imgur upload and then also checking the homework examples, and truly beleived you had made a very minor error. i really didnt think less of you for it, or intend to be insolent.

as far as the shading and rendering, I am aware these two terms are synonymous. this whole shading discussion between us is a semantic nightmare and I want to let it die now lol. I am studying other fundamentals that will provide to me rendering concepts.

anyway, i really didnt mean to be abrasive. I really appreciate you and the feedback.

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