Am I doing this right?

8:13 PM, Tuesday September 21st 2021

Hello! I have two questions: one for the 250 box challenge and one for my practice outside drawabox.

https://imgur.com/a/yi0LAKc

I got a helpful advice from discord: to compare the angles of each line in a set of parallels. But I couldn't do that with the naked eye, so I picked up the habit of placing my pen parallel to the existing line and then moving it to the starting point of the line I am about to draw. This helps me avoid the more severe errors like lines diverging or converging way too fast. But now I worry that this is no different than using a ruler, defeating the purpose of the challenge. The link has boxes I made this way. What do you think? Is it ok or should I stop because I'm effectively cheating and not getting better?

Besides drawabox I'm also trying to learn figure drawing but it's not going that well.

https://imgur.com/a/LOS71Lw

Before this I tried practicing heads but I felt like I wasn't improving so I switched to figure. And now again it feels like I'm messing around not learning anything. Honestly it's easier to work on drawabox than practice on my own. It's not about the dificulty, it's about the structure: the idea that if I finish this challenge/excercise I'll get something out of it, I'll get better. But on my own I create a makeshift process with no criteria, no way of knowing if it's helping or if I'm wasting time. So drawing on my own doesn't feel all that great and at the end of the day if I've worked on drawabox I call it a win. As a result I rarely practice my figure drawing with each session lasting an hour or so.

So at first I wanted to learn to draw these stick figures to get comfortable with the shape and proportions. I started with reference photos from the front in a simple pose. Then I felt like I wasn't getting anywhere so I looked for more 'complicated' poses but that only helped to remind me that I'm still uncomfortable with perspective. So I switched back to simpe poses and in order to challenge myself I decided to add the details. And that kept coming out awful because there are so many muscles and so much detail and all I know are lines for the silhouette and contours and then I thought : 'you have to learn shading, you can't do this without shading' but if I'm honest shading is a bit intimidating and I'd rather learn it through drawabox. So yeah, any thoughts or advice? Is what I'm doing fine or do I need to change something?

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4:43 AM, Wednesday September 22nd 2021

hey man, im in a similar position too but we can do 10 things at one time so, we do on thing at a time and then move on to next one.

so i would say do figure drawing for as long as you can without adding contour lines, checkout proko's figure drawing on youtube, love life drawing on youtube and https://www.proko.com/course/figure-drawing-fundamentals/overview,

stan is a good master at what he does, his courses are pricey but worthful.

so, try it out if u want, some stuff is free, some paid.

3:16 PM, Thursday September 23rd 2021

I've actually watched both the proko figure drawing course and love life drawing . Sorry I wasn't really asking for lessons but a way to judge lessons, to make sure that I am improving. Like how drawabox has an explanation for each exercise.

Take lovelifedrawing for example: up to lesson 8 its about making a complicated stick figure and then lesson 9 :draw the rest of the picture. A hyperbole sure but there is still a huge gap in skill there. I think maybe its because I haven't practiced the other lessons enough but I don't see how those are preparing me for this. I have similar questions about proko.

Basically I worry that these courses assume I have a certain degree of skill so it's like I skip a step and I am now wasting my time.

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2:05 AM, Thursday September 23rd 2021
edited at 4:39 AM, Sep 23rd 2021

Hello there, i'm by no means an expert but I also experienced the same thing as you; where learning from draw a box is easier than learning on my own i was also learning figure drawing at the same time as draw a box. this is what I did: draw a lot of gesture drawing as exercises, i swear it really helps in observing through your naked eye. In 30 minutes you can draw 20+ sketches. Then critique after every page of sketch. A good figure drawing tells motion, is exaggerated, the center of axis follows the spine, the spine and legs are somehow connected. There is balance, and the body should be asymmetrical. Then you can proceed to actual figure drawing, learnings in draw a box can be applied in figure drawing actually. Try to see the shapes of the human figure, it it's still hard for you the 250 box challenge can really help, and also drawing from real life especially still life objects- drawing things around my house greatly helps improve my observations through naked eye, like a lot. draw a box helped me understand how form sits in space and a little perspective. As for checking my own figure drawings? I watch video critiques of Proko and review the books/pictures i've read/saw on figure drawing.

As for your way of approaching 250 box challenge that's really useful, your technique of placing your pen parallel to the existing line is not completely breaking the purpose of mark making. maybe you could use it to mark and place dots, as long as you still ghost your lines. no problem with that. and it definitely didn't defeat the purpose of challenge and it's not cheating. My tip in drawing boxes is yes one of it is compare the angles of each line in a set of parallels. 2. observe your first 3 "Y" lines on where they are going and ghost the lines parallel to them, after, place a dot to mark where the line should end. 3. always rotate your paper and observe the box in different angles.

and before you learn shading, learn how shapes sit in 3D space first, as this could be easier.

so in summary for my learning draw a box-gesture-figure-still life. after each mistake, analyze critique and draw again. You should also draw what ever you want so that you won't get burned out easily.

Remember: shapes, proportion, perspective, gesture--->colors,values, shading-->composition,anatomy,technique

edited at 4:39 AM, Sep 23rd 2021
7:29 PM, Saturday September 25th 2021

Thanks, I've already started gesture drawing from reference and I'll soon pick up still life drawing.

And I'm trying to limit how much I use my pen to figure a line's angle, as I think it's something my eyes should be learning. Thanks for the feed back

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10:30 AM, Wednesday September 22nd 2021

For figure drawing a lot of people recommend Micheal Hamptons book. It is very good but doesn't explain things to the beginner. However I recently came across his lectures on youtube and they really helped. Might be worth a try.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHNinW31ADYz1SRrYuSKPBA/videos

Remember, none of this is easy. Breaking through the resistance is difficult but with enough purposeful practice you will see progress. It tends to require focus with purposeful practice on one aspect for a bit then put it aside and focus on something else. Rinse and repeat.

As for the pen/ruler thing. Not quite the same as using a ruler if you are not using it draw but pushing yourself to judge by eye only should be the objective.

Hope this helps.

4:22 PM, Thursday September 23rd 2021

Lol just my luck he deleted the videos overnight it seems.

At this point I am aware that this is a hard process, but what makes it harder is constantly second guessing "is this the right course", "do I need to learn something else first" , "am i doing this right".

https://imgur.com/a/qaMnDyw

Take my heads for example. I used the loomis method from proko and focused on one angle. Yet I feel like I could create a thousand similar heads and still be bad at it, so I switched to figure after a week or two. I'm worried I focus on all the wrong things and wasting time. How can I tell if I am or not.

7:57 PM, Thursday September 23rd 2021

Well sometimes's google is your friend ;-)

He does have an official channel on youtube but they are mainly silent demos rather than lectures but they may help.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgPj2jSpcJaN6C5xMi8ohfg/videos

Without having a real teacher who can give you feedback then knowing if you are doing it right or not is always going to be a problem. You just have to use your best judgement and don't get bogged down second guessing. Just keep trying.

Looking at your skulls I would say you are being far too deliberate in your line making here. Unlike drawabox you need to be more sketchy and loose initially. Do them with a regular pencil, or even better a col-erase blue pencil. Watch a few animators work, they always start loose with their design and then refine when they have something they like.

This is an alternative channel which I have only just discovered and it is very, very good.

https://www.youtube.com/user/PhilsDesignCorner/videos

You will see some of this type of loose sketching here.

6:49 PM, Saturday September 25th 2021

I haven't looked into the channels yet but your advise helps a lot, thank you

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