250 Box Challenge

2:56 PM, Monday August 2nd 2021

250 Box Challenge - Google Drive

250 Box Challenge - Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/199LuxbW0y9KzDlM_4Qe1_vtfNM85aFmD?usp=sharing

I took a long time, but I am done. I hope my perspective has improved, but I often felt like there wasn't much visible change. I could tell what was going wrong once I extended my parallel lines (and sometimes even while drawing the boxes; that's what the little frowny faces mean) but I could never quite figure out what to do differently to improve it.

Just a heads up, some of my outer lines are overly thick because I was filling in the space between a line and an attempt to draw over it for thickness. I stopped doing it later on, and I honestly don't know which is considered correct, but that's what happened if you ever wind up wondering what you're looking at.

As ever, I'd be very grateful for any feedback.

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6:52 AM, Wednesday August 4th 2021

By observing your work I can say that your spatial reasoning had much improved compared to earlier boxes and yes repeating your lines( or even correcting them ) is mistake. you need to avoid that and you said you stopped it later on so thats good job.just remember to keep it subtle while adding line weight to the body of the box.Alrighty! lets roll the intro..

Good to see you mechacatfish!I'm chiran and I'm here to give my insights on your work.I'll try my best to provide helpful analysis of your work by breaking down into three parts.

Note: My observations are mainly based on elodin's guide.

before we get started, these are the name given specifically because of their order and to represent the specific section of the boxes

  1. Newbies - ( 1-100 boxes) 2. Intermediates - (101-200 boxes) and 3. pros - ( 201- 250 boxes)

This feedback will consists of three parts. to know more about these parts, lets go!

PART 1: THE PRAISES ( The job you did well):

  • first thing is Identifying your mistakes; great job! for checking your mistakes by extending the 3 sets of lines away from the viewer. The major improvements can be seen in your intermediates and pros because of checking your mistakes,.

  • second is your line work; your lines are smooth, consistent and sometimes lacks confidence in execution resulting in a wobbly lines.although they are in minority, you should watch out for next time.

  • while line weight and hatching are optional in this challenge, I'm glad to see that you are beginning to build the sense of form ( in this case box) using these tools. so good job!

  • I'm glad that you did take time to construct various types of boxes with different orientation, proportion and foreshortening throughout this challenge without any similar orientation or same type of boxes.

You got some pretty decent amount of convergence on the intermediates and pros so good job on that too!.

PART 2: WHERE IT WENT SLIGHTLY OFF: (WHERE YOU SHOULD KEEP AN EYE ON) ( AND NO WORRIES PART)

  • sometimes you did seem to prioritize accuracy over confidence resulting in lines that are wobbly and uneven( also this issue can also be seen on hatching lines).they got better in later boxes.

  • Hatching lines should not be curved( we can see on pages 7,12,16 and 19). I'm not fussing over it, but I'm just mentioning here that these should be avoided in the future.

  • while you have definitely improved through the challenge,there are times where some of the set of lines converges at a faster rates than the others resulting in converging in pairs. This issue should also be remembered while constructing your boxes in your warm ups.

  • you have some issues with the diverging lines, that means some lines are diverging instead of converging to a specific Vanishing point.

  • It's completely and totally normal to have the back corner line slightly off compared to the rest. you should try and work on those next time.I will provide some info at the end so that you can know what you need to do in order to improve.

PART 3 :TO AVOID FROWNY FACES AND TO MAKE HAPPY FACES, THESE ARE THE KEY THINGS TO REMEMBER IN ORDER TO IMPROVE:

  • I would like you to make a note on speed of drawing your lines.when to increase the speed and when to slow down?-If the lines came out dark, wobbly, contains subtle S curve and undershooted then increasing the speed of drawing your lines can reduce these issues. however if the lines are overshooting more and the flow of ink in your pen is inconsistent then its advisable to reduce the speed and try to lift the pen off the page when reaching the end dot.

  • also try and experiment with different speed of drawing your lines from point A to point B during your warm up session and opt for the smooth and consistent ones. Increasing the speed of execution can really help in reducing wobbly lines

  • one thing to mention here related to diverging lines : according to the rule of perspective; All the parallel line in the 3D world( real world) will appear to converge to a specific VP on a 2d page. so what we can say is ,our parallel lines should always converge as a set not in pairs and they will never diverge from the VP as this will broke the rule of perspective.

So next time, instead of drawing parallel lines in the boxes, mention your conscious mind that the parallel lines in the 3d world of box will always converge to a specific vp( vanishing point). these vps can either be staying inside the page ( creating more dramatic boxes)or outside of it ( creating shallow boxes) https://imgur.com/mWLlnYl

  • Each individual lines should be planned and ghosted before executing your marks, this will also applies to super imposed lines and hatching lines as well. and always lines should flow smoothly,consistently and confidently from point A to point B ( from starting to end point) without much hesitation in execution

  • THE INNER CORNER PARADOX: In this challenge, we are estimating where our lines going to converge to a point. as we are humans, it is almost impossible to perfectly estimate where our lines will going to converge thereby resulting in an error. this error will continue to accumulate as we construct the box freely rotated in space. finally this accumulated error will be thrown to the back corner. So its pretty normal to have the inner back corner come out pretty off.

I want to take a look at this info here;https://i.imgur.com/8PqQLE0.png

In this image we can know that how each line will behave relating to the position from its neighbouring edges and the VP.So we can arrive at the conclusion that, If the distance between the internal edges and external edges gets reduce more and more they will eventually become parallel to one and another. Alternatively If the distance between the internal corner and the external grow more and more the internal line will also converge.you can also try and start from the back corner if the box is narrower.https://imgur.com/a/DHlA3Jh

these diagram can be pretty hard to understand at first, so if you don't understand it, don't get frustrated, keep reading it from time to time while practicing regularly, and it will click eventually.

MY POINT OF VIEW:

we all know, this challenge was very intimidating because of constructing 250 boxes arbitrarily rotated in 3d and yet you did a great job by keeping persistent till the end with lots of effort, focus, energy and time so hats off for that.

also never forget to incorporate these mentioned points in your regular warm ups. construct 1-2 boxes daily as a warm up .after that I'm pretty confident that your frowning face boes will gradually convert into happy face.

Yes, We've come to the end of this feedback. overall, this was a solid submission Your submission reveals that you did take time to read through the lesson materials, followed the instructions and executed to your best of your ability. so that's good job!..thank you for submitting your assignment to the community I will mark this challenge as complete.

Awesome! You have completed this challenge. congratulations!. I hope this feedback helps . Have a wonderful journey!

thank you, mechacatfish!

Next Steps:

what next?

1.well fell free to move on to lesson 2

2.Include some ghosted line exercises into your daily warm up pool and make sure to experiment with different types of speed of execution.mention your conscious mind to make confidence as the first priority

  1. Having any questions related to the exercise?-feel free to reach us out at draw a box discord server. we will be happy to help
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3:43 PM, Wednesday August 4th 2021

Hi, Chiran. Thank you for providing such thorough and helpful feedback. I'll be sure to bear everything you've said in mind, and to work box contruction into my warmups.

6:59 AM, Thursday August 5th 2021

thank you so much mecha! for responding to my feedback.I'm glad that you found it helpful.

and be sure to balance it with 50% rule i.e drawing for the sake of fun.In lesson 2 there are some exercises which may cause burn out so yeah half of your drawing time should be provided for fun also.

Good luck with your boxes.

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