250 Cylinder Challenge

4:09 PM, Tuesday November 2nd 2021

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Really mixed opinions on this lesson and what I got out of doing it;

Just the ellipse parts were pretty good. It was immediately clear what I was doing wrong, and I could tell how to improve just after a few ellipses. Good stuff.

The ellipses-in-boxes part? Initially fun, then it became an uneducative and exhausting slog halfway through where I honestly felt like i was wasting my time.

I've written a few times where the problem comes up for me on the pages already, but it's best if I make it clear: I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong in the ellipses-in-boxes. If I aligned my ellipses to the minor axis, they can't connect to all the contact points on the sides of the boxes properly. Likewise, if I draw ellipses in the boxes that DO have properly aligned contacts points, the sides of the ellipse become skewered and unrealistic, meaning the ellipse don't align to the vanishing points.

I can't wait to get feedback for this one, because it's unfortunately been the worst lesson in an otherwise fantastic course so far for me.

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10:05 PM, Wednesday November 3rd 2021

So unfortunately, my critique is going to be something of a mirror image of your own self-assessment, and in that spirit, I think I'm going to start my critiquing your cylinders in boxes first.

Despite your worries, you mostly did a great job at this exercise, and the reason for your confusion is that you simply didn't fully understand what it was for. This was mentioned in the video for the challenge (as well as here in the notes), but it's not a big deal that you missed it. What's important is that despite your confusion and uncertainty, you followed the instructions to the letter, and as a result, you did the exercise correctly.

This exercise is really all about helping develop students' understanding of how to construct boxes which feature two opposite faces which are proportionally square, regardless of how the form is oriented in space - it's actually much more about the boxes themselves, rather than the cylinders. We do this not by memorizing every possible configuration, but rather by continuing to develop your subconscious understanding of space through repetition, and through analysis (by way of the line extensions).

Where the box challenge's line extensions helped to develop a stronger sense of how to achieve more consistent convergences in our lines, here we add three more lines for each ellipse: the minor axis, and the two contact point lines. In checking how far off these are from converging towards the box's own vanishing points, we can see how far off we were from having the ellipse represent a circle in 3D space, and in turn how far off we were from having the plane that encloses it from representing a square. From there, we modify our approach (that is, modify how we draw the boxes), and try again.

There are some places where your misunderstanding of this threw you off - for example, on this page, you were no doubt frustrated with the fact that your ellipses' extensions weren't lining up with the criteria of that which represents a circle in 3D space, so you started drawing them independently of the box's own proportions. This resulted in your extensions behaving better, but they effectively disconnected the analysis from the box itself, so wasn't too helpful in the context of this exercise. Fortunately you switched back to the correct approach after that, and held to it throughout.

There were still some that were way off in terms of their proportions (like cylinder 34 on this page), but as you progressed through the set, your proportions did indeed get better and better, and I am fairly pleased with how it all turned out. You may not be entirely aware of how your work has progressed (probably because you spent most of it unpleasantly confused as to what this was all meant to achieve), but that didn't stop you from benefiting from it.

Now, unfortunately the first section of the challenge - the cylinders around arbitrary minor axes - was not quite so well done. There are aspects of it that are coming along well, of course. Your ellipses are coming along nicely, in terms of the confidence of their execution and the evenness of their shapes, though there is still a touch of hesitation so keep pushing yourself to employ the ghosting method (to avoid second-guessing yourself during the execution of the mark), and also be sure to engage your whole arm from the shoulder while drawing each ellipse. You're also doing a good job of checking the alignment of your ellipses by marking the true minor axis line in blue. All of that is coming along well.

The big issue however comes from the fact that aside from the very first page, you ended up actively trying to eliminate the convergence of your cylinders' side edges, effectively putting that vanishing point at infinity. This unfortunately is fundamentally incorrect - the position of the vanishing point is determined by the orientation of the lines it governs in space. It will only go to infinity, resulting in no actual convergence on the page, when the given set of lines runs perpendicular to the viewer's angle of sight (rather than slanting towards or away from the viewer through the depth of the scene). This means that the cylinder itself would have to be aligned in a relatively specific manner each time. Given that this challenge has us rotating our cylinders freely in 3D space, we can pretty much assume that this perfect of an alignment would not occur, and that we should always consider some amount of convergence for those side edges.

This lack of convergence also messed with the impression of foreshortening that was portrayed in these cylinders. As requested here in the assignment section, I did want students to play with a lot of variety throughout the set, ranging from dramatic to shallow (though still non-zero) foreshortening. Foreshortening itself manifests in our drawings in two distinct ways - there's the degree shift, which you generally handled just fine (having the ellipses get wider as we slide farther away along the length of the cylinder), and there's the scale shift (which is a direct result of the convergence of those side edges, resulting in the far end being smaller in overall scale than the end closer to the viewer).

When these two shifts occur independently of one another - for example, having the far end be much wider, but not any different in scale, or vice versa - the viewer can pick up on this as a general sense of the cylinder being "off", even if they don't know exactly why. It occurs because one of the shifts tells the viewer there's lots of foreshortening (suggesting that more of the length of the cylinder is hidden in the 'depth' dimension of the scene), and the other one tells them that there's minimal foreshortening, and therefore they're more or less seeing the entire length of the cylinder. This is a contradiction, making it difficult to pin down the cylinder's length and orientation in 3D space.

So, to put it simply, by forgetting to vary your foreshortening, and by actively trying to avoid the difficulty of dealing with your vanishing point, you ended up side stepping a major aspect of this challenge. I can fortunately say that based on your cylinders in boxes, you are entirely capable of handling your vanishing points and foreshortening very effectively. This is simply one of those cases where something slips our mind, or we miss something important, and it takes us somewhat in the wrong direction.

In order to address this, I'm going to ask for some revisions - it crossed my mind to have you redo that entire section of the challenge, but I don't think that'll be necessary. You'll find the revisions assigned below.

Next Steps:

Please submit an additional 50 cylinders around arbitrary minor axes.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
12:49 PM, Monday November 8th 2021

Here's the extra 50 cylinder around arbitrary minor axis(es?).

I can definitely feel it's been a while since I've used my shoulder to draw ellipses, but it feels great to get into the rhythm.

Also, looking at ellipses 9 and 32, I'm curious: Is there a limit to how much you can foreshorten?

The illusion of foreshortening seems less effective on these two ellipses in particular, so it caught my attention a little.

5:42 PM, Monday November 8th 2021

This is looking much better! Your ellipses are confident and smooth, your linework is precise, and you've done a great job of varying the rates of foreshortening here.

As to your question there, 9 and 32 are definitely good examples of really extreme foreshortening - but I wouldn't say exactly that there's inherently a "limit" to how much foreshortening can be applied. Rather, there's a few things to consider:

  • As we get towards the extremes of foreshortening - for example, where that far end ellipse is already very wide, and doesn't have too much more room to actually get wider before it becomes a proper circle - the amount of visible change decreases, while the extreme nature of what it depicts increases. That is to say, smaller changes at these extremes will suggest big changes to the viewer. You can see this as a limit, but it's more of a limit in the mathematical sense - where we get closer and closer to an asymptote but never quite touch it was we continue to get closer to infinity.

  • Circling back to what the degree of the ellipse tells us is important too. The far end of both of these are almost completely circular, meaning that their orientation relative to the viewer is such that this cross-sectional slice is facing the viewer almost completely head-on. The only way for the closer end to be so dramatically narrower is for that cylinder itself to be so massively long that it ends up with an amount of distortion as we try to perceive it all at once. Alternatively, the cylinder itself could be smaller, but held very close to the viewer's eye (which has a similar impact). So it all circles back to the idea that foreshortening gets extreme when things are very big, or when they're very close. In other cases where we have shorter cylinders whose far end is facing the viewer head-on like this, we'd basically be telling the viewer that the vast majority of that cylinder's length exists in the depth of the scene, and therefore cannot be perceived directly on the page. This would mean that the closer end would, on the page, still be physically close to the far end, allowing for more of an overlap, and a similar degree to that far end. The fact that this cylinder would be coming straight at the viewer, is what would allow for such wide degrees in both.

I hope that helps clarify some things. As you continue to play around with cylinders on your own, that should also help further develop this understanding. Anyway, I'm pleased with your results here, so I'll go ahead and mark this challenge as complete.

Next Steps:

Feel free to move onto lesson 6.

This critique marks this lesson as complete.
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