How to help people who find DaB too boring or hard or irrelevant to what they want to do?

5:42 PM, Wednesday February 12th 2020

Disclaimer: I'm loving DaB. Just started the 250 box challenge -ominous music plays- but I truly believe that it's filling in some critical gaps in my own artistic foundation. Things that the self taught artist largely ignores on their journey >>; This is more commentary on the DaB community and how we can interact with each other, especially us people benefiting from the ability to do this for free.

I never know what to say to people who are struggling with various aspects of DaB. How do you emphasize the importance of fundamentals like DaB to someone who wants to go do other things? How do you tell if someone is throwing in the towel too soon versus people who just won't benefit that much from DaB?

So often I see the rabid rush to convince someone to just stick with it, to overwhelm them with testimonies, to desperately try to shove boxes and box-adjacent exercises down their throat. I do this too and I always kick myself afterwards about it. I don't want to put someone off of DaB forever by forcing it on them. But I also don't want someone to quit without giving it some thought. Maybe digital text-based formats aren't the best space to convince someone of these things? I'm not sure.

It's a really nuanced question and I'm certain there's other things that I'm forgetting that I want to say but I dunno man maybe y'all have some thoughts.

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7:57 PM, Wednesday February 12th 2020

I'd tell them to go and draw the stuff they really want and to come back when they again feel the need to improve further. That's what I ended up doing.

The need for DaB or any of the fundamentals won't ever go away. At worst they are only postponing the inevitable, or just quit drawing althogether. But that's kinda their decision to make, not your responsability.

12:59 PM, Thursday February 13th 2020

Super fair! That's probably the best advice, to just turn the 50% rule into the 100% rule. I think the reason why I haven't done that before is that they often express a desire to improve in a way that DaB could help but they want/need to find that help elsewhere.

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8:03 PM, Wednesday February 12th 2020

DaB is tough work, it takes a lot of motivation, and people really have to decide for themselves if they want to do it or not. We can try to encourage and motivate them, but if they really don't want to do this then I don't think there is too much we can do about it.

12:56 PM, Thursday February 13th 2020

Absolutely true. I guess I feel lost when trying to decide, in the moment, what to do when someone says they're giving up on DaB

My go to has been to say its ok if DaB isn't a good fit, that it can help if they stick with it, but if they're not paying for anything then the only thing they've "lost" is their time

2:58 AM, Saturday February 15th 2020

My general rule is to tell people that it does work, with examples of how it does (like before and after pictures) and if they still don't want to do it, then let them go. They might find those skills elsewhere, or even give up, but that's fine, we're not here to save people. They might also come back later when they're in the mindset where they've tried everything else and there's nothing to lose by trying. This was the case for me. I became aware of Drawabox in 2015/16 and decided I didn't need it and therefore didn't have time. In October 2017, I joined the Drawabox Discord server and finally got started in January 2018. It took me 3 years to realise I did need it, but what really helped was actually seeing other people improve.

6:21 PM, Saturday February 15th 2020

"its not our job to save people" that is so right

we have to let people make their own mistakes huh

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8:15 AM, Monday August 3rd 2020

im going to do it, but not submit anything. Its a worthwhile challenge

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11:27 PM, Friday March 1st 2024

As someone who is predominantly deaf, and a complete beginner, I am struggling with his videos. He talks in a monotone low voice and goes off on so many tangents, that it is really hard to follow. I cant seem to stay focused even for long enough to watch all the way through without going back and forth trying to figure out what he is saying and following along at the same time. I do have captions on, and it helps some, but I have to watch a few times so I can read once, then watch what he's doing, then back to reading, etc.

I am so new, that I know that I dont know what I should know and trying so hard to stay focused and not get flustered. I want to keep going, but really struggling at this point. It doesn't help with the negative head talk as well. Combating that with common sense - I cant judge my beginning by other people's middles or ends. I have never drawn much of anything, and taking this course to learn to sketch because I want to begin to keep an art/botanical journal and do some artwork for personal consumption. I suppose the course itself is a self-care in that it is incredibly reflective on yourself.

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