Lesson 3: Applying Construction to Plants

8:01 AM, Wednesday January 4th 2023

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3:39 PM, Saturday January 7th 2023
edited at 9:43 PM, Jan 7th 2023

Hello Newquest, I'm ThatOneMushroomGuy and I'll be the TA handling your critique today.

Arrows

Starting with your arrows they're looking quite smooth due to the confidence which they're drawn, this helps push the feeling of fluidity which arrows have as they move through the world. You're making good use of the depth of the page with your use of perspective.

Sometimes the hatching in your arrows is incorrectly placed, which contradicts the illusion of depth you attempt to create.

  • Perspective works by having objects appear bigger when closer to the viewer and smaller when further away, even if they're the exact same size. Following this logic, an object of consistent size moving through space will have the segments that are closer to the viewer bigger, and segments that are further away should gradually get smaller. In that same vein, your shading should be added to the smaller arrow segment, as adding it to the bigger side of the arrow would contradict the illusion of perspective.

After you finish your arrow, don't forget to add lineweight on top of the overlaps, in order to reinforce their depth.

Leaves

Moving on to your leaves, there are a couple of things that should be addressed here, as some of your leaves are looking okay, but others have a couple of issues present.

For example, you didn't use the leaf construction method for this structure, which either suggests that you weren't following instructions as closely as they ought to be followed, or that you were rushing to get this page done.

Regardless of the reason, make sure to get through these exercises in the pace that is most comfortable to you, these exercises are supposed to be a metric of the best of your current ability and by rushing and not following these steps, you're bringing down the quality of your work.

Remember to keep tight and specific relationship between your phases of construction, in this leaf you leave one of the ends of your structure open ended, when the outer edges should connect to the flow line. Leaving your leaf structures open ended like this leaves the relationships between their forms vague, which hurts the solidity of the construction, and only serves to remind the viewer that they're looking at marks on a flat page, instead of looking through a window into a 3D world.

Your addition of edge detail is good for the most part, although there are a couple of cases where it seems you may have zigzagged your edge detail. Avoid this as much as possible.

While it's generally better to use additive construction whenever possible, when using subtractive construction is unavoidable, like cutting back into your leaves, it's good to keep these notes in mind.

You're moving in the right direction with your application of texture to your leaves, although there are a couple of cases where you rely a bit more on explicit texturing, or fill in large areas of black that cannot be cast shadows, you can find here some extra notes on adding texture to your leaves.

Branches

For your branches they're coming along quite decently as you generally follow the instructions for the exercise, although I have noticed that in a couple of places it seems you started you next extension line at the previous midway point between ellipses.

Remember how branches should be approached, by having your segment start at the first ellipse point, extending it past the second ellipse and extending it fully to the halfway point to the third ellipse, once that's done you'll start a new segment, making sure to place your pen at the second ellipse point and repeat the pattern until your branch is complete. This helps us maintain control of our marks and allows for a healthy overlap between them, which helps to achieve a smoother, more seamless transition between lines.

Some of your ellipses are getting a bit too loose, remember that ideally you should be drawing through your ellipses only twice.

Plant Construction Section

Now let's talk about your plant constructions, it's great to see that you have followed and tried your hands at all of the demos, that undoubtedly shows a great desire to learn, but don't forget to follow the instructions as they are written. You've submitted 13 pages of plant constructions, when the requested amount was 8.

The reason Drawabox critiques are able to be so cheap is by offloading as much responsibility as possible on the student, as well as having a strict exercise list that all students should abide to, this includes the amount of exercise pages, it's not necessary to submit your attempts at the demos in your submission, although if you desire to do so, make sure it's less than half of your homework pages.

Moving on your homework pages are looking decent, you're starting to grasp the concepts this lesson seeks to teach and it's showing through in your work, however there are a couple of issues holding you back from your full potential.

The first one is skipping construction steps, in your first two plant constructions as well as in this construction you have branch-like structures, but you don't draw a minor axis for them, which causes your ellipses to get misaligned, and leaves the relationships between your forms undefined such as in here, where it's unclear how the branch parts relate to one another.

You're also not making use of the forking branches method introduced previously in the lesson material.

Another example of you skipping steps, which leads me to believe you might in some level, be rushing your homework is that you're zigzagging your edge detail quite often, which hurts the solidity of your leaves.

Another issue which is holding your work from reaching it's full potential is the fact that you're often times not drawing through your forms, such as in here where you only draw the tips of the leaves which are behind the other leaf structures, this leaves the relationships between the forms vague and doesn't allow you to apply the leaf construction method to the leaves, all of this flattens your construction.

  • Drawabox seeks to develop your skills through the use of exercises and drills. As such it's important to follow all instructions as they are written, otherwise you won't be getting the most out of each study session. You should be drawing through all of your forms, no matter how much it would be logically obscured by other parts of the construction or obscure said parts, think of it like a tridimensional puzzle, the most important thing is that you're thinking of how each of these forms relate and connect to one another, not how messy or clean it'll look by the end. Drawing through your forms allows your brain to work through these spatial reasoning challenges to it's full extent.

For this structure you draw out some branch-like forms with single lines and don't draw the leaf structures with the leaf construction method, this goes against the instructions and doesn't communicate any sense of form.

This flower is looser than it could be, due to the flow lines for the individual "arms" of the complex structure going past the boundary laid out by the previous phase of construction (the one where you established the boundary for the structure). The bigger shape establishes a decision being made - this is how far out the general structure will extend - and so the flow lines for the later petal structures should abide by that, otherwise it might as well not exist.

Many of your pages have empty spaces, or feel too cluttered. It's admirable that you clearly want to get more practice out of your page, but that space could have been better used not by adding more drawings to your page, but instead by limiting them, which would allow you not only more room to work through the spatial reasoning challenges that arise when tackling these exercises, but also give you enough space to fully engage your whole arm. Make the most use out of your page by drawing as big as you need your construction to be in order to engage your arm and apply all of the methods introduced in the lesson, only then should you gauge whether there is enough space left for another drawing.

Sometimes you addition of texture is a little bit too explicit as you add too much black to your drawings. Texture in the context of this course is an extension of the concepts of construction, with construction being focused on the big and primitive forms that make up different structures and texture focusing on communicating the small forms that run along the surface of an object, essentially texture is a way of visually communicating to the viewer what it would feel like to run their hands across that surface.

None of this has to do with decorating any of our drawings, what we draw here is based on what's physically present in our construction. As introduced here, we can notice that we should focus on each individual form and how it casts a shadow on neighboring surfaces, understanding how each individual form sits on a 3D space, and analyzing all of this information present in our reference to be able to translate it to our study. The shape of this shadow is important as it's the shape that defines the relationships between the form casting it and the surface it's being cast on, as such you should design your shadow shape in a way that feels dynamic, as shown here.

This approach is of course much harder than basing our understanding of texture on other methods that may seem more intuitive, but in the long run this method of texture is the one who enforces the ideas of spatial reasoning taught in this course. By following these ideas, you'll find yourself asking how to convey texture in the most efficient way possible, with less lines and ink, focusing more on the implicit mark-making techniques introduced in Lesson 2. Going forward here are a couple of final reminders of how texture in Drawabox is approached.

Final Thoughts

You have a lot of potential, the quality of your work is only being diminished because you're not following instructions as closely as they ought to be followed, and not applying the instructions to your constructions.

I'm not going to be marking this lesson as complete, it's important that you show that you understand these exercises and methods by applying them to your work. Make sure to revisit any relevant lesson material, once you're finished, please reply to me with your revisions.

Next Steps:

1 page, half of leaves, half of branches.

3 plant construction pages

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
edited at 9:43 PM, Jan 7th 2023
7:18 AM, Wednesday February 1st 2023

Thank you for the thorough critique

Here are my revisions

https://imgur.com/a/XGXdta2?s=wa


my doubts about my previous attempt (please feel free to not answer if its too much )

i struggled to apply theverbal knowledge of the lessons on the exercises even if looked at them everytime i attempted the exercises. I'm sorry for adding the demo sketches i didn't think they would be critiqued too.

arrow . I was unable to determine where i had added the hatching wrong and how it should have been corrected looking at the arrow notes.however it might be because there isnt' enough lineweight some areas as you said.i would appreciate guidance here..

leafs-I see i'll work on construction . i wasn't able to determine where i zig zaged .Where could have i added the forking method ?

thank you for the tip, i will draw through them next them.

plants-texture looks wrong in the first exercises,i used to look through the texture notes every time i put cast shadows in the last few plants,was the texture correct in the last few plants ? the page said we can decide on the light source and have the cast shadows merge each other in the dark areas,only have shadows in deep crevices,i had tried to pay attention to the shape of the shadow too.

in the mushroom demo ,they didnt start with the minor axis so i thought it was ok to skip ,I'll pay attention to the minor axis next time ,thank you.

could i have applied branch or lead construction here? it looked too thin. what to do in the case of very thin structures its also difficult to use my shoulder in that case ? https://imgur.com/a/kbJxyA7 , i will enlarge it next time then .

with the flowers i found myself not able to stick to construction unknowingly sometimes https://imgur.com/a/HZb5OGE , my leafs ended up being too small here,by the the time i finished i noticed boundary was far away .

1:40 AM, Saturday February 4th 2023

Hello Newquest, thank you for getting back to me with your revisions. Don't worry about submitting the Demos alongside your homework, overall it's not a big deal, I would just like to mention it so that you can be aware of it in the future.

Starting with your page of leaves they're looking much more fluid and energetic than your original attempt. Your branches are also looking good.

Moving on to your plant constructions your plants are looking pretty solid and it's good to see that generally you've applied my feedback, although there are some issues to point out here.

In this plant construction, outlined in red is a very important problem, and it's the fact that you're trying to capture some parts of your plant reference in your drawing, but you're not construction these forms, you skip construction steps by not making use of the branch method nor the leaf construction method, instead trying to capture them as flat shapes.

Another big problem besides not constructing these structures is that you leave the relationships between all of these shapes vague by not connecting them, which makes it unclear how all of these forms relate to one another and flattens your construction.

Remember that Drawabox is a course with one very clear goal: teaching you the foundations for drawing, one of those being the skills for spatial reasoning, Aka understanding how to draw forms that feel believable and tridimensional on a flat page. It's not important that you capture the exact likeness of the subjects you draw here, instead, it's more important that you're making use of the exercises and drills here, following their instructions to the letter so that you can train your brain to think in 3D. As such, always construct all of your forms with the methods and techniques introduced.

Besides not connecting different parts of your construction together, another thing that you shouldn't do is leave any kind of arbitrary gap between your leaf's flow line and it's outer edges.

Now onto your comments and questions.

Starting with your arrow's, I've outlined here the places where your hatching was incorrectly placed and the places where it was correct. As with most other exercises in Drawabox your understanding of how arrows work will deepen the more you practice these objects, however, there is something you should keep in mind for them, and that's the fact that arrow's perspective ( and most perspective in general ) is a comparison game.

What part of the arrow segment is the biggest segment? Let's take arrow 1 for example here, we can see in this arrow that the segment at the very top is the biggest segment and thus, the one closest to the viewer, and down below we have the smallest segment, which logically will be the segment furthest from the viewer.

By the rules of perspective we know that this means each segment in-between these two must then be gradually changing in size, from top to bottom segment 1 will be bigger than segment 2, segment 2 will be bigger than segment 3, and so on until the end of the arrow. This concept gets more complicated for twisting arrows but let's focus on the basics for now.

As such, knowing this we can determine that the bigger part of the segment is always the segment that is in front, and so the smaller segment is the one behind and as such should always be the segment that gets the hatching applied to it.

You can see here the places where you've zigzagged your edge detail and places where you should have made use of the forking branches method.

Red - Zigzagged edge detail.

Blue - branches that stem from a preexisting branch and as such should have been built with the forking branches construction method.

Let's take a look at this plant. Let's remember the principles of texture in Drawabox, as you might remember and as shown in my slight demonstration texture in Drawabox is based on cast shadows, this means that in order for these big patches of black to exist as cast shadows, there would need to exist a form on this flower's surface that could reasonably cast it, but due to the nature of petals such forms cannot exist, as such this texture is in part explicit, as it focuses on local color variations and some form shadows, looking at the reference picture we can see that in these areas of black there are actually some small indents and clearer parts which indicate a more subtle change in the surface of the petals.

Some of the demos are slightly outdated, the mushroom demo is one such case, although by reading the step by step guide on the website we can see that using a minor axis can actually be very beneficial and is recommended if you struggle with keeping your ellipses aligned to each other.

The following link is broken, but regardless it's still possible to answer your question. The answer is that you should always be constructing all of your forms in full, if the form is too small and doesn't allow you to engage your shoulder you have two options.

First, draw bigger, draw less plants in your pages and make sure that you're starting your branch structures at a comfortable size that allows you to engage your shoulder, this means a long enough minor axis, big ellipses drawn from the shoulder and a good chunk of space between each ellipse so that you can ghost and execute the marks from your arm.

The second option is to focus on a smaller part of a plant structure, sometimes some structures will be way too complex and trying to capture a big part of them in your A4 page with your 0.5 fineliner will prove not only incredibly challenging but sometimes near impossible, in such cases where the photo of your plant is so zoomed out that attempting to capture it completely will force you to skip construction steps then you should either choose a better reference photo that's more zoomed in, or choose to focus on a smaller part of the plant.

I believe you've shown adequate understanding of the concepts this lesson seeks to teach, although there are definitely some bumps you encounter, so make sure to keep honing your skills by adding these exercises to your warm up list. I'll be marking this submission as complete, good luck in Lesson 4.

Next Steps:

Don't forget to add these exercises to your warm-up list.

Move on to Lesson 4.

This critique marks this lesson as complete.
7:22 AM, Saturday February 4th 2023

wow thank you so much for even taking the time to show me how the corrections look, that added so much to my understanding and for answering all my doubts. I'll work on them.

about my revison exercise , I drew the surroundings as flat shapes on purpose remember how the potato plant demo where they made flat rocks to show how the plant sits in space. so that only applies to rocks ?

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