250 Box Challenge

8:26 AM, Sunday April 10th 2022

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Before i start the lesson i couldn't make 3D boxes (i always mess it up and it's so confusing to construct it) but after this lesson i could easily make it and see where the lines should be, even though until last page i still make mistakes and so often my lines went to not i intended it to be although i already implemented the ghosting method. This challenge sure is frustrating, but this lesson also help me get used to see things in 3D + help me get comfortable use my shoulder to draw, even though i still need a lot of practice of my control.

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1:50 PM, Tuesday August 30th 2022

Hi there,

congratulations on finishing the 250-Box-Challenge and thanks for submitting, I'll be reviewing your homework. I hope my feedback helps you.

Your work reveals that you had put a lot of focus, energy and time in completing the challenge. Your work came out beautiful, well done!

I structured this critique as follows:

the praises (what you did well) and where you went off and should keep an eye on in the future. In the end I'll give some general pointers/reminders, so you don't forget them

THE PRAISES ( The job you did well in the challenge)

You always drew through your forms and understand how they sit in 3D. Nicely done

You did a great job checking for your mistakes by checking the boxes convergences by extending the lines always from the viewer (in the beginning you sometimes extended in the wrong direction, but a lot less so in the end, so good job). You identified where it went wrong and worked on it.

You are able to construct the boxes of various types with different orientation and proportion. So hats off for that! The only thing I didn't see a lot of was foreshadowing (like seen in big objects like buildings for example, where the vanishing point is a lot closer and not off somewhere in the distance). I'd definetly experiment a bit with that in the future, it really helped me get a better grasp on perspective, so add it to your warmup.

I can say that you are building a sense of confidence and patience in drawing your boxes by plotting down the starting and end points of the lines before executing, so thats good job!

If you are concerned about accuracy, I will advise you to leave it there for some time and prioritize confidence first. After we build some confidence, we can work on some accuracy as well.We prioritize confidence and draw lines from our shoulder without thinking about any accuracy there. Our lines will look solid and more appealing, even though they are in inaccurate. Also don't repeat inaccurate lines and try to correct them. It just wastes time where you don't learn anything.

You hatched the face of the box facing towards the viewer and adding line weight around the silouehette. Make sure you take your time doing so and ghosted them thoroughly! That goes for the hatching as well, though god knows I know how tempting it is to scribble them in.

WHERE IT WENT SLIGHTLY OFF? ( Where you should keep an eye on)

In this part I will just point out where it went slightly off. In the coming part I will explain how to avoid them and how you can improve them. I made this part because it will remind us where we are going wrong and it will thereby make us conscious about our mistakes while drawing those boxes.

Of course you had improved throughout the challenge but there are times where some of the set of lines converges at a faster rates than the others resulting in converging in pairs. this point you can definitely work on, in your warm ups.

According to the rule of perspective, all the parallel lines in the 3D world (real world) will appear to converge to a specific VP (vanishing point) on a 2d page. SSo what we can say is that our parallel lines should always converge as a set and not in pairs. They will never diverge from the VP as this will break the rule of perspective. So next time, instead of drawing parallel lines in the boxes, try to consciously think that the parallel lines in the 3d world of box will always converge to a specific vp. These vps can either be staying inside the page (creating more dramatic/foreshadowed boxes) or outside of it (creating shallow boxes) https://imgur.com/mWLlnYl

It's completely and totally normal to have the back corner line slightly off compared to the rest. You should try and work on those as well. They have significantly improved at end of your work, so nice job!

In this challenge, we are estimating where our lines going to converge to a point. As we are humans, it is almost impossible to perfectly estimate where our lines will going to converge thereby resulting in an error. This error will continue to accumulate as we construct the box freely rotated in space. Finally this accumulated error will be thrown to the back corner. So its pretty normal to have the inner back corner come out pretty off.

I want to take a look at this info here; https://i.imgur.com/8PqQLE0.png

In this image we can know that how each line will behave relating to the position from its neighbouring edges and the VP. If the distance between the internal edges and external edges gets reduce more and more they will eventually become parallel to one and another. Alternatively if the distance between the internal corner and the external grow more and more the internal line will also converge. You can also try and start from the back corner if the box is narrower. https://imgur.com/a/DHlA3Jh

These diagram can be pretty hard to understand at first, so if you don't understand it, don't get frustrated, keep reading it from time to time while practicing regularly and it will click eventually.

SOME GENERAL STUFF I WISH SOMEONE HAD REMINDED ME BACK THEN

I would highly advise you to include boxes in your warmups and construct 1-2 boxes daily. After some time you will see how your boxes get better and better.

Remember the 50% rule. This challenge takes a lot of time and effort and you'll burn out/lose motivation if you don't do something for yourself as well.

You didn't do this, but I still want to mention this: don't erase wrong lines/draw correct ones over top. If your line is incorrect, mark the correct ending point and draw the rest of your lines correct (you don't learn anything correcting lines, so it just wastes time)

Take your time with the exercises. You'll learn a lot more if you take your time. DaB in general is a marathon and not a sprint. It really helped me to set my goal to "draw x minutes each day" instead of "draw x boxes a day". The amount of boxes you manage during that time will increase the further you get. It also helped me to do DaB at a specific time slot each day.

Do reviews for every lesson/challenge you completed regularly I know this sounds like a waste of time, but this entire community is built on this review-exchange system. I hope you learn a lot from my critique and you should give the same chance to others.

I have prewritten texts for every lesson and challenge and just go through every point and look if the person did it right or wrong and change the text accordingly. It only takes me 10 minutes max per critique! And you actually learn a lot, because you refresh your knowledge and don't forget certain aspects and I found that I have an easier time spotting my own mistakes in my warmups. So it doesn't only help this community and enables it to be free of charge, but it also helps you.

We all know this challenge was very intimidating. Constructing 250 boxes arbitrarily rotated in 3D is hard and yet you did a great job by keeping persistent till the end with lots of effort, focus, energy and time, well done! Your submission reveals that you did take time to read through the lesson materials, followed the instructions and executed to your best of your ability.

Feel free to move on to lesson 2 and good luck in your artistic journey.

Next Steps:

lesson 2

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3:36 PM, Saturday September 3rd 2022

Hi there,

Thank you so much for taking time looking at my exercise and put a thorough feedback. I really appreciate it a lot because sometimes when I was working on this exercise, I really don't know what did I do wrong and how to make it right. Your review made me look back and realize things I couldn't before.

Especially about foreshadowing box. I didn't really get it, so that's why you couldn't see a lot of foreshadowing which is a pity. I mean, out of 250 boxes... I had so many chances if I had better understanding of it earlier. I regret it. I'll make sure to do foreshadowing boxes for my daily warm up.

Thank you so much for pointing out about a hatching. I honestly never once hatching in a ghosted method way. I thought I just could scribble it. I'll make sure to hatch by ghosted method in my next exercise.

I admit I tend to correct my lines a lot. I just can't help it... which I know now it's bad and waste of time. Thank you. I'll try my best to plan my lines more patiently and stroke it more confidently. And even if it still wrong, I'll make sure not to redo it.

Thank you for pointing out which part I should work on. To be honest I think I understand big part of it, but in actual practice I'm still lost. I'll make sure to reread it again and practice it again. Thank you for the images it definitely help me to understand better.

I agree that DaB challenge is a marathon. I just want to share that I did this challenge in a long time because I only draw 5 boxes a day. But keeping the consistency is still hard for me. Sometimes I also get frustrated because my box today got worse than yesterday. I feel like I need constant mental note that I'll no way getting better in short amount of time. To be honest I need a lot of courage to read your feedback because I know I messed up a lot. But reading your feedback of which part I did good is really encouraging. At least I move forward. Thank you so much. I'll try to make this exercise a habit so I can keep the consistency so I can see more improvement, and by habit I won't get frustrated by hoping immediate result. I'll also learn to do review although I still feel like in no place to do that yet.

Overall, again, thank you so much. I hope you have a great time!

8:18 PM, Saturday September 3rd 2022

Aw, thank you so much. I'm really glad my feedback helped you.

Most of the stuff I pointed out were things I did wrong myself (hatching, repeating lines, the graphics were included in my critique back then as well), so this was really nostalgic and enjoyable to review. It's ok to be discuraged and frustrated sometimes and some days it feels like you regress and are unable to do things you were able to the day before, but I think it's better to do stuff regularily over a long time then not at all. Though I prob shouldn't talk so big, because I'm currently in kind of a strut (bc I had to stop DaB due to studiing for exam week) and it's so hard to get back into a it after a break, I hate it. I think consistency really is the key here, even if it's just a short warmup every day. So let's hope we'll both be able to find a routine that works for us.

Also thank you for responding and thanking me. A lot of people don't, so it made me super happy.

10:36 AM, Tuesday September 6th 2022

Hi there,

Thank you for also responding back! It makes me happy too. Anyway, It's frustrating since I took long break so to start lesson 2 is kind of hard, I think I need to go back a bit, do multiple warm ups before I continue. Like you said, it's really hard to get back on track. But I'll try to back on track and keep the consistency this time.

Cheers for you too! Hope you soon find a routine that works best for you.

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