Lesson 3: Applying Construction to Plants

11:41 PM, Thursday August 12th 2021

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As requested, here is my redone version of the lesson's exercises with no detail applies to any of the plant constructions.

Quick question: Am I to be using reference images of real leaves/branches for those exercises? As there's not a single one anywhere in those lesson articles/videos I just assumed that it was an exercise meant to develop my visualisation skills.

A clarification on my part: I've been using the references from the lessons to decide what eight flowers I draw (skipping the Potato plant due to it's sheer difficulty at this stage) - in hindsight, this was probably a mistake as the two that I've sourced images of myself (sunflower and tulip) are easily the ones I feel most confident about.

It's very easy to feel intimidated when you're being asked to replicate an image and the instructor has already demonstrated how it's supposed to look when done perfectly. It just reminds me of how I fundementally don't believe that skills are learnable.

I don't want to type paragraphs of defeatest self-critique, but despite rereading the feedback I've day every day before (and in a lot of cases, after) warmups... I really don't think I've managed to improve beyond marginal advancements. For example, I'm happy with how my branches flow slightly better now, but just compare it to literally anyone else's work in the discord and you'll see why I shouldn't celebrate steps so small when I still have so far to run just to catch up to the people who I'm supposed to be peers with.

All in all, we need to recognise what exactly it is I'm still not managing to grasp after 11 entire months of drawabox. As usual, I have no issue with being asked to redo this lesson as many times as it'll take for me to actually improve, and I don't care if that's another 11 months.

Apologies, and thank you for your time.

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5:10 PM, Saturday August 14th 2021

To answer your question, the first two steps of the leaves exercise is done either without reference, or following a given reference a little more generally (focusing more on how we're capturing a for, as it moves through space, exaggerating the fluidity of its motion, rather than trying to stiffly and hyper-accurately capture how the leaf looks in the reference). The third step, when we start adding edge detail, is where we employ reference images, as shown here in the instructions. The branches are indeed just a spatial exercise where we construct tube-like forms, and do not employ any reference.

Anyway, starting with your arrows, these are coming along well in terms of the original linework (which is confident and fluid), although you definitely overdo it in some places when adding line weight, like on the arrow on the far left side of the page. You're clarly going back over those marks over and over, chicken-scratching along the way. Line weight needs to be applied just as you would make any other mark - executing it with a single stroke employing the ghosting method. Yeah, you might miss, but that's fine. These are all exercises, the end result isn't important. What matters is the process you employ, and what you learn from it. It's very common for students to feel that when things get difficult and their results don't come out as they want them to, they need to change their approach because they want that better result now. Unfortunately, sometimes things just take practice, and when we try to find a way around that, we don't get the appropriate practice in.

The line weight applied to many of the other arrows was generally done well (I definitely focused on the worst one), although I did notice that you tended to have pretty noticeable jumps in thickness. Try to ease up on the pressure you're applying, so you can keep that transition from one thickness to another more subtle. You don't need to press hard to get more weight - the fact that you're drawing over an existing line is usually enough.

Continuing onto your leaves, the initial leaf structure (steps 1 and 2) show a good deal of respect for the flow and fluidity of the structure, and you do a good job of capturing how they move through space. Your addition of more complex edge detail is where you run into some problems, however.

This one is a good example of how you're approaching the addition of edge detail. The marks you add are really complex - they've got tons of bumps and variation to them that aren't actually supported by the existing structure. You're basically skipping a lot of steps and trying to do too much all at once. As shown here, if you wanted that kind of edge, you'd build it up in stages, first creating the larger swoops, and then building individual bumps onto each of them. Every mark still has a very specific trajectory and purpose - we do not zigzag a single stroke back and forth.

The same issue can be seen here where you're actually zigzagging back and forth across the original edge with a single stroke, as is explained here to be incorrect.

The last thing I want to call out here is that right now, with every stage of construction, you appear to be making your marks heavier (by pressing harder). Try maintaining the same thickness as you move forward through construction - this will help you create a more cohesive impression that you're building up and refining the silhouette of the same structure. When lines get thicker as you progress, it pushes us more in the mindset that we're replacing the old lines (as though we were throwing them away), and it can encourage us to redraw more of the leaf than is strictly necessary. I'm not seeing you doing this too much, but the approach can certainly lead to that kind of a mistake.

Continuing onto your branches these are moving in the right direction, but there are a few key things I want you to keep in mind:

  • First and foremost, I'm starting to get the impression that when an exercise or a drawing involves a lot of lines, you may end up affording each individual mark less time, resulting in a sloppier execution. I cannot be sure of this, but I am seeing signs of this both here and later in the plant constructions. I talk about this here in the ghosted planes instructions, and it goes hand in hand with the tendency for students to feel that they're meant to complete a certain amount of work within a single sitting - like when a student might say, "I'm going to finish this page of branches before I get up". I know (from having seen that video you shared before) that you can execute lines with a fair bit of control reinforcing the confidence executions, and that you can do so with accuracy without ending up with wobbly lines, if you invest enough time in the preparation and planning phases. The strokes we're doing here are quite a bit shorter, so they should generally be easier, but they're quite a bit sloppier than what you demonstrated before. This tells me that either you're not putting enough time into each individual stroke (since there are so many to be drawn), or that due to the shorter length you're using your wrist instead of your shoulder. Or both.

  • Another point that stands out is that you're not consistently extending each segment fully halfway to the next ellipse - and this appears to occur at the planning phase, based on where you're putting those little end points. This lends credence to the idea that perhaps you're rushing through these first two steps of each stroke.

  • One thing that can also help to make these branch structures more solid and more cohesive is to make a point of overlapping the last chunk of the previous segment directly, using it as a runway for the next stroke, as shown in these instructions. This will of course mean that you'll have to contend with any mistakes you may have made in the last stroke's execution directly (instead of being able to draw where the previous stroke ought to have been), but it will both yield more solid, cohesive structures due to the lack of gaps in your linework, and will also help you improve more efficiently.

Moving onto your plant constructions, in many areas you certainly are applying the core principles of the lesson, but there are issues that arise primarily out of the choices you make, and perhaps how quickly you attempt to work through a given drawing. I certainly can't make broad assumptions about how fast you're working through a given drawing - it would be nice to know how long each one took you, though to either prove or discount that theory.

From what I'm seeing, however, it does feel to me that where your drawings are weakest is generally where they get to be more demanding in terms of the quantity of marks that need to be made, and therefore the amount of time a given drawing will demand. It's not that the marks themselves are actually more complex or demanding on an individual basis - they're not. You mention that the potato plant was too challenging for you, but it's just a lot of individual leaves being drawn together in the same drawing. There's nothing more complex to it than the daisy drawing, which you handled just fine - there's simply more of it.

If we look at the sunflower, you started with a large overall ellipse (similarly to what we do in the hibiscus demo), where that ellipse defines the perimeter to which all of the petals extend. You didn't end up using it as such, however, and actually throughout the drawing you choose to ignore that ellipse's presence. Instead, each and every flow line of each and every petal should be extending to the edge of that large ellipse, and therafter every petal should have its tip at the end of the given flow line. These different phases of construction must maintain strong, specific relationships without arbitrary gaps or distances separating them. Every step of construction is a declaration, an answer to a question, or a solution to a problem. That ellipse answers the question of how far out the petals will extend.

Now, one may ask "what if I drew that ellipse wrong, and it doesn't match the reference anymore?" That's a pretty normal problem to run into, and the answer is that you stick with what you've drawn. We're not attempting to replicate the reference perfectly - it's just a source of information we're using to help construct something that feels solid and real. If we second-guess, or contradict previous steps of our drawing, we'll undermine that illusion of solidity and remind the viewer that they're just looking at a flat drawing on a page.

There are also some areas where you're forgetting how to apply certain techniques - for example, in the pitcher plant, you end up starting each segment where the previous one ends, not including any overlap between them as is demonstrated in the branches exercise.

The issues as I see them don't have anything to do with your ability to draw, or how "learnable" drawing is. It comes down to time - time to plan and prepare every mark with intent to execute them to the best of your current ability, and time to remember the application of each technique to be used correctly and effectively. These are things many students struggle with, and there is often a more deep-seated impression that one should be able to draw anything and everything quickly and fluidly. This course, however, helps students work towards that by doing everything in a slow, gradual, painstaking fashion here, so that we can push the things we're doing consciously now, into our subconscious - just as one takes every step carefully and intentionally when learning to walk as a baby, and ultimately is able to walk without thinking as an adult.

I'm going to assign some further revisions below, but I do think that you've shown some improvement over your previous submission so it won't be too extensive. Be sure to track how long you spend on each drawing and include them on the page. For the leaves and branches exercise, track each one separately, and note the time taken next to each one.

Next Steps:

Please submit the following:

  • 1 page, half of leaves and half of branches

  • 2 more plant constructions

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
9:42 PM, Sunday August 15th 2021
edited at 9:46 PM, Aug 15th 2021

While I apologise for needing so many clarifications, I think I've hit a minor breakthrough just from doing a warmup page of leaves as you specificed, and that getting some feedback on an issue I'm having now is more efficent then addressing it after I send in this completed batch of redos. (Not that I'd complain if I had to.)

When it comes to adding edge detail, I believe I run into the same result from two different sources.

If I draw them from my shoulder, then I lose control quickly due to it being a relatively small mark, and I either draw too slowly and hard (making the mark too thick) or draw a mark that looks confident, but completely overshoots or misses where it's to supposed to go.

Likewise, when I draw them from my wrist or elbow, I'm unable to excute the mark confidently, and so it ends up overly thick or misses where it's meant to go.

I feel like this problem has also cropped up in my attempts at the 25 Texture Challenge (which I will share for the sake of commuicating this specific issue I'm facing, this isn't some attempt to get free feedback on that unrelated set of problems) - I've only done six so far, but they've all had this issue: I simply cannot draw extremely small percise marks and have them flow confidently. Textures are relevant, because it's why whenever I've tried to add texture to leaves it's just been contour lines, instead of the dozens of tiny little percise marks shown in the tutorial as 'this is how you texture a leaf.'

I know that I've almost certainly read/watched the lesson one markmaking instuctions at least a dozen times, but I'm likely missing something important.

Here's the page of warmup leaves (I know I need to be way more patient with them, I should probably try and make myself take at least 3-4-5 minutes for each leaf) and the two pages of the texture challenge to visually communicate this issue. Apologies if this isn't an issue that actionable next steps, or I'm managing to completely misunderstand what my own problem is.

As always, thank you for your time.

https://imgur.com/a/om1ItJs

edited at 9:46 PM, Aug 15th 2021
1:10 AM, Monday August 16th 2021

In the future, even if you feel it's more efficient to jump in and get feedback right now, keep in mind that it's more efficient for you. It requires me to give you feedback twice, which is decidedly less efficient for me. The way this course is able to keep things as cheap as it does is by putting the onus on the student to make giving feedback more efficient.

Having read what you wrote, I think you're saying that the issue comes down to each different approach (using your shoulder, using your elbow, using your wrist) yields different downsides that hinder your ability to make the marks the way they ought to be. This is pretty normal - using the correct approach is one important aspect, but it doesn't inherently guarantee success right off the bat. Sometimes the right approach is going to require a lot of practice to be employed successfully. Drawing a mark from your shoulder - especially a small one - is definitely a challenging task, and it is something we get used to gradually, not something we'll just be able to pull off as soon as we unlock the theoretical understanding of how to go about it. Experience counts for quite a bit here.

So, for now, I'll say this - if the mark needs to flow smoothly and confidently, keep working on executing it from your shoulder, using your whole arm. This will involve a lot of movement from your shoulder that may feel off or uncomfortable, because it's unfamiliar and not something you've had to do much.

And of course, taking more time through the planning and preparation phases, as you noted yourself, will yield better results.

One last thing: when you add edge detail to your leaves, try to start by having your pen flow along the existing edge, so that it blends smoothly into it. Right now, as shown here, you're ending up with a much more sudden shift in trajectory that may not be entirely intentional.

Circling back to the initial point - this is the sort of thing that does require practice. You're headed in the right direction in your approach, but that accuracy and control will come with both a experience, and with proper time investment in the planning and preparation phases of the ghosting method.

2:10 AM, Sunday September 5th 2021

https://imgur.com/a/x10oBqu

As requested, a half page of leaves/branches and two plant constructions, all timed.

Not to self-critique, but I do certainly feel like it helped - oddly enough, I found the plant constructions a lot more comfortable than the half-page exercises.

While none of these are perfect, I'm confident in saying that I have developed a better sense of how much time to put into each line/a greater piece as a result of timing them - the Potato Plant I did in a few short sessions over a few days, as you can see.

(The reason one of them is an approximate time is that I had accidentally turned off my stopwatch app early - human error.)

Thank you for your time, as always.

7:28 PM, Sunday September 5th 2021

As a whole I do agree - I think you are demonstrating more care and patience. There is still plenty of room for improvement - I can see that there are definitely areas where you struggle with getting some lines to fall directly on top of one another, or having lines end at the same point, but these are all things that you will continue to improve upon as you practice the exercises from previous lessons as part of your warmups.

What's important to me here is that you are definitely showing more patience, and I expect that as you continue pushing through the lesson, that will improve further.

So! I'll go ahead and mark this lesson as complete, and leave you to continue to develop further on these fronts into the next lesson.

Next Steps:

Move onto lesson 4.

This critique marks this lesson as complete.
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