250 Box Challenge

7:20 PM, Saturday May 22nd 2021

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Hello my Comrades,

Im finally finished the 250 Box challenge and to be honest it was hard... very hard.

for a person with depression this is rly hard to manage but i keeped on going even after a long break.

but i have the feeling, that my drawings got worser then they were in the beginning.

i dont know, but i guess a commentary to my work would be great.


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2:43 PM, Monday May 24th 2021


Congratulations on finishing the 250 Box Challenge. This is especially a hard one, so I can understand how you feel.

Let's start with your lines. I see many wobbly lines and some fixed lines that are drawn a couple of times. It is good that you planned out your lines before drawing them. What I am curious about is that whether you are doing enough ghosting before drawing the actual line. Once you planned out the line with dots, ghost the line as many times as you need so that your muscle will remember the movement, and that way, you will draw more confident and straight lines. Thinking about the line while you draw hinders the drawing process, resulting in a wobbly, non-confident line so try to focus only on the movement of your arm since your arm would remember the movement.

I see you extended the corners of the boxes in the right direction, which is good, but there are some problems in your perspective. In the three-point perspective, there are three sets of vanishing points. Every parallel line should converge to a specific vanishing point. In each box, there are three sets of lines, each set containing four parallel lines.

Since your foreshortening is too shallow, most of the lines are parallel, or they diverge. The lines should converge, not diverge. You should pay attention to the planning stage of your lines before drawing them. One way to understand this might be to apply a deeper foreshortening. This way, your vanishing points would be closer, and you can see the divergence easier. This diagram explains the behaviors of the lines, so give it a read and try to apply it to your own boxes. Also, this specific order of drawing the lines might help you get more accurate results.

If you still have some problems understanding the three-point perspective, I would recommend you read the lesson material one more time and watch the videos Uncomfortable posted on youtube. You can find the first and the second videos here.

Before starting Lesson 2, doing this challenge a bit more would be better for you to understand the perspective better.

This challenge might be hard, tiresome, and even annoying, so taking your time and do it slowly might help you in this process. That way, you won't burn out. You can build up enough strength and determination to finish this challenge. If you feel like you are falling behind, or if you lose your focus while doing this challenge, taking some time out and finding your reason to draw might be helpful. Don't judge yourself too harshly. You are doing your best to learn something you love, and that's what matters. And if you did everything you can to keep going but still failed to get out of depression, maybe getting professional help would be better. It helped me go through the depression, and it also improved my art, so I definitely would recommend it.

Good luck with your studies :)

Next Steps:

Before starting Lesson 2,study the materials I mentioned above and then draw 50 more boxes. Once you are done, you can post your revision here for feedback.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
8:25 AM, Wednesday May 26th 2021


Here are my thoughts on the problems i faced from my Perspectiv.

the first problem for me was, that i thought we should not use VP as a fixed mark, but u said i should use a dot ?. So without a dot, i find it especially hard to imagine the path to take. that why i orientate myself on the lines ive drawen first, ending up foreshooting or parallel. Also in lesson 1 my drawings felt more save in the way i used my shoulder and the basic movement. now i lost it on the way though the boxes.

But at some point you are right, i didnt always ghost befor drawing, because im too frustated. this challenge got so deep that i probably need to learn more out of this thats not even about drawing.

But also when im ghosting my lines still ark in one direction, i tryed this so often in this boxes but i cant get rid of it.

The Second problem is more than overthinking rather than not understanding. i got the hole point and i reed the box challenge 3 times. i know that the lines should meet at some point but ive the box would exists in Reallife the line were always parallel. Same problem as aboth i dont have a VP marked so i just couldnt imagine where to go rather than speculating and then just hope for it to be right.

I guess your tip to first draw one corner will be gamechanging, that makes a lot of sense, because the background was always the last thing i did, ending super off track.

Third problem is mental health and its good to see that you gave me the advise to get serious help. Thats really important for people who havent got helped already :].

TBH. last year was hard, but i mostly got out of it, i found a new rythm for myself which is standing up and drawing 30min and then start my day. because in the early morings im most calm. thats why i was even able to finish it.

I will draw the 50 boxes after i know ive i should use VPs or not.

That would be great for an answer.

Thanks alot

1:14 PM, Wednesday May 26th 2021

I guess my explanation was a bit complicated, so I am sorry for that. Since English isn't my first language, sometimes I have a hard time explaining what I am thinking. Let me try to explain this more clearly.

Before starting to draw your box, first, draw a Y shape, just like in the video uploaded by Uncomfortable. You can check the video from the link I gave you in the feedback. After that, draw some dots to plan out the trajectory of the new corner that you will draw next. You can see the dots in this diagram. Also using dots to plan out your line (for example, where does it start and where does it end) is explained in the Rough Perspective homework's video, so you might want to check it out. Those dots will help you plan your lines before drawing them and help you ghost the lines more clearly at the same time.

As for the vanishing points, you shouldn't draw them when you do the challenge, but instead, always think about their existence in the space. The box consists of several sets of parallel lines, and when we observe a box in perspective, the lines that are parallel to each other should converge to a specific vanishing point. So, for example, if we think about the front face of a box, there are four lines in total. If we divide those four lines into two sets, there will be two sets of parallel lines. So when we draw them in perspective, the parallel lines should converge to a specific vanishing point according to the rules of the perspective. Every set of parallel lines creates its own vanishing points. The three-point perspective, which we are studying right now, consists of three vanishing points. When you draw the box, you should find the lines that are parallel to each other and converge them to those vanishing points. It is really hard to imagine the place of the vanishing points since we are not allowed to draw them, but once you understand the theory behind it, you will start to draw more accurate boxes. If you have a hard time imagining the vanishing points, deepen the foreshortening and set your imaginary vanishing points close to your box. And try to ghost your lines towards your imaginary vanishing points, of course, without drawing them. This exercise is actually quite similar to the Rough Perspective Homework. The differences are that in the 250 Box Challenge you will not draw the vanishing points, and you will have three vanishing points instead of one.

To understand the perspective topic better, you can check Uncomfortable's explanation from here to understand what a vanishing point is and how does it work, and then, you might want to do the Rough Perspective Homework one more time. This might help you increase your understanding of perspective and vanishing points.

And for the health part, I hope you are doing better. I like the idea of having a schedule to organize your day. I'm trying to stick to a schedule a little similar to yours, but it is hard, and if you can do it then, that's really good. Studying how to draw, especially following the 50% rule really helps me stay healthy and happy. This way, I can enjoy drawing and build up enough energy to deal with other problems I encounter in daily life. Of course, sometimes we can get lost in our problems, and that's why I suggested professional help. I am saying this again, but it did help me in the past, and I would recommend it to everyone who has an opportunity to get one. And if it is not possible, finding people who are safe to share your problems with and talking with them is effective as well.

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