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2:38 PM, Wednesday January 11th 2023

Thanks saviour, just some little queries present in my head.

Should I use reference to rotate the object or should I do it from memory, and here is how I usually practice ( for example , torso)

First like usual stuffs I would try to gain information about torso like anatomy, proportion, connection either from YouTube or from some other books

Then I would go crazy doing drills of 100 or 150 torsos from references at different angles .

And then after doing it I would usually draw some 20 or 30 more but this time using the imagination to test whether have I grasp the information or not , and if I still struggle , I check the reference of the part I am struggling at , draw it and move on .

1)Should I incorporate your way to rotate in Drill or in imagination part

2) Should I make some amendments in the way I practice to increase the efficiency of the value of the practice!!!!

10:57 PM, Wednesday January 11th 2023

Hey, no problem!

1) You can try it and see if it helps you, if it doesn't help you then you don't have to do it.

2) The way you practice right now is very good and I wouldn't change it. Instead, after you have done the 20 - 30 torsos from imagination, I would do the rotation exercise from imagination as a test to see if you still struggle with certain angles, and if you do, you can study those specific angles. Alternatively you could use reference and do the rotation exercise while you are learning to better understand the subject. So depending on what you want to do you can use this exercise in different ways. All it comes down to is how you want to use it.

After that I would incorporate what I've learned into an actual drawing and see if I've improved or not, 9 times out of 10 there will be improvement because I've drawn about 200 torsos all from different angles. If there wasn't any improvement it could be because I didn't make the learning hard enough (I.e stayed in my comfort zone and didn't try to learn).

The critical aspect of this is applying what you've learned to actual drawings because there's no point learning random stuff if you will never use it in a drawing. There's a good analogy for this. Say you had a math test that you have to study for, you wouldn't start studying a bit of english, a bit of science etc. You would first do a practice test for math to see what you know and then study the bits you got wrong. For drawing that would mean actually making a piece of art and then studying the bits that look bad / you don't understand very well. However, when you do make a piece of art you should do it with your full effort and try to make it the best you possibly can like you would in a math test. If you don't then you can always say "I didn't do my best" and then the mistakes / things that bother you will never be addressed and fixed. Even if the piece turns out "bad" after you do your best you shouldn't get discouraged because at the end of the day all we can really do is our best.

Anyway, hope this helps!

6:52 AM, Thursday January 12th 2023
edited at 6:56 AM, Jan 12th 2023

Hey, thank you very much for your thoughts!!!

Where you have said "applying what you have learned into actual drawing" , I think that's very important part.

Can you please provide more in-depth of it because I think I didn't understand something in it!!

For example say the torso was the" very first thing" I learned about figures!! Once I have done it's practice and grasp the basic understand of it like a little bit of anatomy , shape of the chest muscles, different connections, proportions of muscles , like that

How would I incorporate into an actual drawing ( like WHAT DRAWING) because it was the only and the very first thing I learned about humans!!!

More over should I also draw squash and stretch in rotation or just simple movement in X and y axis??!

edited at 6:56 AM, Jan 12th 2023
9:27 AM, Thursday January 12th 2023

Hey no problem, keep the questions coming if you got them.

When I said Incorporate into an actual drawing I meant use the knowledge you've gained from studies and utilize it in the art you actually want to make. If you want to make art that is centered around a character you should go for it even if you've only learned the torso. Because a lack of knowledge shouldn't stop you from making the art you want to make. It may turn out bad but that's completely okay, if you learn from your mistakes you will get better, what matters most is that you enjoy the process of drawing. This is all kind of tied back to the 50% rule from drawabox which is essentially drawing for the sake of drawing.

But if you've only learned the torso I would learn how to simplify each body part so you at least have something to go off of (morpho books are good for this).

If you are still struggling to figure out what to draw one thing that could help is to ask yourself why you started drawing in the first place. That will most likely tell you the things you want to draw.

Also you can do anything you want in the rotation exercise as long as you find it useful.

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