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250 Box Challenge

10:43 PM, Saturday May 8th 2021

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Hi! After two months it's finally ready. Some things to acknowledge:

  • I skipped a couple of numbers while I was doing the challenge, and just realized after I finished, and actually counted the boxes to see that there were ten missing. Those are at the end, so the order of the pages is still chronological.

  • If some lines look like they've been traced, they haven't. Is just the result of ghosting too close to the page and making accidental marks.

  • A few times, the correction lines have been crossed and replaced with another. That's because I followed the wrong line. In any case, the line without the cross is the valid one. (they're sometimes worse than the other, but the point was to correct the line that I actually was intending to make)

That's all I think. A million thanks in advance!

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6:56 PM, Sunday May 23rd 2021

Hi Aeshnabx, Im gonna go over your submission.

First of all, congratulations on finishing the challenge, I can clearly see that youve improved a lot through the submission, your boxes are getting bigger and more confident, your line weight got more subtle and you are also making better convergences! However, there are still a few things that I want to draw attention to so you can keep on the right track!

While Im very pleased of the line confidence that you are applying in these boxes, it seems like there is an issue with those dots. Now, some times they dont really are a problem, but in a lot of your boxes those dots are really hard to ignore, by looking closely at them I think I know how they came out. Now, its totally fine to put down some subtle dots to plan out your boxes and the convergences of their lines, though as I said, it has to be subtle and in a really controlled manner, since a big part of this exercise is for you to learn how to do educated guesses without having to do a lot of planning beforehand. So, moving forward, try to rely less on those dots and when you actually do use them (which again, its not wrong for starting out) be subtle with them.

Another thing that called my attention was that you are having some issues with the back corner, welcome to the club. Check this method next time you are warming up with some boxes, it will give a new perspective on it (pun %100 intended and thought out in advance).

On a similar note, remember that when you are adding lines to a set of parallels, you need to take into account the relationships with the whole set of parallels instead of just one line. When you have to guess how a line is extended into its vanishing point, its not enough to just compare it with the first line you draw of that set, you have to take the others into account to guess more accurately. I know how confusing this sounds, so check this diagram from time to time and it will eventually click, though you are starting to do this on a more intuitive level, so Im confident that now that it is explained here, you will be able to do it on a more consistent and conscious level!

As I said, its very clear that youve undertand what this challenge was about and improved a lot on it, so Im gonna go ahead and mark it as completed! Keep up the good work.

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9:40 PM, Sunday May 23rd 2021

Hi, thanks for the critique! I did rely too much on the points, first started as a way to get the pen to work (it was dying at that point), and when I got a new one, I realized that I was using it as a crutch. Tried to pull it back a little but still. Now that you've pointed it out, I'll keep it in mind more often.

I do have one question though. Regarding the method for the back corner. I was practicing it and yes, it's super helpful to make the inner point third (I was leaving it for the last almost always). But reading it, when it talks about considering the first VP to make the second and so on: when you make that second point, you should be considering the next VP as well, right? In this case the one you are "generating" up, and that would converge with the pink line later.

I say that because when I was making the boxes, at one point I started to put the three points before making any lines, just by looking at how the lines should behave, and once I put the first two lines, I would reassess the others (and that's why there are so many points in some boxes). But considering where the rest of the lines would be at the end helped me a lot to get them better.

Point being, if I do things the way the method says, I still have to consider more than just that first VP, right? Because, if I'm getting this right, once you make those two first lines, there's only one way the lines will be perfect, so that all three VP are right.

If I just consider the first VP when making that second point, and I don't consider the eventual inner corner or the VP that will go up, and put that second point way on the left, without diverging but less angular, it will screw up the rest of the perspective for good? or if I reaccomodate the inner and third VP, it will just change the perspective and size of the box?

EDIT: So I went and did some changes to the box given in the example and I did got things wrong, I can reaccommodate that second point and still make a perfect box. Different though, but it can be done.

https://imgur.com/a/Jl01flw

Now, that should be it right? because once those two points are made the inner point is kind of determined, and once those three are done, there's literally just one way the last one can be made. I tried other ways but at that point I think its impossible.

I hope the question isn't too confusing.

11:55 PM, Sunday May 23rd 2021

Okay, I gotta admit this took me a couple reads to understand, but I think I got what you are saying.

For what Im understanding, you are right- Following this method, you are able to freely put down the first dot that determine two lines wherever you want, though when you move to the next one, you now have to consider how that line that youve put down that connects to the first point and basically will determine where your next vanishing point is (taking into account the corresponding line of the starting "y"). When you are done with that point, you move on to the inner corner and that one is also basically determined, since you have to take into account both of the already set vanishing points and the last corner has (as you said) just one way yo end up perfect.

So yeah, I think that what youve worked here and the change you experimented with are right and show how this method works.

I hope that I actually understood your question and was able to answer it! Also, Im glad you found my critique useful.

1:12 AM, Monday May 24th 2021

Yes, that was it! Thank you again.

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