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6:53 AM, Tuesday July 21st 2020

Sorry, are you saying that some plants have folding leaves and others don't, and that I should draw accordingly? What should I do if a leaf/petal doesn't fold that much? For instance, sunflower petals don't have as much folding as those of a daisy. Do you think I should have folded those more?

10:29 AM, Tuesday July 21st 2020

Oh you're drawing sunflower? My bad. I thought you flattened what should be folded.

11:35 PM, Wednesday July 22nd 2020

No worries. Thanks for your help anyway.

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