Lesson 1: Lines, Ellipses and Boxes

1:13 PM, Thursday July 1st 2021

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Hello everyone :)

My name is Kyle, I'm loving the drawabox course and really happy that I've discovered it. Feel like I've found a new passion that I want to pursue further.

Open to any and all CC and looking to improve and meet new like minded people.

Apologies for some of the messy work and random scribblings and notes lol!

Thanks in advance.

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4:16 PM, Thursday July 1st 2021

Hi Kroutled, great job on finishing the first lesson!

I will give critique according to the order you assigned your homework.

  • Ghosted lines. I can tell that you already noticed during the exercise that the movement of your arm is more important than actually drawing a pretty line, seeing how you improved from the top of the page to the bottom (assuming the page is upside down).

  • Superimposed lines. I know these can be tricky, but try to get a feeling for where you desire the pen to land. The first, shorter lines are pretty good but the bottom start to fray a bit more. This is completely understandable seeing to how it is difficult to properly navigate your shoulder and arm for longer stretches, but it is about the movement of the arm, not the lines themselves. Also, don't rush these. The lines themselves need to be done swiftly and with confidence, but make sure that you place the tip of your pen at the very start of your lines.

  • Ghosted planes/planes with ellipses. It is very important totake the ghosting method seriously before getting into these ellipses. Make sure the tip of your pen floats over each border of your plane swiftly and with purpose, and go over each ellipse three times. I can see that most of your ellipses are done only twice or even one and a half, and some others are done for more than four times. It is important to get your arm used to the feeling of drawing ellipses. Ghosted planes look good.

  • Ellipse table. Same advice here. Ghost these properly and make sure you go over them three times.

  • Funnels. Make sure you fit your ellipses in these borders properly, leaving no open space between either them and the funnels and each other.

  • Plotted perspective looks good.

  • Rough perspective. Ghosting will also prove vital in these exercises. I can see you were very diligent in this exercise and your boxes look good, but some of the lines that move towards the vanishing point are too diverged. This is absolutely fine of course, as everyone struggled with these, myself included, but it is very important to make sure that you get a feeling of a box being pulled towards a vanishing point, however subtle this might be.

  • Rotated boxes. These look good. Some of these look a tad crooked, as is apparent when I look at the upper right corner of the page, but otherwise these look quite neat. I think you could've made sure that you heed mind to the lines of the neighboring boxes for reference for the box you were about to draw, as some of the mistakes were avoidable with a little bit more attention to the overall composition, but good job in general.

  • Organic perspective. Here is where I can see things were getting a little wonky. I can tell you have a good sense of depth and how to plot the overall direction, but it is noticeable you could have implemented more of the techniques you were practicing during lesson 1. So, first you draw the curved line. Simple enough. Then you draw the outermost lines (the lines coming towards the viewer) and a line that establishes the depth of the box. Use the ghosting method to establish both the smoothness of these lines and the directions these lines are supposed to go, so DO NOT go over these lines a multitude of times. Repeat this for every box and make sure you really pay close attention to which direction the curved line is headed and place each box according to that direction.

Good job overall! One last tip: there's no need to be self critical (I am referring to the comments you left on the pages ;) ) I know it might feel embarrassing to show these online, as you are probably painfully aware that there are people way better than you, but everyone began at your level. So just keep at it, I can tell you've got the right spirit.

Next Steps:

  1. Ellipses in funnels and planes. Not a lot of these, unless you feel like it. Look at the critique I gave and apply these to the exercises.

  2. Organic perspective. Do one of these and pay really good attention to every aspect of lesson 1. So only one line drawn smoothly, and carefully plotted towards a vanishing point, regardless of whether you can see this point or not.

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
2:05 PM, Wednesday July 7th 2021

Hi Bram,

Firstly thank you very much for the great feedback. I was very impressed with how thorough it was and surprised at how quickly it came after subbmitting the work. :) I learn't a lot from your observations that I wasn't as aware of myself and can see why it's so helpful to have another set of eyes on the work.

I can see now how my biggest struggle seems to come from drawing lines more confidently, I noticed this quite a bit when doing the additional exercises you suggested and is something I need more practice with for sure. I'm hoping it will also improve as I get more comfortable with the concepts being taught.

Below is a link to the additional homework exercises, there is a few additional exercises there as I combined them with some exercises that I received from another critique.

I hope that my lines can improve with more practice and am planning to do more planes and some other exercies as warmups going forward to try and improve further.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to go over my work :)

https://imgur.com/a/2F0Zto6

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4:31 PM, Thursday July 1st 2021
edited at 4:34 PM, Jul 1st 2021

Hey! I am only at lesson 4 and aint done a lot of critqiue but i will do my best to give you some CC

Starting off with your ghosting lines i think you are off to a good start!

You appear to have done a decent job at plotting them and remembering to put down a starting point and finishing point.

The main thing i notice is that you have quite a lot of wobble on them. As the Draw a box article says

"In drawabox you should always prioritize confidence over accuracy.

A wobbly line is a mistake, no matter how accurate, and a confident line will be correct, as with practice the accuracy will get better."

While some of your ghosted lines do hit the mark overall some of them are very wobbly and it is pretty clear you did not have a lot of confidence when you ghosted/drew them.

Of course i dont mean to say this to discourage you it is totaly natural and i had the same issue as well. Think of it like this.

"Your goal should be a confident line that is smooth and straight. It is fine if it misses. A missed confident line is a success/better outcome then a wobbly non confident line that still hits the end point.

Some of your ghosted lines also have a bit of arching. It is not major but still worth to keep note off and try to improve on. Make sure to use your shoulder and ghost plenty of times so you get a good feel for the motion. But it is also just something that will improve with time so keep it up.

For the superimposed lines i think you did a good job as well. I noticed a bit of fraying on the starting point of some lines. Try to make sure to put down a clearly defined start point/Dot then always start from it. Take as much time as you need.

You also have the same wobble and lack of confidnece in most of the superimposed lines so keep working on that. Same with the arching. But good work overall

As for your elipses...

The elipses are quite varied.

The main thing i notice is a lack of confidence and drawing through the elipse to many times.

THe preferable ammount of times you want to do the elipse motion is 2 time. Many of your elipses appear to have been drawn through several times. Like...5-8? I am not sure. But 2-3 is enough. This is to help you keep confidence and minimize clutter.

In the elipse table you have done a decent job at keeping them from overlapping each other. But you still have a bit of floating elipses that dont properly touch or rub up against each other.

Keep that in mind.

Also off note but avoid adding your own text or sketching/weird colors to the pages. Stick to the fineliner and dont add any text or sketches. Keep the contents of your page to just the DAB lesson.

Lastly make sure to keep your elipses within bounds.

You did a good job at keeping them inside the table i think but for th ghosted planes you often went outside the plane or did not "fit" the elipse within it.

Your goal should be to touch all four corners of the plane. But of course priortise confidence and smoothness over accuracy if you have to.

Now for the funnels.

I think you did a great job on these! Confidence/woobling lines non withstanding you fit the elipses in rather well and managed to cut the elipse in half with the minor axis and you also kept the elipses quite tight and snuggly within the funnel. Great job.

Just make sure to practice the wobble/confidence and try to squeeze them together just a bit more.

Great job on your plotted perspective. Solid lines,good hatching and you did the see through well.

Good start on rough perspective. It is a difficult once.

I noticed you had a lot of wobble and also darkend the lines a lot on some of the boxes for Lineweight . Dont repeat lines more then twice and do it carefully with ghosting.

Overall i think you appear to have understood the rough perspective etc but just make sure to work on the boxes themselves. Keep practicing your lines,confidence and line weight.

Solid work on rotated boxes. I am not great at that one myself but you seem to have done a good job at keeping the boxes close to each other and they appear to be rotating. Good work

Good work on organic perspective.

Main CC i have for you there are your lines. Same issue as earlier with a lack of conidence and wobble.

You should also be more bold. Make the difference betwne the boxes bigger,make some really huge and some more small to really push the perspective.

OVerall great work!

You did good on on most of the things and appear to understand the theory/logic behind a lot of the boxes and other homeworks.

Your primary issue/What you should focus on is 100% confidence and getting rid if your wobbly lines.

It is very imporant for DAB overall.

I would avise you to redo the ghosted lines homework.

This includes superimposed lines,ghosted planes and ghosted lines.

Make sure to save the planes for the next part in which i would recomend you do the ghosted planes with elipses.

Overall you did a good job but i think you would benefit greatly from practicing your lines so you can improve your capacity to prevent wobbly lines and gain more confidence. Same with the ghosted plane elipses.

By doing this you will benefit greatly later on when you do the box challenge in which you will need confident strokes as well as practice your elipses for future lessons.

GOod work! keep it up!

Next Steps:

2 filled pages of the Superimposed Lines exercise

1 filled page of the Ghosted Lines exercise

2 filled pages of the Ghosted Planes exercise

2 filled pages of the Ellipses in Planes exercise

When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
edited at 4:34 PM, Jul 1st 2021
2:14 PM, Wednesday July 7th 2021
edited at 2:18 PM, Jul 7th 2021

Hey Willythechilly!

Thanks very much for the awesome critique, I found it to be super useful and helpful :)

I wasn't expecting it to come so quickly so thank you for that as well.

After reviewing my previous work with your observations I see now that my biggest struggle seems to come from drawing lines more confidently, I noticed this quite a bit when doing the additional exercises you suggested.

I feel like I can see some improvement already especially with the superimposed lines, I still battled a bit with the plotted lines (an excercise suggested in another critique) but I am hoping that with time and dedicated practice this can improve.

As for the ellipses I tried to keep the lines to 2-3 repeats. I found that as I was thinking about this restriction and concentrating a bit too much on accuracy (exactly what you told me not to do lol) that the confidence of the lines suffered a lot >.<

I'm hoping that with some practice and muscle memory this will improve.

I plan to warmup with some of these exercises such as the ghosted planes to try and improve further.

Once again thank you very much for taking the time to review my work :)

https://imgur.com/a/2F0Zto6

edited at 2:18 PM, Jul 7th 2021
9:53 PM, Wednesday July 7th 2021

hey! Great work. I see some improvment as well.

Again these things take time so it is totaly normal to not suddenly fix the problems lol.

I think you can move on to the next lesson/box or whichever you choose to do.

The main thing i notice is your elipses. I think you are doing them way to slow. They are very wobbly and often break shape and become all chatoic.

You should draw them very fast. Ghost the elipse motion and then let the fineliner touch the paper and do the motion 2-3 times.

As you said "I think I focused too much on accuracy here and thus the confidence of the lines suffered."

Which is correct. You should get confident first before worrying about accuracy.

Obviously they dont need to be perfect. As you can see in the elipse section of the lesson Imposter gives an example of what your elipses "look like now",what they "will look like" and what your aim is for them to look like.

For now you want them to be confident and not wobble much. AFter that you can focus more on accuracy and having them be "perfectly overlapping" but that takes time.

Organic perspective looks better as well. It is difficult but you did well. Maybe try to push it a bit more but thats not a priority or anything.

Keep focusing on confidence and having straight lines on your ghosting lines. That takes priority over accuracy.

But keep it up! I think you are ready to move on to the next lesson. JUst dont forget these instructions/Tips and keep practicing with them in mind during warmups and when you do other dab homeworks and you will improve!.

Good luck!

Next Steps:

The 200 box challenge is the next step in general. I recomend doing that.

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