Mosselmemory

Thanks a lot for this feedback! It helps a lot!

I had one question- what do you mean exactly with that I forgot to draw my "curves hooked on the ends" for the organic intersections? Is that to do with the fact that they seem like they are floating? (and thus not hooked/resting on anything on one end) or is it something else?

Hi! Oh whoops, yes it's definitely been a while. I took a look at your boxes, and these are looking much better! I can see most them converge in a more dramatic perspective, especially one side of box 231. I still think you're being a bit careful and could probably go even more extreme on the angles, but for the purposes of this challenge, I will mark it as complete! Also, I see that you've still missed 5 boxes, but I'll let that one slide :P

Some things you could still improve:

• Going for even greater angles and extreme perspective.

• I see that there's a little bit of a wobble in your line sometimes, keep that line confidence high, and make sure to ghost! Don't worry if you overshoot, you'll get better at that. Don't be too careful and slow with your lines.

By the way, Draw A Box has a Discord you might want to look into. It could get you faster feedback!

I can really see that they converge subtly now, very nice! I will mark this challenge as complete. Of course, continue practicing boxes by putting them into your warming up, but that's the same thing for most Draw A Box exercises. Great results!

Great job on completing this challenge! Here is your feedback:

Extending lines:

you extend your lines into the right directions and all sides are complete, so that's looking very good!

Convergences:

Foreshortened boxes: I can see a very big difference between your shallow perspective and extreme perspective. Good job on varying it and a nice balance of different perspectives! I can also see that your convergences improve a lot as you draw more of these boxes. You use the dot method to plan out your lines (https://imgur.com/3zoQA65) also, so that is very good.

Shallow boxes: I noticed that most of your convergences go parallel (as in box 252) or some diverge (as the cyan side of box 249). Note that all sides will always converge, even at shallow perspective. Lines may look parallel at first sight, but they have to point just sliiiighlty together anyway. Because all lines have to eventually come together in a vanishing point, whether that is close by on the page, or very far off the page, try to imagine where the vanishing point is, even if it is very far away.

Hatching & confidence: your hatching is very clean. Your lines are confident in the hatching as well as on the boxes. Great job!

Line weight: it looks like you've put line weight only on the silhouette and not inside the boxes and it's very subtle. Nice!

Orientations: it looks like you've got many different orientations, so that's looking good. If you ever need inspiration, you can refer to this image: https://imgur.com/Kqg6uMX

Inner corners: if sometimes your back corner goes off to do its own thing, as in the cyan side of box 180, or the red side of box 142, this could be because of the order in which you draw your lines. Using the order that is in this image could help with this: https://imgur.com/a/DHlA3Jh .

All in all, you did very well on this challenge, but I think your shallow perspective may need some more attention. I would like you to draw 15 more boxes of shallow perspective where you make sure that the lines will eventually meet: use a subtle convergence. Avoid parallel/diverging lines, and then post your pictures in a reply to me and I will mark this challenge as complete!

Great! Good luck and have fun with lesson 2!

Great, thank you for your revision!

I see some more variation especially on the first page, but the first four boxes on the second page, and the boxes on your last page are mostly in the same orientations. I would like you to look closely at this image and see which orientations you've missed https://imgur.com/Kqg6uMX . If you need, you can trace over the initial Y on this image and see how these initial Y's differ, and then after that you trace over the other lines to see how they differ in different boxes before you draw your own (tracing can be useful if you need to grasp a concept for the first time!).

I see some more shallow perspective, especially in the later boxes, and most of your convergences are very nice. Great job!

I may be wrong on this, but to me it seems like you have put line weight not only on the silhouette of the boxes, but on lines inside the boxes as well (for example in your box 13 and 14). Make sure that you put line weight on the silhouette of the boxes as indicated in this image: https://d15v304a6xpq4b.cloudfront.net/lesson_images/980a575e.jpg

the very bold lines on the third box (the "too much line weight" mistake) are where you should put your line weight, but of course you should be more subtle than that.

I would like you to draw just one more box so I can check whether you got the line weight right, but you are free to draw five (but those four are optional, and only if you want to practice your rotations). For this last revision, make sure you put the line weight in the right place, and try to push the rotation very very far. Take a box in this image that you think looks different from what you've drawn before, and draw a box like it: https://imgur.com/Kqg6uMX

Nice, very dedicated! Note that you don't have to start over, though. You've completed this challenge, and if you do just a couple more boxes that will likely refresh your memory quite quickly. My own boxes took me a year to complete, so it's okay if you don't do everything back-to-back. But of course, this is your choice and more drawing of course means more results. You can also revisit lesson 1 and the boxes but not complete them fully. I'll be happy to mark this challenge as complete if you hand in the revision later.

I do definitely recommend joining the Discord channel for future submissions. We have a system on there that allows you to get feedback much quicker!

Great job on completing this challenge!

Here is your feedback:

Extending lines: you extend them all in the right directions and use different colors. Very clear, very clean. Great job! The only thing is that sometimes the extended lines don't 100% follow the lines of the boxes like the purple line of the back corner of box 249. Because you extend the lines to check whether the lines of the boxes are correct, these do have to follow your fineliner lines closely.

Convergences: all of your lines converge. I don't see any diverging drastically. You did very well on this. Sometimes I do see that the two lines in the middle of the box tend to go parallel to each other, while the outer two lines converge. This doesn't happen always, however, but it happens on two sides of box 247 for example, and they don't in box 245. Note that the two lines in the middle will only go near parallel if they are very very close together. What could help is this: first look at this image, I'm going to use it to explain: https://imgur.com/a/DHlA3Jh .

Imagine that you are drawing this box and you have just finished step 3. Now you want to draw step 4: the back corner. Don't make the line parallel with the blue lines (initial Y) immediately. Instead, ghost over the initial Y again, but backwards; that is, follow the top left blue line of the initial Y into the box and towards the green lines, and see how close you get to the green corner. If your hand practically goes over the green corner, you can draw the black line coming out of the green corner pretty much parallel with the blue line. If your ghosted line goes through a green side instead, make sure that the lines you draw in step 4 converge with the blue ones and all of the other lines going to the vanishing point you have in mind.

Hatching: I don't see any hatching on your boxes. This is optional, so that is all right. It could help with clarity and knowing which plane faces you, but I don't think there is any confusion, so this is all good. If you do hatch, however, make sure to put just as much intention and focus on every single hatched line as you do with the lines of the boxes themselves.

Line weight: I can't really see whether you put line weight on the boxes. Either you were extremely accurate and went over the first lines exactly, or didn't put it on. Make sure that the line weight is subtle, but noticeable, and only put it on the silhouette, not on the initial Y or back corner.

Confidence: your lines are very confident and very straight. Great job!

Orientations: your boxes are mostly oriented in the same ways, and just have different shapes. Try to use this image as inspiration for different orientations: https://imgur.com/Kqg6uMX

also, your foreshortening tends to be quite extreme and your convergences quite sharp. Make sure to also do some boxes at a more shallow perspective.

All in all, very very good boxes! I just want you to practice your shallow perspective a little bit more.

Hello Foit! I'll be handling your feedback for the challenge!

Extending lines: for the most part, you extend your lines into the right direction, except for box 101. I think you understand this concept, but just in case, I wanted to tell you to make sure to always extend your lines away from the initial Y, as in this image: https://imgur.com/iNpIubA .

Make sure to draw these with a ruler also as I sometimes see them wobble a bit. If you struggle with your ruler moving on the paper as you are using it, you could try to tape a coin to it to make it heavier.

Convergences: your convergences are something I would like you to work on more. Your lines will often go mostly parallel like in box 144, or diverge like the red side of box 80.

These diverging lines in box 80 are like on this picture: https://imgur.com/mWLlnYl

you always need to make sure that your lines move closer together so that eventually they will meet each other in one point. In extreme perspective, this point may be on the paper. For shallow perspective, this vanishing point will be off the paper, meaning that the extended lines won't go at a sharp angle towards each other. But they will still get closer together at least somewhat! They will never be parallel or go away from each other!

I want you to be careful putting down dots first, ghosting, and only then drawing with confidence like in the following tutorial: https://imgur.com/3zoQA65

Hatching: make sure to value confidence in your hatching. Your lines are often wobbly. Ghost each individual line, and only then put your pen on the paper. Hatching requires the same amount of attention to each line as the rest of your boxes.

Line weight: it looks like you put line weight on all of your boxes. That is great! Do make sure to not put line weight on the initial Y or on the back corner. Line weight should only be on the silhouette of the box!

Confidence: like with your hatching, your boxes are somewhat wobbly. Make sure to ghost and focus before you draw them. You might want to increase the speed with which you move your hand a little bit, and always make sure to draw from your shoulder. Also, never correct a line, no matter how wrong it goes!

Orientations: you rotate your boxes well, but you can push this even further. Take this image as inspiration: https://imgur.com/Kqg6uMX .

Additionally, you don't have many boxes with extreme perspective, because your lines go parallel or diverge. I want you to focus more on extreme boxes where the sides meet at a more extreme angle.

Inner corners: you don't seem to have particular issues with the inner corner, which is great because that is a very challenging part of drawing these boxes. In case you were interested, however, you can take a look at this image for a good order in which to draw the sides of the boxes: https://imgur.com/a/DHlA3Jh

I also see that you use pencil to check your convergences. In draw a box you shouldn't use pencil, but since this is just to test the convergences, I think it is A-OK.

Next to that, you have only drawn 180 boxes. This means that you still need to draw 70. So make sure to do that, and then upload those images and put them in a comment reacting to me. I will look them over!

Great job on completing the challenge!

Extending lines: at the start they sometimes go into the wrong direction, which could be partially because the lack of hatching making it confusing which side faces you. But you fix this as you go on. Your later boxes all have extended lines that go in the right directions, and you hatch one side. Great!

Convergences: be careful that your lines always converge. They should not go away from each other like in box 236, or go parallel like in box 244. Try to put more preparation into the direction of your lines before you put them on the paper. Follow this tutorial for putting down dots : https://imgur.com/3zoQA65 . Ghost, put down a dot, ghost again, put down another dot… until you are confident the dot is in the right place. Then ghost the line, and then put it down confidently.

Hatching: as mentioned earlier, your first many boxes don't have hatching, but you put it on the latter ones. Although hatching is not required, it is very useful in understanding which side of your boxes facing you. I do notice that your hatching's line quality is not exactly at the same level as the sides of the boxes: lines are wobbly, or faint and arched. Make sure you give them just as much attention as the rest of the boxes: ghost each individually and draw them with focus and confidence.

Line weight: your line weight looks good. It is subtle and confident. Do note that you should not put line weight on the initial Y or the back corner. Line weight should only be on the silhouette of the box.

Confidence: your lines that are not hatching are confident and straight. Great job!

Orientations: you have varied the orientations and extreme/shallow perspective on your boxes well, but could push the orientations a little bit further still. Take this image as inspiration: https://imgur.com/Kqg6uMX

Inner corners: your inner corners are sometimes far off compared to the other lines. This is not too much of an issue, as the back corner is the least important, but one tip that may help is to change up the order in which you draw your boxes like this: https://imgur.com/a/DHlA3Jh . If you follow this order, the accuracy of your back corner will most likely improve a lot!

All in all, great job in completing this challenge. I will mark it as complete, but recommend you to incorporate more boxes into your warming up as you move on to later lessons, keeping this advice in mind.