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    4:02 AM, Friday April 24th 2020

    Hello! Grats on clearing up L1! Crits come in quite slowly these days, with people drawing and all. Nevertheless, here's my crit!

    On your lines, one thing that is worth mentioning is that your lines need confidence. This improves later on, but its still worth mentioning. In DaB, we focus on confidence over accuracy, even if this would make the line inaccurate, as we can work with an inaccurate line, but not a wobbly one. Unfortunately, due to the wobbling, there's nothing much more I can say in this section.

    Ellipses: All ellipses DaB should be drawn through twice ideally, and thrice maximum. In some of your ellipses, especially in the funnels section, are drawn through significantly more than twice. Do take note of this in the future. From what I can see, though, your ellipses are fairly well-shaped. This is excellent, as it shows that your ghosting here is done well. Great job! There's a few jagged edges here and there in your ellipses though, so do remember not to hesitate in your execution. Trust your muscle memory, and execute with confidence. I will say that a large majority of ellipses in the funnels exercise are fairly aligned to the minor axis well, so that deserves kudos.

    For the boxes, its important that you should only make 1 attempt on your lines. Even if the line should become inaccurate, treat it as though it were correct and move on. Trying to re-correct it would only serve to draw a viewer's attention to it, which you don't want. Again, your lines, especially in the earlier boxes exercise, are quite wobbly. Try to adjust for that. Your rotated boxes aren't really changing in terms of their vps significantly, making them rotate less. But otherwise, I think these are pretty decent. Organic perspective is also done pretty well imo. Here, I think your lines are at their best. Try to aim for these types of lines. Also, try to draw each box fully. You can use line weight to establish which box is in front of the other.

    Overall, I think you've done a pretty decent job here. Aside from your lines, you've more or less achieved the objectives that each exercise set out for you to achieve.

    Next Steps:

    Move on to the 250 box challenge, which you've already moved on to. In any case, good luck! Don't forget warmups!

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    3:44 AM, Friday April 24th 2020

    Hello! Crits come in quite slowly these days, so I hope you don't mind. Here's my crit!

    Before I start, I think its worth mentioning to try to take photos of individual pages at a time. This makes the critting process a little easier. In addition, try to ensure that the pages are in order. This, again, makes the process of critting a little easier.

    On your lines, I'd say they're okay. There is definitely evidence that you've ghosted them a decent amount, and executed with relative confidence. This is good. However, there is arcing and curving in your lines. This hints to me that you're mixing some pivots. In addition, especially in your ghosted lines, you're overshooting quite a bit. This tells me that your ghosting may be a little distracted. While accuracy is not a priority in DaB, its still of some importance. So do try to keep that in mind.

    Ellipse wise, I think they need a little bit of work. As with your lines, I find your ghosting here a little distracted. As a result, your ellipses aren't exactly true to the ghosting. This also results in some mishapen ellipses, especially in the funnels exercise. On that note, your ellipses aren't really aligned to the minor axis well. Try to adjust for that. And, you should try to draw through your ellipses twice, thrice maximum. Don't go overboard in this regard.

    For your boxes, I'd once again say they're okay. Rough perspective is fine. For the rotated boxes, you need to ensure that all faces, including the bottom ones, should converge at different points. This gives a proper idea of rotation as the vps move around the page. I recommend giving this guide a read: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/cqvxap/i_created_an_extra_rotated_boxes_guide_for_people/. Not a bad attempt, though. For your organic perspective, you need to draw more boxes. This will give the better illusion of depth. In addition, don't repeat your lines, even if they're incorrect. This only draws more attention to them. And, you're missing a page of the plotted perspective.

    While I think this is a decent attempt, and that you're more or less good to go for the next lesson, I want you to finish up your work first, meaning...

    Next Steps:

    Just provide your page of plotted perspective. That's about all I want before marking this as complete.

    When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
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    5:50 PM, Monday April 20th 2020

    Hi there! Crits come in a little slow, so here's mine!

    Before I begin critting, I do want to note the title on one your pages, the ghosted lines, "Scott Robinson How to Draw". From what I know, it wants to prioritise accuracy over a straight line. I know that many of DaB's exercises are derived from there, but the goals of DaB are slightly different. Similarly, where H2D asks for a single draw through of an ellipse, DaB asks for 2, maximum 3. I feel that in general, you may have either been heeding H2D or reusing pages from there when approaching this. Don't. Each resource serves its own purpose, and you should follow each resource as instructed, failing to do so would beat the point of the resource. That said, on with the crits.

    On your lines: They need quite a good deal more confidence. I think your ghosting may not have been confident, or you're not trusting your ghosting enough. Your lines are wobbly, and, while largely accurate, do not appear confident at all. You need to remember to ghost with confidence, and do so mindfully. I will say that there are some lines, particularly in the ghosted lines section, where I see confidence being put in, around the right side of the page. This is good. Continue to aim for this. Even if the line would become inaccurate, that's okay. A confident line can be worked with, a wobbly one cannot. A page of superimposed lines is also missing.

    With regards to your ellipses, once again, they need a large deal of confidence. Once again, rememeber that you should ghost the proper shape of an ellipse, and then execute with confidence, even if it should become inaccurate. In your funnels, some of your ellipses aren't drawn through, and, some aren't properly aligned to the minor axis. Do take note of this.

    I'll spit up the boxes section into its own individual section, as there's something to point out in each that I think is important to take note.

    Plotted perspective: You should remember that application of the hatching should be done mindfully, and with a ruler. In addition, you can add line weight to the silhouette of the box to clarify its shape, as seen here: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/14/step8

    Rough perspective: The important thing to note here is that, because this is one point perspective, the front and back faces should be parallel or perpendicular to the horizon line only. https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/6/vanishingpoints The diagram here shows what I mean. As you can see, the faces still remain their rectangular shape no matter their distance to the vanishing point. To do so, you can employ the technique shown here: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/15/step4. In doing this, you ensure that your lines are about correctly done before executing the stroke. Remember that you can place as many planning points as you wish- nothing is set in stone until you execute the stroke. Also note to keep the location of the vanishing point in mind when planning (so, for example, if the entire box is above the horizon line, then all the diagonals will point in a downward direction. Similarly, if the box lies somewhere on the horizon line, then depending on the corner, the diagonals can either go in an upwards or downwards direction, and so on). Also, you haven't drawn correction lines for all diagonals. Remember to do that for all the diagonals.

    Rotated boxes: The immediate thing that stands out to me on this one would be the fact that your boxes are not close to each other, frankly beating the point of the exercise all together https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/16/guessing, as seen here. It is okay to have the boxes overlap, its kind of a thing throughout this entire exercise, since the idea of this exercise is using adjacent vertices to estimate correct vanishing points. You also fail to draw through your boxes, like https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/16/notdrawingthrough. Some of your boxes aren't even complete. When I say have the boxes overlap, you can think of this first example: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/16/step4. Notice how part of the boxes overlap. This is perfectly fine, and is expected in this exercise, as it allows you to properly put 2 vertices close to each other, and allow you to estimate the vanishing point based off that. While I understand that it may be hard to tell the lines apart, you can use line weight to separate the lines into something more readable, https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/cqvxap/i_created_an_extra_rotated_boxes_guide_for_people/ This guide is really useful into easing you into the idea of rotation, so I'd recommend giving it a read.

    Organic perspective: Box construction aside, I think this one's okay. You can most definitely push for a greater change in size, to properly reinforce the idea that "bigger=closer". As with rotated boxes, you can (and I recommend) to have the boxes overlap, then use line weight to clarify which box is on top. Don't redo your lines, though, even if they're incorrect. Trying to fix it may bring more attention to it, making the mistake worse.

    Overall, I think you work needs quite a bit of work. I want you to re-read all the pages of lesson 1, and re-watch the videos if you can. Do so meticulously, don't skip anything, all the notes are important. I also want you to do some revisions.

    Next Steps:

    Once you've re-read through everything, I want you to do the following pages:

    • 1 page of superimposed lines

    • 1 page of ghosted planes and in it, the page of ellipses in planes

    • 1 page of table of ellipses

    • 1 page of rough perspective, noting to plan each and every single line. Remember that you can make as many planning points as necessary.

    • 1 page of rotated boxes. Again, remember to do your planning.

    Do remember the important rule: Confidence always has a higher priority than accuracy. Ghost as much as you need, and execute with confidence. Good luck.

    When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
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    5:02 PM, Monday April 20th 2020

    Hello! Sorry crits are coming in a little bit slow. Here's my crit! In the future, do try to arrange the exercises in order; it helps with critiquing.

    On your lines, I think they're doing okay. I appreciate the willingness to go for confidence above accuracy. Though, you do still have some arcing in your lines, especially in your planes. This hints at mixing pivots. I do like that you're messing around with the size of the planes, though. Keep on experimenting like that, I think its good!

    Ellipse wise, I think that you've improved in terms of confidence from the beginning of the ellipses to the last exercise. This is commendable, great work! Still, some of the ellipses are mishapen. The general rule to prevent this would be to ghost a little more mindfully. With regard to the wobbling, do remember to ghost and execute with full confidence of your muscles. Try not to rely too much on your sight, this can lead to faltering in your lines.

    For your boxes, a general note would be that you shouldn't try to correct your lines, even if they're incorrect. This would only serve to bring more attention to the mistake you made, worsening it. Overall, though, I think that these exercises are pretty well done. I will draw attention to your rough perspective, try to keep line quality in mind. There is quite a bit of slanted lines, and arcing lines here and there. And, in your organic perspective, try to introduce more overlapping boxes, such that you can use line weight to clarify said overlaps. Finally, the rotated boxes could be a little bit shorter. But, this one's pretty well done, so great job there!

    Next Steps:

    Move on to the 250 box challenge (which I see that you've already done). Good luck with future things!

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    4:39 PM, Monday April 20th 2020

    Hello! Sorry this comes in so late. Quite a few critiques, so they take a while to roll around. Nevertheless, here's mine.

    I will say as an overall note that I think you've done a fine job in general with regards to your work. Good line quality, and a general understanding of the lesson objectives. Well done!

    On your lines, I can only offer my kudos to you. I see nothing but confidence and straight lines, and with the bonus of pretty good accuracy. There is a teeny bit of arcing here and there, but that aside, you've done excellently.

    The main thing I'd like to note on your ellipses is that they're quite confident. And, to boot, they're pretty well-shapen. The only thing I have an issue with would be a little bit of accuracy issues, but that can be fixed with time. In addition, your funnels are very well aligned, so great work there!

    Your boxes are, too, pretty good. I do see some sacrificing of confidence in your boxes, so do watch out for that. This is especially the case for the rotated boxes. I see that the bottom left corner is a little messed up, but you seemed to have corrected that for the remaining corners, so good on you there. Also, in your organic perspective, the push for a bigger box doesn't seem to be very significant. Mind you, its still present, but a little less than ideal. Also do take note that you can use line weight to better clarify overlaps between the boxes.

    Next Steps:

    As I mentioned, this lesson was pretty well done. Give yourself a pat on the back, and, if you haven't already, move on to the 250 box challenge. Good luck!

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    6:54 AM, Tuesday April 14th 2020

    Hey! Grats on clearing lesson 1! Feedback on work is a little slow recently, hope you're not too bothered. Anyways, here's my crit!

    On your lines: They look mostly confident, so that's good. However, your ghosted planes seem not to follow this trait. I think you may have been too conscious of the accuracy at that point, so the confidence suffered a little. Remember that in all things DaB, we prioritise confidence over accuracy at all points. That said, some of your lines seem to arc a little. This tells me that you may be mixing pivots a little. Do try to ensure that the shoulder is the driving force of the motion, while keeping all wrist and elbow movement to near zero, or if not, zero. I find it helps to lock your elbow initially to get a good feel for the movement of the shoulder, then bending the elbow with the shoulder movement in mind. So yeah, don't get too caught up with accuracy, as that mostly comes with practice, and lots of it (yay for warmups)

    For your ellipses, the main thing, as with lines, is confidence. Also important is the shape of the ellipse. So, don't be too fearful to break the boundaries of the area where you draw the ellipses. Do also try to keep the ellipses to 2 draw-throughs. While 3 is okay, 2 is ideal. On some of your ellipses, especially the bigger ones, I find that their shape seems to be compromised. Do remember to ghost with confidence, and execute while following the ghosted motion. I find that this keeps distortions to a minimum.

    Your boxes seem to be mostly fine. Though I do see some wobbling, most likely due to the larger number of lines made, and that you may be focusing too much on accuracy. Otherwise, I think this section is mostly okay. I will mention not to cancel out your lines as much as possible. One thing to learn in DaB is that you should try to work with your mistakes, and do your best not to cancel, as this may result in more attention being drawn to it. I will say that your rotated boxes look pretty damn good. I think you got the idea down well in this exercise. In the future, you can use line weight to establish dominance in your boxes (for organic perspective and rotated boxes).

    Overall, I think you've done a pretty decent job here. I'll mark this done, and you can move on. Do remember to do these exercises as warmups, though!

    Next Steps:

    Move on to the 250 box challenge (if you haven't already). Good luck!

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    6:24 AM, Tuesday April 14th 2020

    Hey! Nice job on clearing lesson 1! Crits come in a little slow these days, I hope you've the patience to wait a little for crits to come. Nevertheless, here's mine!

    On your lines: Its good that I see confidence in your work. That tells me that you're doing a great deal of consciously not using your wrist actively. Of course, the lines aren't perfectly straight. So, this tells me that you might be mixing some pivots, resulting in some arcs and curves. If it helps, try to fully recgonise the movement of your shoulder by locking your elbow (initially) and getting a feel of what the shoulder movement looks like. Then, you may be able to recgonise any "deviant" movement. That said, accuracy is not too much of a concern for now, so its not world-ending if you can't reach point A to B exactly.

    Ellipse-wise, I can't really fully crit it. You're missing your pages of the table of ellipses, and as such I can't fully comment on it. From what I can see, however, the main thing is that you're drawing through your ellipses too many times. Remember that you should draw through your ellipses 2 times ideally, with 3 times being the absolute, absolute maximum. Some of your ellipses don't look too confident, so do remember to hold confidence above accuracy, as with the lines. Funnel wise, I think the ellipses are relatively aligned to the minor axis, so that's good!

    On your boxes: I think they're pretty good for the most part. You seem to have a good grasp on the idea of perspective. I will note that in general, line weight should be applied by a single superimposed ghosted line, rather than several. I actually really like your organic perspective. It shows a good grasp of the idea of how close=big. I also appreciate how the string can move in and out of the plane, I don't really see that too often in homework submissions. The one thing I'll note is that you should draw your boxes fully, then use line weight to establish dominance in the boxes.

    Overall, I think you've done a pretty decent job. I just want you to patch up a few things before moving on, namely...

    Next Steps:

    The 2 pages of table of ellipses. Clear them up, remembering to use confidence in your lines.

    When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
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    6:02 AM, Tuesday April 14th 2020

    Hello! Grats on clearing lesson 1! Unfortunately, crits come in kinda slow these few days. Nevertheless, I'm here to do some crits!

    In future lessons, when you can, try to compile all the images into a single imgur album. This helps in making crits much easier to do. You can add images onto the album manually after every image, or you can upload multiple images at once.

    The lines section is excellently done. I can see clear amounts of confidence when using your shoulder. There is little wobble, and the lines look good. Of course, there are some minor accuracy issues, but that improves with time. Well done!

    You're missing your pages on the table of ellipses, so unfortuantely I can't really say much on that. From what I can see, however, I do think that they're okay. On your funnels, not all the ellipses are aligned properly, so you might want to take note of that.

    On your boxes: I think you've generally gotten the idea down, aside from the rotated boxes (more on that later). I think that you've got a decent grasp on the idea of perspective, and some ideas on box construction, so that's good.

    For the rotated boxes: The main thing to note is that these boxes aren't full boxes, they're tapered off at some points, such that they can plausibly be "rotated" within a space. In addition, one of the goals of this exercise is to be able to make a "proper" box by making guesses off the original, adjacent box. Some of your boxes don't really follow this trend. I'd highly suggest giving this a read: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/cqvxap/i_created_an_extra_rotated_boxes_guide_for_people/. It goes over how to consider the way the boxes converge, and how they relate to each other. Do note that this idea of convergence also applies to the bottom surfaces of the boxes as well.

    That's mostly what I want to cover here. While I won't mark this as fully complete, I think you can use a little bit of follow ups to finish this up, before moving on.

    Next Steps:

    I want you to do the 2 pages of the table of ellipses, as detailed in the lesson homework. In addition, I want you to try out 2 more quadrants of the rotated boxes exercise (any 2 will do, they can be adjacent or opposite). Read through the guide, and try to make sense of the idea of a shifting vanishing point. Re-read the lesson if necessary. Good luck!

    When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
    12:52 PM, Tuesday March 31st 2020

    Alright, thanks!

    9:37 AM, Tuesday March 31st 2020

    Thanks for the crits! I'll bear them in mind.

    So if I'm understanding things correctly, I'll just re-post my old 250 boxes + 25 "new" ones in 14 days, submitting it officially?

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