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Feedback for your Lesson 1 homework.

Lines:

Excellent work - I can see your lines are strong and confident, especially in Ghosted Lines and Ghosted Planes. There is a lot of fraying at the ends of Superimposed Lines, but that's normal and will tighten up as you keep practicing ghosting and focusing on accuracy.

Ellipses:

The ellipse lines are less confident than the straight lines, but that's normal - ellipses are tricky to draw when you're starting out! Great work on keeping them mostly within boundaries in the Tables and the Ghosted Planes. Funnels also look fine. However, I've noticed that you drew over the ellipses 3-4 times, when the lesson encourages you to draw over at most twice. Not a problem - I did the same thing for the ellipses exercises. But in future, I recommend practicing drawing over ellipses only twice, because having fewer "do-overs" will compel you to develop confidence in drawing them. You can practice Tables of Ellipses as warmup before doing DaB homework.

Boxes:

Plotted Perspective is fine. Great work on Rough Perspective, I can see you plotted out the dots and drew the lines well.

Great effort on the Rotated Boxes. The boxes rotate a bit, but they can definitely rotate more extremely, especially the ones at the far edges, and some of them look like they've been translated along the axis. (Check out the Lesson Page for an illustration of how the boxes don't rotate.) Nevertheless - you did it, and IMHO this is the hardest exercise in Lesson 1! I noticed that you have "done over" some of the lines, presumably to correct mistakes. Don't do that in future, as DaB is about building confidence and letting any mistakes stand. You don't "do over" lines in your other exercises, so keep up that good work!

Finally, well done on Organic Perspective - the linework starts to wobble a bit here, but not a problem, as you'll be drawing plenty of boxes for the 250 Box challenge and will get lots of practice constructing boxes in 3D space.

Overall, congrats on finishing Lesson 1! Don't forget to use these Lesson 1 exercises as warmup before you do those boxes -- Tables of Ellipses and Ghosted Planes are good practice.

Yeah, that's fine, as long as the color doesn't make it really hard to see, like a really bright yellow, you can use whatever color you want.

it has been a while since you uploaded your homework, I'm gonna review your submission! hope this helps moving forward.

Arrows: I can see you have a mix of confident and wobbly lines, I could say you can make your first arrow line with confidence but trying to match the second one is where you find yourself doubting and this breaks the flow of your arrow through space. Another thing is that the hatching to convey the shadows of your arrows should be treated as any line you make as in applying the ghosting method and a confident smooth line. The foreshortening part could be a bit stronger as shown in here.

Organic forms:

All ellipses and lines need to be drawn confidently. In the case of the ellipses the need to be drawn through 2-3 times. (Preferably 2 times) and I can see you have very shaky ellipses, your sausages are overall good since you kept it to simple forms most of the time and your ellipses are touching the border plus they are changing to a degree too to convey how they behave in space. Sames as in the contour curve exercise, the form of your organic shapes is good but your contour curves are not confident, and going over them more times just makes them pop out more and breaks the illusion of 3d forms, here is an example this is something you can work on by practicing superimposed curve lines and some extra ellipses from the lesson I, it will get better with time.

Textures: You did a good job here, this is usually really hard so I gonna be cherry-picking some mistakes that I see but overall your texture analysis was good. Your paper textures had some issues but you kept it as it is supposed to be, cast shadows only, and treating any line like a shadow instead. In the treebark section, you could have gone for a more pronounced shadows ant the beginning to make a stronger transition as shown here, lastly, your carpet texture was on point, congrats, you made an excellent transition and use of cast shadows nothing to add here, I can tell by this point you were getting a pretty good grasp of it.

Dissections:

I can tell you try for the most part to stick to the cast shadows only approach but in some cases, you went back to the use of line to represent the texture like in the snake scales, it looks more like a flat scale more than a shadow cast into each other.

Furthermore, in some you did, and in others, you did not just remember wrapping the textures around the form JPG. Also, the silhouette is super useful to convey the texture, so it should not be ignored. Keep in mind that the silhouette is the only place where you can actually outline the forms, as it's necessary for breaking it. here.

Overall your dissections were good too, keep what I said in mind while you move forward.

Form Intersection:

Here you are missing one page of boxes intersectin each other, I will critique the ones you submitted.

You have a good sense of space, you made all your forms in a cohesive space and it looks like they share the same dimension on the page! I would have like to see you fill the page completely.

Now although your forms are good they look more like they are superimposed then actually intersecting each other, that's why there are points where you could not tell how they would merge with each other.

Since you complete this already I would suggest jumping into a 3d program like 3d paint to properly visualize how these shapes interact with each other in space.

Organic intersections:

These are probably the weakest part of your submission, looks to me that you rushed them to finally finish the lesson, you did a great job on your previews organic sausages keeping them simple and confident for the most part but here it looks like you were hasty. I gonna ask you to watch this video again and add an extra page of organic intersections keeping in mind:

-Shadows sticking to the forms. The shadows have to follow the form of the object they're being cast on, not the form of the object that casts it.

-Drawing non-stable forms. As in this example

Where there are floating or non supported sausages, that look like they're about to fall. All of them should be supported. A good thing to do is to think of them as if they're water balloons and try to think about how they would fall on top of the other forms, drawing their final positions.

Overall your lesson two feels very rushed. I think in the future you should slow down read the lessons in their entirety. It can be very frustrating to not understand a lesson or be able to successfully to execute. I myself really struggled with lesson two and ended up rusing through alot of it and had to redo here what it looked when I rushed then I went back read everything then watched the video. I looked at my own work and circle what I did that worked and what didn't while looking at submission that actually went well and got approved for the next lesson. I slowed down and it ended up like this which is much better it still needs work but it is a lot better then when I rushed. The key to learning and understanding this is going slow remember quality is secondary to speed. Speed will come with mileage.

Organic Arrows

Your arrows look flat. Some of your arrows don't overlap at all. Some arrows are generally just wobbly and widen and shorten completely arbitrarily. All of these mistakes compounded make the arrows look flat.

Organic Forms with Contour Lines

I assumed you used them for the Dissections

Some of your sausages are distorted. Remember, there's a list of things you should avoid in the homework explanation. These include:

Ends of different sizes

Roundedness on the ends that stretches farther than the size of a sphere

Midsections that swell or pinch

Texture Analysis

In my honest opinion I think the major issue here is not slowing down and observing the the cast shadows that the textures create. A good texture analysis almost exclusively focuses on these cast shadows and very little on forms. I highly recommend you rereading the lesson slow down and really observe the texture. Also try setting a timer for 15mins don't draw anything just look at the texture then repeat the timer and only draw notes about the texture and make an attempt to draw a smaller version of the texture a page seprate from your texture analysis page. Only after you have done this should you try to draw the texture analysis. I know that you completely capable of doing this make sure you take your time and really think. Its ok to fail as it is the most valuable experience for us to learn from don't fear it embrace it.

Dissections

Same advice as before The only difference is now the texture is on a 3d form. Try make your texture adhere to the 3d shape you have created.

Form Intersections

Your forms are pretty distorted. You are rushing through the boxes and other forms. Take it slow you're not in a race so don't feel pressured to finish the homework fast. Take your time and read the lesson fully.

Organic Intersections

Again, distorted forms. A lot of the shadows seem arbitrarily placed as well. I think the lack of 3d comes from the fact that you haven't made a 3d form as your contour lines are all the same degree which give a flat feeling. On top of this some of your forms are floating in space or are missing a cast shadow.

Looking at your lesson one I also noticed a some mistakes that need fixing too that are also to blame for you not understanding much of lesson two.

Hello, Brycelan8. Congrats on finishing a tough challenge while taking care of your new kid to boot!

Having looked at your boxes, I think you pretty much nailed the challenge. Your convergences are mostly correct (they converge away from the viewer) and your inner corners are also mostly within perspective. You draw a variety of orientations and experiment with forshortening. Your linework is fairly steady too, although there are a few wobbly lines here and there. Remember to ghost, use your shoulder, and aim for confidence. Something that might help too is to incorporate the "superimposed lines" exercise from Lesson 1 in your warmups before drawing.

You mentioned that some of your lines were way too parallel. I did notice some here or there but it's not as bad as you'd might think it'd be. While the boxes before the 200th one do tend to have shallower foreshortening, having more practice with these might actually be more beneficial since the later exercises involve drawing objects that are closer / human-sized. Like you said, the tricky part is to make sure that the lines are not parallel. Something that might help is to angle your page so that whichever "Y" line you are drawing off from is completely vertical. That way, when you plot your lines, you determine much easier if the line you're about to draw is too perpendicular.

Hope this helps!

Hello, Prehensile! Congrats for finishing a tough challenge.

Having looked at your boxes, I think you pretty much nailed the challenge. Your convergences are mostly correct (converge away from the viewer. Your inner corners are also mostly within perspective. You've also drawn boxes in a good variety of orientations. Your linework is alright as well, although like you mentioned there are a few wobbly ones. A few tricks would be to try "locking" your elbow and keeping your eye on the end dot (rather than your moving pen). And, of course, remember to go for confident lines above all else.

You mentioned that you had consistent issues where the two lines on either side of box would intersect. I looked through your boxes and I actually don't think it is a common problem with your boxes. For those tricky intersections, though, here are two tips that might help:

• If the intersection happens with the outer lines in a pair (those that define the edges of the box), it's a good sign that you may need to plan your foreshortening more carefully. When you plot your first plane (after drawing the "Y"), take note of how much foreshortening you wait. Generally speaking, the more the line "leans" towards the "Y", the more dramatic the foreshortening will be. If you do choose to have dramatic foreshortening, make sure the other line on the other side is proportional to the shortening you want to achieve, otherwise you'll end up with a box that's half dramatic and half shallow.

• If the intersection happens with an outer line and an inner line (e.g. red lines for Box 186), you may need to check your inner edge to see if the point you plotted aligns with the rest the convergences for your box. Of course, this also depends on how well you plotted the outer edge. It's tricky to get but I find that when plotting the outer edge, it is much easier to make a proportional box when I angle my paper so that whichever "Y" line I'm working off of at is completely vertical and then plan my outer converges around that.

Hello, 2391. Congrats on finishing a tough challenge! Here's some feedback:

Having looked at your boxes, I think you pretty much nailed the challenge. Your convergences are mostly correct (converge away from the viewer). Your inner corners are also mainly within perspective. You've also drawn boxes in a good variety of orientations and your linework is confident. There are a few hatches that are wobbly, but that can be fixed easily by remember to start your line on the dot (like the superimposed exercise from Lesson 1). Comparing your first and last boxes, it's clear that you have a good understanding how boxes sit in 3D space.

The only thing that I might suggest would be to try drawing boxes with orientations that have shallower forshortening. Not only does this increase your comfort with drawing objects that are human-sized or far away but it also prepares you for the lessons ahead where shallow forshortening is more relevant (since the objects being drawn are not overly large).

Super imposed lines

I see some minior fraying at the beginning remember when you are placing your lines make sure to slow down and place your pen in the same position. Overall these lines look good.

Ghosted lines

There is some minor arcing lines but other then that these are very good.

Ghosted planes

These look good to me. I still see some arcing so remember to slow down and pay attention to what it feels like when your lines or curving.

Table of Ellipses

Your Ellipses aren't overlapping good job. I am noticing that some of your circles are not smooth. Remember try to keep your arm speed constistant as slowing done or speeding up during your drawing process will mess with the smoothness

Funnels

Some of your funnels have circles that are all the same size and some aren't touching you seemed to have fixed later on but make sure to make them smaller as they go towards the center.

Ghosted planes with ellipses

Good these circles stay within the bounds. My suggestion to make the circles a bit smoother is to ghost them more times before placing them. For me personally when I did them I ghosted them about 10-20 times before I placed them down and that has been reduced to about 5 times as of today.

Rough perspective

These actucally pretty good for lesson one. I would say focus more on making confident lines in the future

Rotated boxes

This one is hard as well but you did a good job on it the only issue is they curve too fast but that should improve over time

Organic Perspective

This one is also a hard one to do at first but become much easier after you do the 250 boxes challege. remember that the perspective lines of each face should converge to a specific vanishing point. I think what really helped me was to draw two dots per line, one that represents the correct ghosted angle to the vp and another that is for the juction between lines that still adhear to this ghosted angle I mentioned before.

I think the biggest improvement area in your work is making more confident strokes without wobbles that go all the way through from point A to B. It already seems like you've improved on this since you began, with obvious improvement in your organic perspective exercise. I also thought your ability to rotate the shapes in your rotated boxes exercise was really impressive, though some of the lines could have been straighter or marked more confidently.

Hello, Rice0fTheSpooder. Congrats on finishing a tough challenge! Here's some feedback from me:

• Good on you for trying out a variety of different orientations - this will help you get more familiar with how 3D space works.

• There are some incorrect convergences / line extensions (although, fewer by the time you reach Box 250). Remember, lines in 3D space converge away from the viewer. This not only includes the plane that you hatched out but also the other planes that are "facing" you as well since the viewer's perspective mirrors yours. So, for example, in Box 174, your middle set of lines should be converging downwards as the plane that is facing the viewer is the top plane (and not the bottom one, which is behind the box).

• Some of the convergences on your longer / larger boxes (e.g. Box 136) are nearly parallel. This wouldn't happen in 3D space, so remember to make sure that your lines converge (it doesn't have to be super obvious but make it noticeable).

• Good attempt at linework, although some of your longer lines are wobbly. Remember to ghost, use your shoulder, and aim for confidence instead of accuracy.

Overall though, there's a clear improvement between your first and last set of boxes so I think you're getting the hang of 3D space.