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    10:15 PM, Friday March 24th 2023

    Awesome, it's completed now!

    Next Steps:

    On to the 250 boxes!

    Also, when you practice the frayed lines as one of your 5 min warmups, watch out for arcing lines. Try to almost reverse the arc to get it straight. It takes some practice, but you'll get it!

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    3:44 AM, Thursday March 23rd 2023

    I thought I marked it as complete after seeing the rest of your boxes, but am doing it again just in case!

    Next Steps:

    Lesson 2, check out the discord

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    3:43 AM, Thursday March 23rd 2023

    As far as I know, the discord is all just used as text threads (otherwise there would be a thousand people talking all at once). The one you want is "critique exchange." Also, you can post stuff in each lesson thread as you go and ask questions. (They have a thread for lesson 1, 2, etc, plus the different challenges.)

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    4:23 PM, Wednesday March 22nd 2023

    Well, before you worry about the inside, I do notice that the outside lines (the "vertical-ish" ones) diverge, rather than converge. The critical lines are the first two you tack on to your "y-shape." Their angle and length determine the rest of the box.

    I tried to explain here with some images (lines "a" and "b" in steps 2 and three are the most critical to understand): https://imgur.com/a/CP1JmaB

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    4:00 PM, Wednesday March 22nd 2023

    Hi, and congrats on getting through the first lesson!

    Lines: The frayed lines look like they should, fraying at only one end, and pretty confident. The ghosted lines look good as well. There's not that many lines or planes, but that's okay if you keep doing these things as warm ups.

    Ellipses: There are 2-3 passes, which is good, and they look pretty confident. Your accuracy and evenness will improve as you continue to do them in warmups.


    -Rough perspective: the lines look horizontal and perpendicular to the horizon, as they should, and you look to be aiming for the VP pretty well. There's some hesitance on the lines, but that will clear up with warmups and more boxes.
    -Rotated boxes: You're getting the idea here. Some of the box bases at the top and bottom are "floating" a bit away from the rest, but not super far. Also, the upper left, upper right, lower left, and lower right boxes are missing. (I fyou check the example, each quadrant should have 4 boxes, not counting the ones on the axes.)
    -Organic perspective: These are pretty good, with converging lines. Adding line weight cleanly will get easier with more practice. I did notice that you didn't allow any of the boxes to overlap. In later lessons, you'll work on allowing overlap to convey depth.

    Overall, good job!

    Next Steps:

    Add the last 4 boxes to the rotated boxes page, if you still have the paper.

    Add a few more boxes to the organic perspective page so that you have a few overlaps. Try to think about what is in front of what in the 3D space you are representing. Depth is hard to imagine, but it will slowly come.

    You'll get lots more practice in the 250 box challenge! Good luck!

    When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
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    10:06 PM, Tuesday March 21st 2023

    I think what might be happening here is that the sides of the box are very rectangular (rather than square).

    If you draw a box that has square ends, then if you turn the box so the ellipse faces you directly, you'll be looking at a circle inside of a square. As you turn that plane in space, the circle will turn into an ellipse. The minor axis will cut it in half as you expect. (Like you see here: https://www.carbodydesign.com/tutorial/13560/drawing-car-wheels-in-perspective/ )

    However, if you have a box with rectangular ends (like a cereal box or a book), you would have to draw an oval (not a circle) inside it to touch all the edges of the rectangle. As the plane of the box with an oval drawn on it turns in space, it doesn't obey the rules of a circle turning in space. There won't be a minor axis cutting it in half. I think that's what you have going on.

    It's hard to draw a perfect square in perspective, but I think the goal is to get close-ish here. Close enough that the ellipse is somewhat convincing. Maybe it's easier to start with the ellipses for a few, and draw the boxes around them until you get a feel for it?

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    7:44 PM, Tuesday March 21st 2023

    Hi again! All right, the rest look fabulous, and your plan sounds solid. Good luck with lesson 2!

    Also, if you haven't tried it, the drawabox discord channel has a critique exchange, where you do 5 critiques and then your submission is added to a spreadsheet that gets critiqued faster. (Sometimes lessons are critiques fast, and sometimes posts languish for a year without a critique.)

    Next Steps:

    Good luck with lesson 2!

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    4:21 AM, Tuesday March 21st 2023

    Yes, the 50% rule can be done digitally, or on paper, or carved into a mahogany table. Whatever you like!

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    8:05 PM, Monday March 20th 2023

    Nice work! I can only speak to the first 95 boxes, though. I'm assuming you probably completed this challenge, and imgur glitched, because I don't see the other 155.

    My first thought on opening this was "pretty linework" for both lines and hatching. Looks like you have a decent grasp on convergence. These are good.

    My second is that a lot of the boxes are fairly similar, with roughly the same starting "y" angles and line lengths. You can avoid this by using the y-generator tool. Getting a variety, and not just cubes, gives you a better experience. Long tube shaped boxes (something you might ship a sword in), flat, wide boxes (something that might fit a book), etc are good to try as well. Likewise, it's good to do some convergences that would end off page--most of yours have VP's that end at similar distances from the boxes.

    Next Steps:

    Please post the other 155 boxes. (You've probably done them, but I can't see them yet.)

    If you haven't done them, then when you do them, add variety to your y-angles, y line lengths, and amount of convergence.

    When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
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    6:15 PM, Monday March 20th 2023

    You made it through the monster challenge! Great work!

    Yes, there's a lot of improvement. Your line quality improved fairly quickly, as did your hatching. You also did a large variety of boxes. You clearly have developed a sense of how the convergences need to go.

    As a minor thing, I notice that in your ultra long boxes (in the 220's), the long lines have a bit of a bend. Way to jump outside your comfort zone! Adding line weight looked especially difficult. For warm ups, you may want to do some long frayed lines, or lines that go "point to point" over a comparable distance so you can make long, straight, confident lines.

    You'll also want to do ellipses and curved lines for warmups if you haven't recently, cause that becomes important in the next several lessons.

    Overall, great improvement and you are well on the path! Onward!

    Next Steps:

    On to lesson 2!

    For warmups, work on long, straight, confident lines. Also warm up with curved lines and ellipses if you haven't recently, since they'll be important for the next few lessons!

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