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    11:29 AM, Tuesday August 9th 2022

    Alright then, you still got to do at least one page of organic perspective, as I mentioned above, in order to complete your submission

    2:00 PM, Wednesday August 3rd 2022

    At the end i was actually going to say:

    Confidence >> Accuracy :D

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    10:35 PM, Tuesday August 2nd 2022

    Hey Raven, I will do my best to give you some advice!

    1. Lines:

    • Your superimposed lines look fine mostly, tho longer ones have a bit of wobble to them, so try to power through with your shoulder. Do not look at the line while drawing but focus on the point where you are aiming for

    • No fraying on the start of your lines and also very few fraying on the end, which is a good thing!

    • On some of the longer lines I can see some arcing, which tells us that you are probably using your elbow, but your shoulder falls a bit short. Try using your shoulder and don't rest your elbow on the table (you can rest it on the table to stabilize, but don't put your weight on it, so it can move as needed)

    • Your lines are also very accurate, but it's better to focus on smooth and straight lines, even if they are off, instead of being super accurate but drawing wobbly lines. It's not much wobbling, but I feel like you could sacrifice some accuracy in order to get them even more straight -> accuracy will come by itself as you draw more

    2. Ellipses:

    • It feels like you are stretching/distorting your ellipses to fit them in the boundaries you have set yourself. Try to ghost a perfect ellipse that can be symmetrically be cut in half that also hit's the boundaries and try make it as smooth as possible

    • Good job on doing 2-3 passes on your ellipses, that gives you room for course correction if you don't hit the boundaries on your first pass

    • Your ellipses do tend to fall short of your boundaries. Try not to be afraid to overshoot and actually cross your boundaries, you can still course correct on the second and third pass.

    • Overall you ellipses seem smooth and your degrees seem consistent through the table of ellipses exercise!

    • You can always fit some smaller ellipses of the same degree in the gaps between the greater ones, that is great exercise to practice big and small ellipses at the same time, while keeping the degree the same

    • The funnels exercise looks good. You did a good job dividing the funnels into halves and your ellipses get cut into halves, so good job on keeping them symmetrical! Your orientation of your ellipses follow the axis nicely

    3. Boxes:

    • Plotted perspective looks good, but make sure that you fully track down the perspective lines back to the horizon line, so you can actually see that they diverge there

    • Also putting some cross hatching on the biggest surface (or the surface that covers the edge at the back where the back planes meet) can help making your boxes read better. As you are drawing through your boxes this helps the viewer to understand better what's going on.

    • For the rough perspective you did a good job using the "correct line method" by tracing your original lines back to the horizon line to see where you went wrong

    • You actually were pretty accurate with your perspective on the rough perspective as well! Nicely done.

    • However, your lines in this exercise appear to be insanely straight. Did you do those with a ruler? In that case I would advise that you redo this exercise, as you should be doing those in free hand. If you did it free hand you really pulled it off nicely, the smoothest lines in rough perspective I've seen so far. It looks like you drew your boxes and added line weight by drawing over them with a ruler. Don't do that. If you apply line weight you want to ghost over your originally drawn lines (like in the superimposed lines but with ghosting)

    • Your rotated boxes have some boxes that are barely rotating. Try being more bolt and push your rotations way more (

    • You kept your edges close together, which is a good thing.

    • Overall you did quite well, as this exercise is really hard to wrap your head around

    • For the organic perspective you did not do the required amount of pages. You are meant to do 3 frames of organic perspective per page, but you did it across the whole page, so you need to do some more of those

    • Your boxes look fairly clean, but try varying with your size. Make near boxes really big and further away really small. Add some overlaps of boxes, to give the impression of depth and apply some line weight to the areas of the overlapping lines (not the whole line though)

    Overall your submission looks good, your lines are mostly confident and also very accurate. Try focusing more on Confidence instead of accuracy, this will come by itself with time and practice.

    You got to do some more pages, though.

    Apart from that you did a great job!

    Also: consider joining the discord, it's always better to share your experiences and talk to people instead of working in a vacuum :)

    Hope to hear from you in discord


    Next Steps:

    To complete lesson 1 please submit the following:

    • 1 page of rough perspective without a ruler (only redo this if you used a ruler before, but it's hard to believe you didn't)

    • at least 1 page of organic perspective as described in the exercise

    When finished, reply to this critique with your revisions.
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    9:37 PM, Tuesday August 2nd 2022

    Hey there, I will try my best to give you some advice on your submission.

    1. Lines:
    • Your lines appear to actually be really straight and also accurate, good job on those! Confidence always comes first, so it's nice to see that you already got your accuracy game down as well!

    • Theres no fraying at the start of your superimposed lines and also almost no arcing, which is great

    • Your plotted lines also look pretty smooth and confident, not really much to add here!

    1. Ellipses:
    • You should mostly do 2-3 passes on your ellipses, i see some where you only did one

    • Apart from that your ellipses also look really good and smooth

    • There is almost no falling short of your boundaries you are trying to hit and only a few overshootings, looking really good!

    • You are also keeping you degrees consistent in the table of ellipses exercise, which I like a lot

    • Overall you ellipses look great, but for the funnels, try to draw the arcing lines first and after that add the minor axis, so you can make sure you always hit the middle

    1. Boxes:
    • Plotted perspective looks great! You seem to understand the concept that is being taught here!

    • Rough perspective is looking good, although it's a tough exercise you nailed it. Only few wobbly lines here and there

    • You were pretty accurate with your perspective and did a good job on your line correction method to figure out where you went wrong

    • Rotated Boxes looks great, boxes appear to actually rotate and you kept your edges close together

    • Organic perspective looks flawless, only thing I would add is line weight to the parts of the lines where overlaps happen (not the whole line though)

    Overall there is only few to actually critique here, you did a great job completing lesson 1 and applying all the taught concepts!



    Next Steps:

    You are now free to move to lesson 2, after tackling the 250 Box Challenge!

    Have fun on your journey and I'd like to hear in discord from you! Sharing your experiences is far more enjoyable than working in a vacuum :)

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    9:18 PM, Tuesday August 2nd 2022

    Hey there, I saw that you haven't received any review of your submission, so I will do my best to give you some feedback.

    1. Lines
    • Your lines are smooth that is a good thing, always prioritizing confidence over accuracy is important :)

    • I notices some fraying on both ends of your lines. While fraying at the end of your lines is a normal thing to happen, you want to take your time and move your pencil to your starting point so that no fraying happens at the start of the line

    • It's also a good thing that you are plotting your lines correctly and don't have any real arcing going in your lines, good job!

    1. Ellipses
    • Your ellipses are falling a little short, good job on doing 2 to 3 laps, but maybe try to course correct your ellipses to the correct boundaries while doing so, don't be afraid to overshoot.

    • Your ellipses are smooth and the degrees you apply seem to be consistent.

    • For the funnels: try drawing the arcing lines first and after that put the minor axis in the middle, that way it's easier to hit the middle

    • It seems you like to experiment with the exercises, but please do the exercises as they are described and follow them to the word. The minor axis is meant to give orientation and should cut your ellipses in perfect halves, however you tried to do some different angled ellipses inside the funnels, what is not the point of the exercise

    1. Boxes
    • Good job drawing through your boxes!

    • Plotted perspective looks really good!

    • Rough perspective: Horizontal lines are meant to be parallel to the horizon line and vertical lines are meant to be perpendicular to the horizon line, i know you are trying to experiment, but please follow the instructions so you get most of these exercises

    • You are using the wrong line correction method, as you should not trace lines back to the vanishing point, but instead trace your original lines back to the horizon line, to see how far off you were. The way you did it, it's hard to tell where you went wrong

    • Rotated Boxes exercise looks really great, nothing to add here

    • Organic perspective looks good, only thing I would add is line weight to the overlapping areas of the lines (not the whole line, though)

    Overall you did a great job and showed good understanding of the concept that were being taught.

    However, I would highly recommend doing the exercises in fineliner on real paper, it's a different feel and is harder to get right. Working digitally gives you some auto-smoothing based on the software you are using, which makes your lines appear more straight than they might actually be. It's not about doing nice looking submissions, but to see mistakes and enhance your markmaking ability.

    Also I almost didn't see any wrong marks, therefore I am assuming that you undid some of them, making reviewing only your best marks almost pointless.

    You seem to have some advanced drawing skills, but you should be following the instructions nonetheless.



    Next Steps:

    You are free to move to the 250 Box Challenge and after that lesson 2, in case you did not already do those already.

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    8:18 PM, Tuesday August 2nd 2022

    Hey Mimbele, congratulations on completing lesson 1!

    I will do my best to give you some advice.

    1. Lines
    • Overall I can see some degree of wobble in your lines, remember that it is always most important to make smooth, straight and confident lines, even if it means that you miss the mark you were aiming for or that you overshoot or fall short. Use your elbow and shoulder and try not to look at the line while drawing, instead focus on the point where you want to end up and pull through with a confident stroke

    • You don't have a lot of arcing going on in your linework, good job!

    • There is a little bit of fraying on your superimposed lines. While that is a totally normal thing to occur on the end of the stroke, you don't want fraying on the start of your superimposed lines, so you might want to take a bit more time to come back to the starting point before doing another line, but it's not that big of a deal.

    1. Ellipses
    • Good job on doing 2-3 passes on your ellipse, they are pretty smooth

    • Also they fit really good in the boundaries you created, nice accuracy on those!

    • For the funnels, try doing the arcing lines first and after that draw the middle line in between them, some of your minor axis are a little bit off, the ellipses themselves look good tho! It's just hard to tell because your ellipses should be cut into equal halves by your minor axis, keep that in mind.

    • Good job on being consistent in your ellipses degrees in the table of ellipses exercise! Some overshooting here and there, but you managed to course correct on your second or third pass!

    1. Boxes
    • Do not redraw lines that went wrong, just pretend they were right and move on, you don't want to give a line multiple passes except when applying line weight, but even then you don't redraw a complete line, but only overlapping parts of the line.

    • I see you drew through your boxes, which is the correct thing to do, nice.

    • On the rough perspective excercise your lines appear wobbly, I'm not even sure if you ghosted and plotted your lines here, as they basically never overshoot and are very accurate, yet pretty wobbly. So remember: Accuracy

    Next Steps:

    You are now ready to tackle the 250 Box Challenge before moving to lesson 2!

    Good luck on your journey and I'd love to see you participate in some conversations on the discord! It's best to not work in isolation, rather share your experience with other people, at least that gives me some motivation ;)

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    11:17 PM, Monday July 25th 2022

    Hey Quat, congratulations on completing lesson 1!

    I will do my best to give you some advice.

    1. Lines

    2. Superimposed Lines

    First thing I notice is that your lines in general are very wobbly.

    I think you should focus on more straight lines, by doing faster and more confident strokes. It's normal to do wobbly lines if you are trying to be accurate, but at first you should focus on straight lines.

    You also have some fraying on the end of your lines, which is also normal thing. Yet you should not worry too much about this at the start, because confidence comes first. Straight lines that are fraying is still better than having wobbly lines.

    A good thing is that you are not fraying at the start of each line! Keep it up!

    Also there is no real arcing going in your lines, that's also a positive!

    3. Ghosted Lines

    Your lines seem to be fairly accurate, but you seem to be focusing too much on accuracy (hence wobbly lines)

    Confidence >> Accuracy

    4. Ellipses

    5. Tables of ellipses

    Good job of keeping your ellipses inside the bounds, very accurate, almost no overshooting. However they are a little bit deformed and should be drawn with confidence from your shoulder. Don't be afraid to make a smooth and fast ellipses, as you can still course correct on the second or third pass, unlike with lines

    6. Ghosted Plains

    Pretty much the same stuff as in the other excercises

    8. Funnels

    I'd recommend doing the arcs for the funnels first and after that place a line in the middle.

    Some of the ellipses have a slightly wrong degree and because the minor axis doesn't go along the middle of the arcs it's actually hard to tell if you got perfect ellipses going on, because they need to be cut in halve by the minor axis.

    8. Boxes

    9. Plotted Perspective

    It looks like you got a good grasp of the core concept of the exercise and followed the instructions correctly.
    Only thing I noticed is that some of your boxes have been drawn too much outside of the vanishing points, therefore seem to be a little warped. I guess you did this just to figure out how it would look, as you only did it in one frame and that's a good thing! Only advice I can give here is maybe give the outlines of the boxes a second pass so they appear a little bit thicker, so one can distinguish them better from the other linework! Good job!

    10. Rough Perspective

    Remember that all horizontal lines should be parallel to the horizon line and all vertical lines should be perpendicular to the horizon line. Some of your lines are a little wonky and drift off in the wrong direction, just keep this in mind when drawing objects in one point perspective that are being faced from the front.

    Another thing is that you confused some of your boxes in terms of which side is in front the other. Those can be hard to distinguish sometimes when drawing through your boxes (as demanded by drawabox, which you correctly kept doing).

    My advice is after completing a box, lean back and look at the front plane of the box, then at the edges that connect to this plane and then the planes that connect from those edges. Take some time and think about which plane faces the viewer and which is actually not visible in the back and then cross hatch one of those front planes (i recommend hatching the plane that covers the edge in the back, where some of the back-planes meet, most of the time this is also the biggest plane on your box)

    The only thing you did straight up wrong in this exercise is not plotting your drawn lines back to the horizon line. Instead you drew over your lines as they were to meet the vanishing point, but this way it makes it way harder to actually see which lines were actually off the vanishing point and which ones were correct. Keep this in mind as this is a common mistake:

    12. Rotated Boxes

    You did a good job at keeping the edges of the different boxes close to the adjacend ones!

    However some of your boxes, especially those in the corners seem to not be rotating enough, they need to rotate more drastically. Along the horizintal and vertical axis your boxes look better, still not rotating enough but you are closer to what is asked for. Check The first box in this example is rotating the right amount but the second should be rotated even more drastically, but actually follows the same vanishing point as the first box (which is wrong).

    The boxes in the four quadrants are the hardest one to do and you did a good attempt, however they should be rotated more and when drawing a box that has a horizontal and a vertical neighbour I would advice to try keeping the rotation of both boxes in both directions, so tilting horizontally and also tilting vertically at the same time.

    One extra effort could be to apply hatching to the spaces between the boxes, which makes the single boxes more visible, but that was optional, so it's all good!

    14. Organic Perspective

    You have a nice variance in your pathes that your boxes are following!

    Some of your boxes look a bit wonky as your lines that lead in the same direction should be at least parallel to each other or even better slighty converge towards a vanishing point. For me it looks like you actually did draw most parts of the boxes right, but instead of drawing the front planes of the box you only drew the back planes which should not be visible. This correlates with the confusion of the front and back planes when you hatched one plane on a box in the rough perspective exercise. So it might be better for you to draw through you boxes and then identify the front planes from there, until you get a hang of distinguishing those two parts of the boxes. As this is a fairly new concept and also a hard exercise to do, it's totally fine to not get everything right on the first try, as you will improve as you draw more boxes in the future.

    Another thing I noticed is that you tried to fix some of your lines. Part of this practice is to never correct a wrongly drawn line, as it should be visible where you made mistakes and learn from it, hiding those makes it harder to learn from. In future exercises do not correct your wrongly drawn lines, just pretend as they were correct and move on.

    Another thing that you could do to make it more clear which box overlaps which is by giving line weight to the parts of the lines where overlap happens. Do not redraw the whole line and don't do a wobbly draw over, instead you can do a ghosted line only along the overlapping part of the already drawn line, so it is clear to the eye which line is in front of the other.

    Also on the first page you could have varied more with the size of the boxes, meaning the boxes in the front being very large and further back being smaller, but you already improved upon that on the second page, so good job on noticing and improving on the go!

    A general note:

    Please consider using 0.5 Sized Fineliners for future exercises. It is actually required for lessons after lesson 1.

    Check lesson 0 on why this is important

    So all in all I can see a good understanding of the concepts of these exercises.

    The biggest takeaway I think will be to be more confident with your lines. Make your lines as smooth as possible with confident and fast movements from your shoulder and it's totally okay if they are not accurate. Accuracy will come by itself, but never be afraid to miss your mark or even overshoot. That is totally normal and your lines will become more accurate, but that is not a thing to focus on as long as your lines are coming out wobbly.

    Keep up the hard work and you will improve, I am sure of that!



    Next Steps:

    Next step would be to do the 250 Box Challenge, but you already seem to have done that. So next up is waiting for your 250 Box Challenge to be critiqued, or if you are feeling ready for it, moving on to lesson 2.

    Remember to always take the time needed to finish an exercise correctly and consider doing the 50% rule where you just freely draw for the sake of it, not doing studies or course-work (if you are not already doing that).

    Looking forward seeing more of your work on the discord!

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    11:09 PM, Monday July 11th 2022

    Thank you for this really extensive review :)

    I have to admit that I already started Drawabox in 2019 and got until textures in lesson 2 and then stopped entirely.

    I also completed the 250 Box challenge back in the day before doing lesson 2.

    I'm planning of uploading my 250 Boxes from the last time as I am currently redoing the lessons in their entirety, I'm not planning to redo the 250 Boxes, haha.

    Also thanks for the advice with the discord, though I have been fairly active ever since I joined the discord back in 2019 until now :P

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